Good god, I didn't expand the comments list on the #303 & #304 long enough to see the back 200 ...
... 200 ...
... questions and comments. So let's rectify that, shall we? Diving in where we left off ...
@Jo: Not sure why I care, but is the Mercedes Nate and Sophie pull up to Parker's in supposed to belong to Nate or Sophie?
Nate -- whoops, that's #303.
@Lisa: What was the process in choosing Scheherazade as the concert piece, and did it tie in at all with the end of the ep, when Nate convinces the President that his brother was plotting against him, in essence, taking a page from Scheherazade's book to save them all? Thanks!
I believe Downey chose the music first, and then added the grace notes about Scheherazade being the first grifter as he wrote. That plus the end really is ass-kicking theme juice.
@gwangung: Hm. I should mention that just hearing Gina say "Scheherazade" was a highlight of the night.
Gina has a magnificently filthy story about what happened when she recorded a series of radio advertisements for a newspaper in England. Pray you are lucky enough to hear it before you die.
@Anonymous: 1) The envelope Nate snatched for the Italian had what looked like the word "Elegy" in the upper corner in some shots. I know our baddie labeled things with musical terms, but is there any greater significance (assuming I'm reading that right)? 2) Nate has been fairly nurturing in the past with Hardison, in both Mile High Job and the Juror No. 6 job. Why the switch to tough love? 3) Any hints you would like to tease us with in the Sophie-centric episode? We got spoilers on Hardison's and Parker's and have seen things about Eliot's and Nate's, but not a single thing about Sophie's. 4) Are we going to learn what was in that envelope?
1.) No, just a notation what file/locker it belonged in. 2.) See Post #1. 3.) Sophie's past catches up with her in ep #312 on a con in London. You hear what may -- MAY -- be her real name. 4.) Oh you kids.
@tvgcomic: I wonder if Moto's Strad was the same one that was being smuggled in "The Mile High Job."
Delightful. Consider it canon.
@Anonymous: Are we supposed to take the ease with which Sophie set up the sniper's rifle in 304 as a clue to her background? I remember her making an offhand comment about 'stars and bars' in the Three Days of the Hunter Job, and it's had me thinking that she might have been an army brat. Getting colder? Warmer?
... as warm as good English cooking. Although personally I like to think Tara taught her that, back when they were ... oh look, next question!
@Lila: How did Nate know that Sophie was going to choose Scheherazade? He hypnotized Hardison before Sophie came in with the music. Did he arrange that with her beforehand, or does he just know her well enough to know she'd pick music about a great grifter? I think Sophie's "what did you learn in prison" bit indicates that she didn't know his plan, which makes Nate's manipulation even sneakier.
She played along with the music he gave her, but only figured out completely what he was up to at that moment. So yeah, he played her a little too.
@alikatkaniac: 1.) Who really played the solo? Was it Aldis or not? (2.) Parker seems to be very conflicting on her sexual/social balance. She strips her clothes off a few times in this and previous season, has no problem faking the kiss with Hardison, but then she seems kinda innocent in her sexting question and not being aware of her affects on men. Its to the point I don't know if she's a complete novice or a master seductress. So....which is it? lol (3.) Parker didn't seem happy about what Nate did to Hardison (hypnotizing). Eliot didn't find out. Sophie didn't seem to approve either. So would Eliot have approved and did Sophie? (4.) Both women - Beth and Gina - seem to look even more attractive this year than last. Is there something going on with the makeup or something? Cause if so, I need some! Or maybe its just the Portland water. Whatever it is, you need to bottle that shit. (5.) Christian Kane's drunk act pretending he was trying to get his jacket back was hysterical. I love his 'drunk hands'! You'd think he's had experience being drunk ;)~
1.) Answered above. 2.) "sexting" was a puzzle because Parker doesn't interact with many non-Leverage humans. I'd say her change in behaviour is based on her growing aware of and intrigued by her effects on Hardison. 3.) Eliot would not approve, but he might find it secretly annoying. 4.) It's this new spa in Portland, the Elizabeth Bathory Spa. 5.) Yeah, he's seen people drunk. On TV.
@Lee: As a Broncos fan, I have to ask - is it possible to get Nnamdi Asomugha some sort of permanent role enticing enough to get the man to quit football?
I think we'd write him anything he wanted. Any time. Sir.
@BenDryl: Also, what was the original plan in 3x04 to get out? The folder from the Italian was a last-minute add-on, right, and if they hadn't had the folder and Nate hadn't shown up, how were Eliot and Parker supposed to get out of the vault? Nate just bluffed his way out of the vault with the whole CIA thing, but Eliot and Parker wouldn't have been able to do that if Nate hadn't shown up, on account of not having the folder.
Right back out the hole above them. @ChelseaNH caught it.
@Anonymous: Question: I'm noticing more frequent use of the team roles (grifter and hitter especially) used overtly, like a character class. Hacker and thief are in common usage for that but the other three roles don't feel as natural in that context. Is it just my inexperience with pulp literature, or is this a case of writers room shorthand making its way into dialogue?
Nope, that's crime talk from research slipping in. Particularly grifter.
@Anonymous: I've heard you say repeatedly that Nate is an a**hole but I was wondering, (as you see the character) was he an a**hole before or after the death of his son?
An asshole, but a manageable one. Maggie is a hell of a mitigating circumstance.
There, THAT'S everyone, except for those asking for who recorded the solo, I'm having a hell of a time nailing that down now that we've moved on in post and I'm not in LA. I'll see what I can come up with in the next week or so. In the meantime, as always, thanks for your time and attention.
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hehe thanks for answering my question and you need to add trips to that 'spa' for the next con-con! Oh and fashion talks with Nadine!
I don't think I commented on the Double-Blind Job but I LOVED the Hardison/Jealous Parker and Pretzels conversation. You guys have the most original and adorable ways of 'awwww' moments with Parker and Hardison between the floaty dance and pretzels.
Thanks again. I hope finding another 200 comments doesn't make you regret your willingness to have fans post here rather than at the TNT forum :)
Yes, a bath in virgin blood is just what the overly-televised serial killer ordered...
I really enjoy the show, all the time!
I found the Scheherazade Job a little hard to swallow (with the whole hypnosis thing), and that ruined it for me. First episode I can say that about, though.
I have to agree with the poster that complained about Eliot being too perfect. It seems kind of weird that in one episode he's a great ball player, in another one he's a great singer...and then Hardison is a great violist...I mean, come on, it really has been too much of a stretch for me.
I guess I can more believe they are expert fighters, or thieves, or con men, than all those other things on top of it.
But, it's a nitpick...
I really just want to say thanks for taking the time to do this in a blog. It's really fascinating reading - yes, I am That Person who watches all the Behind the Scenes stuff on the DVDs first, too.
(In my defense, I am in my senior year of a film production degree and took an absolutely fascinating class on the history of entertainment television last term. So it'd be a real waste of tuition money if I wasn't utterly fascinated by the way things happen and how what we see on screen is shaped by real life problems.)
I also think the development of the character of Nate Ford is particularly interesting, given the way he was set up in the pilot episode and so much attention was given to the fact that he was a 'good guy' and the slow reveal of the fact that he really really isn't. (Heck, even from early on - the other guy we've met doing Nate's old job is STERLING. That has to tell you something right there.)
Anyway. Yes. Thank you again. :)
Thanks again John for this extra fan indulgence. You guys are knocking it out of the park this season!
@Suzanne, the way hypnosis was used in the episode is perfectly consistent with how hypnosis works in real life. I understand if you didn't like it, but it's still realistic.
Looks like hypnosis, like the Mile-High Job's black box, is another "real thing that no one believes."
(Heck, even from early on - the other guy we've met doing Nate's old job is STERLING. That has to tell you something right there.)
Um. So Maggie was the only thing standing in the way of Nate becoming like Sterling?
Hm. Hm.
You crack me up - woops! another 5 million posts! Thanks for taking the time as always!
A friend of mine is doing a blog series on Leverage as the Five Faces of Robin Hood, and I thought you might appreciate it?
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Um. So Maggie was the only thing standing in the way of Nate becoming like Sterling?
Hm. Hm.
I think it's probably more accurate to say that Nate *is* like Sterling (at least in terms of basic worldview) and Maggie is just quite effective at acting in an "angel on your shoulder" role in terms of toning down what Nate would actually consider reasonable to DO.
There may also be some element of Nate having 'conned' himself to some extent - who is the 'real' Nate, the loving husband and father he presumably was before we met him (since Maggie doesn't seem like she'd put up with him at his worst, they must've had a reasonable relationship) or the manipulative sociopathic mastermind? Was he playing a role when he was married? Is he playing one now? Does HE even know?
By contrast, Sterling is a much simpler character (for us as viewers, anyway) because we don't get huge amounts of information about his internal struggles - he comes across as fairly certain of who he is and who he wants to be and what he's prepared to do to get there. He may be a manipulative sociopathic mastermind, but he's okay with that!
(Mind you, anyone working on Leverage episodes, please feel free to give us more insight into Sterling. There is no bad when it comes to more Mark Shepperd screen time.) (Unless you're the one working out the budget, possibly. :) )
(Do I need to disclaim that I am obviously not a writer for the show, and so know nothing about the secret lives of any of the characters?)
I wanted to clarify that when I wrote my above comment, I hadn't yet seen the season 2 finale.
There's always that...and the fact that Nate, as a young man, was probably bound and determined to be as unlike his father as he could. That's someone Maggie could love.
On the other hand, they divorced. To a great extent, Nate HAD to have shown that he was an utter, cold manipulative bastard, and not just during the drinking. I can't see him NOT being a little manipulative during the marriage. (And, of course, he could have channeled that manipulativeness into being a parent...).
On the third hand...Maggie likes the man Nate is now. Nate may idealize her, but the viewer (and other characters) don't. She's enough of a realist not to harbor any illusions of "salvaging" him or to see "goodness" where it isn't. So, there has to be SOMETHING there.
On the fourth hand, our esteemed host keeps telling us...Nate Ford is NOT a nice man...
If you think about it, Nate really isn't that far off some of the people they've conned. He has his priorities about what's important and of value and what isn't, and darn the social norms and values that might be in the way.
I really love so much that they've created a character who you can poke at and pick apart like this. Not to mention one who is really not a very nice person in the way most people would consider it, and yet who manages to stay just this side of the audience rooting for him, most of the time. Fine line to walk, that.
(Though if they said "okay, you can only have back story and character information about one character, pick now!" I confess I would pick Eliot. I really want to know how he ended up doing what he does.)
@Suzanne: "I have to agree with the poster that complained about Eliot being too perfect. It seems kind of weird that in one episode he's a great ball player, in another one he's a great singer..."
But, um, Kane can do all of those things. He's quite real.
@Suzanne
except, in real life, Christian Kane is a professional singer, professional songwriter, professional actor and an extremely competent hand-to-hand fighter.
Aldis Hodge designs high-end wristwatches for fun, is an accomplished painter, professional actor and, of course, plays the violin in real life.
If the real guys can do that, it seems more than plausible that the heroes of LEVERAGE can do that and more.
.) Um, you don't like him as an asshole? I like him. The writers say he's based on me ... anyway, this is Nate the Thief.
I totally like the new Nate. And I guess that means I like you, too, you crazy asshole.
I will say, though, the Three Card Monte Job helped me get there. Wasn't sure where you were going with him this season, but with that ep, his arc became more clear, and I feel free to sit back and take in the character now.
I think we see Nate as Cora sees Jimmy - the guy who takes care of his friends but is probably considered a real, well, asshole to other people who don't know him or who know him/crossed him.
It also makes me appreciate what you guys have done with his characters. I mean really, I don't think you guys get enough credit there. The "leader guy/girl" on most shows is quite established in who he is and rarely evolves much, if any, over the life time of the show. Certainly does not become harder and more difficult.
Nate started out as a pile of drunken goo in crisis over who he was and has evolved quite a bit in a way that's challenging and tough and completely consistent with the backstory you took time to create.
Did you guys have this whole evolution to Nate the Thief mapped out for him from the get go? How far out does it go?
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