LEVERAGE #215 "The Maltese Falcon Job" Question Post
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Just one quick question, when Kadjic(?) was saying they were lucky because he was suppose to leave, but a few of the buyers wanted to see the merchandise, was that Sophie's doing as well?
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I did love when Parker hugged Sophie and Sophie was so shocked at Parker touching. I think it shows the growth Parker has made and how much she really missed Sophie.
Also, after watching one more time - I keep wondering if Nate's run to the apartment was a set up to flush out Sterling. He seemed frantic, he seemed semi-horrified when Sterling walked down the steps (more great TH acting!)but was it to get Sterling to tip his hand so he knew how to protect the team? Ater the visit he called Sophie and then called Hardison and told him the apartment was safe and they could come back. How did he know that the FBI didn't have someone watching? He also had the whole plan figured out to present to the team. I guess I want to believe that he one-upped Sterling.
I was one of the lucky souls that got an early download from Itunes [I didn't tell anyone] but it was all good since my DVR harddrive fried that night and it didn't record. See even God lovrs Leverage! My question is .who will visit Nate in jail since,technically the team is all still "wanted"?
Did you put in the Sophie scenes in the previous episodes just (or mainly) so that we do not get suspicious when Gina first appears in the grand finale? (an awesome scene by the way)
Is there any in-story reason why Jeri's character can disappear in this extremely cool send-off when she does? I know there is a story-*telling* reason, but ...
Rogers, after finally seeing the finale, I partially retract what I said in the 2/14 thread. You need some Majel. I anxiously await the summer.
Things being what they are, it might be fun if you had Jeri do a recap VO. She's got a great voice for it in her own right, and since I don't really expect Tara to be back immediately it would be a comforting foreshadowing for my expectation that she will be back eventually.
Is there any in-story reason why Jeri's character can disappear in this extremely cool send-off when she does?
Well, Tara knows that Sophie is riding to the rescue.
I'm still stuck on the destroying the evidence against Kadjic thing. The FBI never investigated Kadjic (as a favor to the mayor), so all the evidence against him came from Sterling, so none of it implicated the team.
Let's supppose the con went down according to plan and the team got away before the 5-0 pulled up. The only evidence against Kadjic would be catching him on the boat with the guns and the buyers. In order to achieve justice for Bonnano by bringing down Kadjic, that would have to be enough to convict him.
But the con falls apart, the feds arrive -- Kadjic is caught on the boat with the guns and the buyers. Basically the outcome that the team planned before, only now it's not enough and Sterling needs Nate to swing a conviction.
So there's that. The only reason to destroy the evidence against Kadjic is to make Sterling need Nate. Which means Nate knew he was going to give himself up. Which means Nate had to con the team into doing the thing that would make it possible for him to save them without letting them discover that he was going to sacrifice himself, and how did he pull that one off?
Here is one you may not be able to answer. It seems that lots of people know that Annie Croy (sp?) runs a badass criminal organization in London, which can credibly offer to purchase large amounts of weapons. I can think of at least three possibilities: (1) Sophie is impersonating the real Annie Croy and trading on her real reputation, (2) the Croy gang is a complete fiction based on false Internet documents planted by someone as clever as Hardison, or (3) Sophie is leading a double life, and actually running the Croy gang during her time off.
As a great fan of Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan stories, I would love for (3) to be true, but I don't know how plausible it is. Sophie is ruthless when necessary, but I can't see her ordering the number of real murders that a real Annie Croy would need to order, for one thing.
If (3) were true, it would be a big reveal sometime later, so you probably couldn't tell us...
An addition to the Leverage Drinking Game: whenever someone says, "Did Kane really DO that?" take two drinks. Never mind Eliot, I'm beginning to think Christian is Batman.
My gosh, I haven't talked about a show this much since Firefly went away.
Congrats to Tim and Gina and Aldis and The Show for all the nominations! Recognition is sweet.
AHHHHHHH, I don't care if it technically constitutes a cliffhanger or not, THAT STILL LEAVES ME HANGING! S...so cruel. Sob.
Gotta say, though, for all the cruelty here, that sure was a lot of lovely fanservice. I'm not usually a big Eliot fangirl, but even I appreciated that blatantly fanservicey Eliot-getting-his-growl-on bit. Also, Parker hanging Tara over the side of the building? Does it make me a terrible person for finding that totally hot? And of course, that Nate/Sophie kiss, that was really well done.
Now excuse me while I go SCREAM UNTIL NEXT SEASON OGOD.
Mostly I just want to let u know that Leverage fans know how much time and effort u & the rest of the "crew" put into this show year round. & knowing that, it makes us appreciate how hard it is four u to find the time to take care of the fans like this. So... 2 silly questions... Will all season 2 eps have commentaries & will they be by actors and well as the fine people behind the scenes? (I can't tell u how often I've listened to them.) & how much of the story arc to u have "mapped" out before the season starts filming? Thank u for the twittering too. Love being a "part" of the interaction between u guys and all the glimpses of Leverage's innards.
If you have gotten this far, you will go to the ends of the earth for your fans!
What an episode! In fact, the entirety of the second half of S2 was superbly done, although the absence of Sophie (Gina) was noticeable. That is what made her return in the finale that much better.
Now we're faced with four months of withdrawal until the S2 DVD's come out. That's definitely unfair!
Questions:
1) Now that we have Nate (Tim) and Sophie being honest with each other and their feelings, is this something that will have an effect on their working relationship?
2) Was the blue bag used to carry the FBI money to the ship the same one carrying the bomb in "Zanzibar Marketplace"? It looked quite familiar.
3) Will Nate be doing jail time? If my thoughts are correct, that would allow you to have S3's season opener with a ready made job already in place.
4) You have noted that "The Big Con" helps in planning the show and Apollo Robbins for his sleight of hand talents. What other useful books or people do you tap for their information?
OK, think that's it. Besides, you have to get to work on Season Three!
Two days late due to a Netflix glitch. Finally shelled out $1.99 to iTunes to get it. Totally. Fucking. Worth. It. You broke my heart, Rogers. You Goddamn broke my heart. In the best possible way. Bravo.
@Sammi323, while I do like the red map/blue map theory, I think it can also come down to a difference in phones. Hubby, the girls and I have one provider but four different phones, and who can get service where often varies from phone to phone.
Which makes me wonder, does the team pay for cell service, or does Hardison just jack it for them?
@Sammi323, while I do like the red map/blue map theory, I think it can also come down to a difference in phone
Given that different companies often operate on different frequencies, it's not just arm waving.
Normally, I'd bet Hardison would select a brand of phone that would work better on the ship, but given the circumstances, I don't think he could be choosers...
Awesome, Rogers, truly awesome. One of the best Leverage eps, and it's a very strong bunch.
My only question is this: There seemed to be echoes of two of my other favorite shows, namely The Wire (crime and political corruption in the ports, specifically in season 2 of that show) and Buffy (self-sacrifice, whole team splits up.) Conscious homage or selection bias on my part?
The con started to come unglued from the point when H saw Tara meeting/talking to arms dealer (on camera). H tries to contact Parker. H couldn't get through to Parker to "warn" her about Tara (both P and T are on a rooftop) - Parker apologies about bad reception or something to H when she finally receives H's message. But more importantly H was central in the con that went from bad to worse?;) 1. H goes out of the container to get the call through to Parker... 2. H leaves the voice activated (?) cell phone right in front of the Mayor...Mayor screams warning to Kadjic... 3. H is NEVER seen COMING BACK to the the container to check on the Mayor...Mayor escapes on deck, really funny scene here btw! 4. H, after that Parker call, is next seen standing INSIDE the ship with a huge tool in his hand!LOL H has already wrecked the electronic circuitry to prevent the cargo ship from leaving... 5. H is idly walking in the aisle, E runs by towards the ladder leading up... 6. H uses an accent on E (a tip-off?), and Eliot moves towards H, in time to disarm "no 1" who was hiding between both of them behind the wall... 7. Eliot asks H where's Nate? Why? Was H disabling the ship AND getting off with Nate the original plan?... 8. When Nate said "Make the call" to E, was it for H to come and disable the ship?..But then again, it was the Mayor's call that tipped off Kadjic. If that didn't happen, Kadjic said they were only leaving that night... 9. OR did H leave the Mayor on his own accord, and go on board because of what he suspected of Tara's deal with Kadjic?... 10. The deal being strictly with Sterling, was Eliot making the call to Sterling?... 11. But at which point did H *know* that E & N were in trouble and Kadjic was going to start moving off in order to dispose of E and Nate?... 12. On another topic, in the Bean Town Bailout, Sophie said she'd "be" the Ice Queen. That turned out to be Ms C... 13. Was H supposed to have just baby sat the captive Mayor AND connected Eliot's call to Sterling for the original plan to be a success? Did Hardison's panic on warning/connecting to Parker about Tara, make Eliot's call not get through at that crucial time? Congrats on the nominations - Best TV Series should be yours!
Secondly, could you please tell Aldis Hodge he is full of devilish, sexy YUM and the next time he suits to play a rope-happy enforcer to have TNT warn us so I don't swoon halfway through? Thank you.
Third, how did the fire planted in the evidence box spread? Are those things not fireproof? Just wondering.
A lot of people are crying foul on Elliot's phone not working, but Kadjic's working: personally, if I own a freighter and am on it a lot, I might pay for one of those fancy contraptions that boost signal for me. Which Elliot would not have.
This was a great episode. I join the hordes of people crying out, "When is it gonna be on DVD??" and "Oh God, when does Season 3 start??"
also liked that even Sterling says "You're adorable" It's used the same way as Southerners say "Bless your heart" with a mental shake of the head and pat on the clueless person's head.
And Parker actually hugging Sophie and S's incredulous "She's touching now?"
Watched the finale about a million times. I will totally be in withdrawal between now and summer. PLEASE let the new eps start in June. PLEASE PLEASE.
Even Sterling showed a lot of interesting things instead of just being a dick. He must be very much like Nate pre-Sam's death. He's competitive, loves the chase, not afraid the bend the rules a little but still with a very black and white view of right and wrong.
I'm wondering if maybe his world view might be challenged by the ending? He so thought he knew Nate and that Nate was a "good" guy and an "honest" guy who just needed to be set on the right path. Will it be hard for him to reconcile the fact that someone he viewed as being good is also a thief?
I rewatched the first season and the last five episodes again, they're even better when watched back to back, but I noticed something.
I miss small character traits like Nate's hats and Eliot emptying guns. For example in the final Eliot disarmed the men but didn't empty the guns. I think the last time we see him do it is in 'The Lost Heir Job'.
Will they return for season 3 or is it established and will not be shown again? They are minor details if course but I enjoyed them.
But at which point did H *know* that E & N were in trouble and Kadjic was going to start moving off in order to dispose of E and Nate?
If Hardison never got the update that Tara hadn't sold them out to Kadjic, he would believe that Nate and Eliot needed help. Even if he didn't, I can see how disabling the ship would have been part of the plan all along, just to be safe.
wv: niftswit - person who buys all those Ronco-type gadgets from TV commercials
I was travelling last week and just finally got the chance to rewatch the finale and make my notes (cant do it at the time of orignal airing! too distracting)
and by now, most of my comments have already been posted.
LOVED 1) The look on Eliot's face when Nate says 'Sterling'
2) Eliot loyalty - The fact that Eliot followed orders when he had said earlier that he was going to do his job – Get his back all the way down…. And then couldn’t. That slight head shake at the end when he walks Parker and Hardison off
3) Loved the staging of Nate on the stairs instead of in front of the team and the use all Nate's money. He already knew HIS plan
4) All things Nate-Sophie!
There was enough of the humor and the witty dialogue I love in here to keep the feel of the show. (Eliot's look when telling about Tara being naked, Parker & Hardison with the porn, geek spiral, Hardison's poor rappeling, Con version of a stairmaster) Thank you for that too!
Questions:
1) When Nate tells Parker and Eliot to meet him outside, Eliot is wearing the leather jacket instead of the sweatshirt- Did he buy both at the hotel?
2) Does everyone keep an entire wardrobe at Nate's?
3) Does Nate already have a plan to get out of this - or in his mind, is he through?
U was traveling last week and just finally got the chance to rewatch the finale and make my notes (cant do it at the time of orignal airing! too distracting)
and by now, most of my comments have already been posted and my questions already asked.
LOVED 1) The look on Eliot's face when Nate says 'Sterling'
2) Eliot loyalty - The fact that Eliot followed orders when he had said earlier that he was going to do his job – Get his back all the way down…. And then couldn’t. That slight head shake at the end when he walks Parker and Hardison off
3) Loved the staging of Nate on the stairs instead of in front of the team and the use all Nate's money. He already knew HIS plan
4) All things Nate-Sophie!
There was enough of the humor and the witty dialogue I love in here to keep the feel of the show. (Eliot's look when telling about Tara being naked, Parker & Hardison with the porn, geek spiral, Hardison's poor rappeling, Con version of a stairmaster) Thank you for that too!
Questions:
1) When Nate tells Parker and Eliot to meet him outside, Eliot is wearing the leather jacket instead of the sweatshirt- Did he buy both at the hotel?
2) Does everyone keep an entire wardrobe at Nate's?
3) Does Nate already have a plan to get out of this - or in his mind, is he through?
I appreciate that you'd give time for the verbal exchange Eliot had "making" the keys. Christian was so good reining in his impatience with the guy's "testing" queries! I cracked up at: Who carries our ID in the gym bro? (smile!).. The stolen name Ogden? Ogden is in the Marvel comics, She-Hulk has an enemy called Ogden? But I'm wondering if Christian "takes care" of tiny matters such as his fake names and numbers during a scene/con? Also being particular and not random about it! Why do I ask? LOL Crazy but true, there is a Mr & Mrs Ogden Shields (assoc with St Louis Villa Duchesne), connected with an Annual Fleur-De-Lis Charity Ball to raise funds. Christian has his reasons for wearing the FDL bracelets. Pleasant coincidence? Keep up all your great work! Just know the S3 opener is gonna be very special/explosive too..when is it again?:)
Unrelated to this episode, just a question for season 3: Can you please cast Enver Gjokaj in an episode? Please? Maybe if Alt!Leverage needs a grifter?
kudos to the whole team, that was just awesome. Great Job....
in fact that there are aready 239 posts so far, i try to keep it short... Q#1 who was on the phone with Tara? (nice she talked german btw) Q#2 did Hardison get out of this 'rope mess' by himself? ( ...or did Aldis?) Q#3 do we get to know for what Tara owed Sofie?
and with that, I official apologize to Tara for not trusting her, I really thought she would flip on the team, at one point or another.SORRY.
'don't even look at the door'..i try so hard not think about the door, in every single ep. and you let the FBI right walk through it, THANK YOU !!!
...if our team has to change the city for some reason, one day, i would like to move into Nate's apartment. I love that place.
Excellent work on the finale, which is par for the course here. Kudos to you, Mr. Monkey, and your crew. Two questions:
1) Was the Usual Suspects vibe here only in my head? Because Nate looked very Dean Keaton-ish there. 2) If the idea of a European super-team is out there, might I suggest David Tennant as the equivalent of either Nate or Hardison?
The finale was perfect. Seriously. :) I only have one question (well, maybe two or three): what's with Nate's turtleneck? We've only seen him wear it once before (The Nigerian Job). Was it supposed to be a huge character arc (like: look where he started and what he's become)? Or am I reading WAY too far into this? Like everyone else has already said numerous times, kudos to EVERYONE! Thanks and I can't wait for S2 on DVD!! :D
I both love and hate Nate's ending: on one hand, he's not longer claiming to be morally superior to the rest of the team because he's not a thief, but he's still acting like he's superior by making crucial decisions without them. Since he is not, actually, fandom jokes aside, their father, this is Not Cool.
(I thought that the evidence they were destroying in the FBI was the stuff against _them_, that he'd told them Sterling's offer and how he was going to foil them, and I was so pleased. Hah! I should have realized that it was too good to be true.)
Love all the great moments the team gets, love the elevator sequence (very funny), and love Sophie to the rescue.
Wow, leave us alone long enough and we will post for weeks.
Rewatching season 1 (duh) and the 12-Step Job. Just saw the scene where Hurley and Nate have to get out of the rehab center and Nate wants Parker to help, but she won't. She remarks, when Nate puts his hands on her shoulders, that Nate rarely touches any of them because of "...the hole in your heart, Tom. It doesn't allow you to get close to people." I thought it was a great line, even if intended as a throw-away joke. It was very revealing (especially from Parker).
Stupid detail, sure, but it held pretty true through season 2 -- the others seem much more physically comfortable with each other (even Eliot). None of them are super touchy-feely, which completely suits them, but the body language among the others seems to have shifted over time. Was that on purpose? And will it change in season 3?
Wow. Lotso comments. I didn't love absolutely everything. Parker and Tara doing the Hyundai placement. But that was okay. Baby needs shoes. (I used to say that at a job I work, but people would always ask how old my kid was. I don't have one so I started saying, Puppy needs kibble. Now they look confused.)
I liked the Sophie re-intro, but I don't buy her and Nate as a couple. I'm over the UST. Lets move on. Tim Hutton and Kari Matchett have ooodles of chemistry.
I am in love with Eliot. I used to just lust after him, now I want his parents to adopt me so he can be MY big brother.
I don't know how you make it look so good on your budget, but keep it up!
US law enforcement agencies use sting operations to target any entry point that is being...and false or marked money may be laid as bait to catch the offender.
LOL You guys REALLY know your stuff!! But of course, that's why you have such a good show. I can't believe the things you make me interested to read up on (just a little more!)..Mr Kane does the same thing sometimes with the tweets..but its all good!
Questions:
1.Because Nate has "handed over" the 250 thousand (FBI marked bribe money?) to Kadjic now, will that lead directly back to the crooked deal the FBI & Mayor Culpepper had going? 2.Will Agent Nevins (bad operations/deal) be handed to Sterling as a big case win?
BTW was thrilled that Sterling asked exactly the same questions regarding Nate's "escape" with the money AND IN Agent Nevins official car too! She had her "reasons" for letting it go!
I'm now hoping for "The Casablanca Job" where Nate and Sterling walk off at the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Only please, do not put Sophie on the plane!
The more i rewatch the episodes of Leverage, the more the actors you have amaze! TH is perfect for the role as the "troubled leader" .. The beauty is he is at odds (with himself & what he's doing!), then he is not, at the most erm, unexpected times! But one thing Nate never is, is "greedy" - which is what Sterling is, at the best of times! The team members are left bewildered by Nate, but they're so protective/loyal to him now. Sterling can expect to have nothing less than a rocky/dangerous "relationship" with Nate for many, many reasons - one of them being Nate has a "family" to protect. LOL Sterling is like the prickly bush (?) that keeps getting in his way?
All this weekend I kept seeing promos on non-TNT networks for Leverage promising new episodes Wednesdays at 10 pm, and it made me sad. I don't need to be sad on my weekends. Couldn't you just make new episodes all year 'round? I'm pretty sure all the sunshine in California interacts with melatonin to make sleep mostly unnecessary.
You know, the show just did half a season without Sophie; maybe now it's going to do half a season without Nate.
Naaaah.
Anyways, I finally got to watch the finale last night (been waiting to get the whole family together), and it was wonderful. This season's ending has got my imagination going and my gears working. How will they solve Nate's immediate problem? Will we see the solution from Nate's POV or the team's? Is the team going to move to a new city every season? And will all cities be Portland?
There are even more questions I could list. Unfortunately, none of them can be answered yet.
Pretty much the most heart-wrenching episode EVAR. Agh. I am in agony. I teared up for the last five minutes of the show...what the HELL is going to happen NEXT?!
Congrats on the gloriously fabulous season, I cannot wait to see season 3 this summer. The writing team, the crew, the cast, everybody did an amazing job and I am so ecstatic for you guys - 2 great seasons of television!! We want more!!!
Question:
Does anyone on set ever pull pranks while the film is rolling? Examples?
“I actually hurt people…” Eliot (1×02)- when all the others are denying that they hurt people in their line.
I think when Eliot "confesses" out aloud that (obvious?) description of what he does - its like he's saying he actually *trained* for it, sooo.. Eliot's a professional and knows what/how to "actually hurt people" & do minimum/maximum "damage" as when appropriate. Hey it's STILL the fun train in Leverage going strong. I don't think Hardison can/would have ANY "lethal weapon" type characteristic in him. LOL the actor is "huge" & hard to miss though! Anyway Aldis character, Hardison's background, never suggests he had to use any major force on a human being to get to where he wanted to go or needed all his life! Hardison's "past" consisted of wearing braces AND being fostered by erm, "Nana?" Awesome! Machines are H's friends. BTW is it so "easy" to do "damage" or act aggressive/assume killer poses overnight in extracting information during cons? Where's all the "anger" suddenly coming from to pretend that? Woh and Parker holding Tara by the neck? :) Drama yes! But did Parker EVER had to something remotely like that (anytime in her thieving life!) to getaway/ her way or escape being caught? IMHO - ONLY Nate/TH is VERY, VERY CONVINCING (insert applause!) that he would have "bashed" in Culpepper's head with what he had in The Three Strikes Job;) I would believe that Nate could "play" on his rage, anytime - The man inside had stopped caring, and he hurts, a lot!! Of course the MAIN MAN to do "realistic damage" (and look awesome doing it!) is always going to be Mr Kane's Eliot Spencer, cause that's what he does.
Whoa. You don't buy Parker's violence? She's scarier than Eliot, man. Eliot has a moral code about when and where he'll hurt people. Parker, NSM. Parker zapped that cop when Eliot wouldn't, and she pumped the tazer for fun.
Hardison--I'm not sure how much sleep he'd have lost if Sterling had gotten caught in one of his explosions. I think you've candy-coated the team.
I ask after reading that Toyota execs boasted of saving about $100 million after finagling a limited recall of floormats instead of admitting there was a real problem. My first thought was, "These people clearly didn't see 'Top Hat Job.'"
Maybe Leverage should be required watching for *all* corporate heads …
@ita and Puspa, also let's not forget that if these people had, eh, a "normal" moral code, they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.
ita, I'm with you. Parker is seriously scary, simply because she seems to lack completely Eliot's sense of context and restraint. Eliot uses violence as a tool; Parker actually seems to get off on it.
Puspa asked about Hardison, Where's all the "anger" suddenly coming from to pretend that?
Sterling was trying to bring their world down again. I'd think Hardison could easily summon up a world of anger, with no pretense whatsoever.
“I actually hurt people…” Eliot (1×02)- when all the others are denying that they hurt people in their line.
Based on the above and Packer being "different" also add in Nate "knowing" Parker is insane. Parker *does* say AND do the most inappropriate things. But "insane" as in not giving people a WWE like choke hold & actually COMMITTING the crime of,oh murder, perhaps? So, maybe I'm totally wrong in assuming Nate is (innocently?) saddled with a bunch of hard-core would-be/could-be "hitters" and people with "muscle" - when Nate actually thought he had only one Specialist on the team who knows what he's doing.
Whoa. You don't buy Parker's violence? She's scarier than Eliot, man. Ita said...
Well, *if* I am going to think that of Parker - past her trying to touch an explosive Sophie's holding, gleefully tazering a fallen cop & the crook(BTBJ), stabbing with a fork! - Every one of those "awkward" Parker response moments had the team, Eliot or Nate to witness it. Nate: No, stabbing Parker.. So Tara wasn't guilty that time. But panic stricken Hardison (most probably?) tells Parker that Tara's a threat? Did Hardison (like me?;D) didn't think that Parker would/could get physically violent & (threaten?) capable of throwing Tara off the roof..and live with the consequences of her action(s)? Funnily (or not) Tara went up against a Triad member & did a little head-butting. I was curious if Tara was "Ex" some agency (agent/spy) or something. What was Tara's background for fighting like that? - Why couldn't Tara just be a gifted grifter like Sophie, with dashes of PaRker's "violent" tendencies? Actually, if Parker is seriously a tough, hothead, that to me personally is different. But Parker is said to have a mild "personality disorder" and not a people person? Parker's reading of "other" people (outside the team) is erm, skewed to began with.. that's "different" too.
So, I've finally caught up on Leverage, with the final two-part season episodes this morning.
At the beginning of the second season of Millennium, they had the motto, "This Is Who We Are."
Invisibly, the end of the final part of Leverage had, "This Is Why We Write."
The way everything tied together and all the touches -- Parker's strength, the appearance of Sophie, Elliot's countdown, his handcuffs, Sophie's slap, Nate's AA-like declaration -- my god, Rogers, you must had had a writer's orgasm doing that!
Did Hardison (like me?;D) didn't think that Parker would/could get physically violent & (threaten?) capable of throwing Tara off the roof..and live with the consequences of her action(s)?
I doubt that's what Hardison was thinking about. As far as he knew, Tara had sold out the team. He didn't want Parker caught in the trap -- that was his panic. He wasn't thinking about Parker's reaction other than her escaping.
Actually, if Parker is seriously a tough, hothead, that to me personally is different.
Parker has impulse control problems but she doesn't lose her temper, so "hothead" isn't the word I'd use. She's colder than that.
Parker isn't a serious tough. She has trouble with empathy for other adults (she obviously has it for children). It's not just that she misses social cues -- she really doesn't always clue in that other people feel things, and she's pretty aware that when they DO feel things, it isn't necessarily the same thing SHE feels.
And she has no problem threatening people -- remember Eliot and the razor blade in the apple in Juror 6? I imagine there are other instances I'm not recalling right now.
Now, in the Parker arc, she's accepted the group as her family, worthy of her loyalty, deserving her best efforts. They take care of her, watch out for her, share her life. She certainly trusts them implicitly.
And Hardison informed her that Tara was a threat to that family. She doesn't need to be a big hitter, a trained killer, or to even have killed anyone before. She sees a serious threat, she goes to her angry place (remember the pilot when she shows up with a gun at the warehouse? Would she come with a gun if she wasn't prepared to shoot it? Hardison, yes, because it made him look tough, but Parker? Parker doesn't DO things because of what other people think) and she goes after Tara.
Tara doesn't expect it, and she's not really cognizant of Parker being a threat, plus she is committed to protecting the team for Sophie. She has reason to try to negotiate with Parker even while backed over the edge of a building.
We've seen Parker fight when she's protecting someone, and she's dangerous. Again, she doesn't have to be Eliot for her to react with force. She's proven that already. In fact, if she HAD been Eliot powered yet with her particular problems, Tara would never had had time to explain anything. Tara would have died within 5 seconds of Hardison's warning, her neck snapped or her chest caved in or several organs ruptured. Off the building is actually a fairly Parker way to do it, given her affinity for heights and falling and her LACK OF KILLING skills. She can fight, but she's not big on killing. (I don't buy the "not hurting people" -- Parker does not have the best capacity for determining that.)
Your turn :D
May 25th. I'm waiting for the preorder button to show up.
I don't know about Puspa, but I sure like the way you explained that. To me, there's always been two factors operating when it came to Parker and violence.
One, violence is a part of the status quo. That is, she doesn't recognize the difference between a situation where violence is an appropriate response, and where it is not (unlike Eliot). To her, violence is always an acceptable response - just not usually the optimal one, considering she has other strengths, such as jumping off stuff. Probably because those boundaries that most people draw around the use of violence were broken comprehensively for her very early on. People usually get nervous when they discover they're in a situation where violence is an element, but she does not. That's normal for her.
Two, as you say, she's low on "emotional intelligence". Someone in pain doesn't register with her as real, most of the time. Her enjoyment of pain being inflicted is part of that; it's fun, in the same way as it's fun for us, watching it on a screen and it not being real. (Sometimes downright satisfying, especially when Eliot's dishing it out, like the guy who broke his rib in First David ... and Sterling, anyone?)
@Puspa:I don't think Hardison can/would have ANY "lethal weapon" type characteristic in him.
I'm not sure if there's a translation glitch going on there - the Lethal Weapon reference by the other commenter (which I can't find) that I think you're refering to is about the movie series. They weren't literally calling any of the characters (except maybe Eliot) a lethal weapon. Was that where this conversation started?
"[Eliot] is the closest to Nate in not thinking himself a thief," explained Rogers. "There are situations where a certain amount of brute force is required, he applies precisely the amount of brute force, and no more, no less… He considers himself a negotiator, not a thug. Just sometimes you have to hit the person you're negotiating with several times."
Mr Rogers explains what Eliot's thought processed are beautifully here! What Eliot definitely is not, is someone who kills first and asks questions later. My main "problem" (if you can call it that) with Parker and Hardison "acting tough/violent" is the whole team/member is put in danger too. Two examples for Parker: The Lost Heir Job - going up against city cops? (Nate was attending a court case IN that city) The Stork Job - going it alone against many, many men with guns (in a foreign country!) - but eventually needing the whole team to help her/kids escape. 2 examples for Hardison: The 12 Step Job - He fires a gun! E says: Good job Hardison, shooting at the car's engine.. H : I was aiming for his legs,knees or something, sorry can't remember exactly what,but.. The Miracle Job - Yeah, "somebody's got to fight the injured" but Eliot and him were outnumbered, while Eliot had a gun to the gang leader to speak up... So to me Hardison is very FUNNY and Parker is just absolutely QUIRKY. :)
I meant "Eliot's thought processes".. One more thing about the reference to Lethal Weapon, yes i remember CK saying Hardison & him perhaps shared some similarities to that duo in the way they didn't get along,sometimes!
Parker, Lost Heir: She and Eliot were already confronting the police; tasering the second guy removed the threat rather than increasing it.
Parker, Stork: She didn't endanger anyone by getting violent with the fork. She endangered the team by trying to steal the kids, but that wasn't a violent attack on an armed gang. It was a sneak attack. She only resorted to violence when trapped.
Hardison, 12 Step: They were already in a fight and Hardison didn't point the gun in Eliot's direction.
Hardison, Miracle: Eliot already had the situation under control; Hardison didn't destabilize it.
There was also the Second David Job, where Hardison contributed to bringing down the six guys in the office. That didn't endanger anyone. There was also Parker's demonstration of what Eliot was teaching her in the Tap-Out Job, which kinda put Hardison in danger...
The Lethal Weapon reference has more to do with the way Eliot and Hardison bicker than anything else, I suspect.
@ Shelley - THANK YOU for the information on Season 2's DVD. 3 months seems too long but it could have been July!
So -- when do we get the episode where Michael Caine and Robert Duvall show up as Eliot's mentors? (Just saw Secondhand Lions... :) ) ---KRAD
LOVE “Secondhand Lions”! I also love the suggestion. Maybe they could be Eliot’s crotchety uncles in need of the team’s help but they keep getting in the way? It could cause a great deal of annoyance for Eliot and the writers seem to like Eliot best when he is annoyed!
Posted a previous comment but was curious if the team will ever take on the Smithsonian in D.C at some point? I can totally seeing the team having a feild day with that one!
Again Awesome show, only thing I watch anymore-and now I have nothing to watch since there's no new episodes- Keep up the good work and thanks very much!
Was just running through the ep again, and am I right to say that Nate's call/Sophie's helicopter scene was filmed a really long time ago, around ep 7? I notice her hair is much shorter, and her face is thinner than it was when she appeared at the end of the ep.
Also, just to add on, I kinda felt that Tara's departure was pretty undercooked. She'd become a vital and important member of the cast and team, as evidenced by her calling Sophie in to save them, and although you guys did an awesome job of bringing Sophie back in style, I felt Tara's departure should have been given more weight. It just felt very abrupt and unconvincing that she would just say "bye guys!" and they'd just let her leave like that. Any reasons?
Nevertheless, Leverage is still my favourite show on television. I'm proud to say I've gotten quite a few people hooked on it, friends, my sister, and even a teacher. Haha! Rock on, Lev team =D
Don't you think Sophie was wearing a wig with longer hair to be Annie Kroy? Unless Gina Bellman's hair grows incredibly fast, that is a LOT of hair to grow in a few months.
Apologies accepted, of course, and without a force-choke at that :) Just sorry they didn't live up to the shiny for you either. I think it's something about the way in which they're public - everyone and no one has ownership. On a blog like this one, there's a pervasive feel of being guests in another's playground, which keeps us all better behaved, I guess. A little, at least.
So I've been thinking about Tara's abrupt departure. (Because I'm addicted to this show and can think of little else. I have a Kung Fu Monkey on my back.) It was jarring and discomfiting, but Tara's that kind of person. She likes to shake people up, to go against expectations. That's one of the things that made her fun to watch with the crew - they've gotten used to each other, and Tara kept doing things they didn't expect. (Like dropping the towel!) She also seems totally unsentimental - she'd become friends with the crew, but she's not the type for long goodbyes. With Tara you're probably lucky to get *any* goodbye. She made sure Sophie agreed their debt was settled, she said "ciao", and she got away before the cops came. Most importantly, the latter: right before she left, the sirens could be heard and she said, "They're playing my song." Her departure might have been less abrupt if they hadn't all been about to be arrested!
@Rogers @GinaFan Children are easier to control and manipulate.
that NBC is picking up a remake of The Rockford Files. Now, I know that recycling is the trend in Hollywood. I'm wondering if this is in response to the success Leverage is having (because Rockford Files are an acknowledged influence). I'm curious, of course, if the show will be any good and if they are aiming at the same audience (I guess time slot will reveal all). Is this exciting news for the Leverage crew, or daunting? Will we see any Leverage style influences on the "reimagined" show, or was The Rockford Files very much a show set in the 1970s?
(Hey, I have to fiddle with something while waiting for summer.)
In the season 2 finale, was Elliot lying when he said, "Nate, I can take these guys"?
Why can't/won't Sterling steer clear of Nate and co.? Is it that he just wants to keep using Nate to further his career, or is it that Nate is the closest thing to a friend that he has?
I just wanna say that I love the show. Also - I have warm, mushy feelings for you because you answer all of my geeky questions. That is all.
Why can't/won't Sterling steer clear of Nate and co.? Is it that he just wants to keep using Nate to further his career,
Come to think of it, Sterling hasn't ever set out to exploit the team for his own advancement. The closest he came is using them to spring Maggie, but he didn't drive the outcome. He's just been in position to exploit the outcome.
He wouldn't see any need to avoid them. Four of them are some of the best thieves in the world, with really long careers. They're his natural prey. Them going all soft-hearted now doesn't erase their pasts. Rescuing Nate from their influence isn't his primary motivation, but it needs to be done and he wouldn't shy away from doing it.
So we are fast approaching 300 posts for this finale ...
Yes, it's been confirmed that is Rogers gibbering in a corner wondering what sort of monster he created when he decided to answer fan posted questions on his blog. :)
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Yes, it's been confirmed that is Rogers gibbering in a corner wondering what sort of monster he created when he decided to answer fan posted questions on his blog. :)
Oh, we've seen signs of this since mid Season 1....
The Question: to comment or not to comment? Whether 'tis nobler in form to reseve achievement of 300 comments for the season 3 opener, or by succumbing to temptation break such symbolic symmetry of record beforehand, and by succumbing, forestall it....
Well, crap. *dithers Hamletically, then, true to form, acts chaotically, and on instinct*
I guess I couldn't resist adding my little bit to get us to 300. 300 plucky comments, standing fearlessly in the remote question post mountain pass, awaiting the onrushing hordes of ... er ... not sure, actually. Roger's remaining sanity HPs?
THIS. IS. FANDOM!!!!
By the way, to make this a not-entirely-pointless-comment, I was thinking the other day about the tweaking of the format, what elements pop and what don't. I have to say that, for all the clever capers and competence porn and taking down ratbags and sympathetic client sagas and whatnot, what makes the show for me is the characters, together. My favourite scenes from each show are nearly always the ones where they're all in a group, talking. The interplay between all of them is crazy awesome chemistry. I know you can't do an entire episode with them all standing around talking and snarking, but that's the heart and soul of the show, as far as I'm concerned. Moar plz?
Great episode and a great season! You guys did a really great job switching out a loved character (Sophie) for a new one (Tara). Not a lot of shows I've watched have successfully added a new cast member without the fans kind of hating it.
Two questions: 1. When does Season 3 start up? and 2. Will we see more Parker/Eliot team ups in Season 3? There really is a great chemistry between the two actors that I enjoy. Of course, Parker seems to have an odd, yet awesome chemistry with everyone. She's quickly becoming one of my favorite television characters ever.
Last night, when I should have been going to bed, I found the abridged version of "The Nigerian Job". While I am a purist and prefer the extended version, the shot of Eliot, Hardison and Parker all looking at Nate when he regains consciousness (after the explosion) is a great shot. That is the most amazing thing about Leverage - I can watch episodes over and over and can find, or appreciate, something new every time!
I can hack the personalities. They come with the territory on an unmoderated board. I can avoid the den of Kane-loving fangirls. No sweat. I can even handle the sign-on, bitch and they're gone posters that litter the TNT board, even if they can't decide whether they hate Tara and love Sophie, or love Tara and are tired of Sophie.
What brings me up short and sends me running into the night is this one poster who dives at every new poster like an electronic version of Reese Witherspoon in Election, gives them a wet kiss of a welcome and brands them all "hon." Jesus, lady, buy me a drink first.
Well, crap, it ate my comment! (Is that a sign from the Monkey gods? Is 300 the sacred number?)
Take 2 …
@Sam73, cool, a pool! I'll take ep 6, since that seems to be a trend. Ep 6 in S1 was The Stork Job, where he had the case of road rash from the midnight-football faceplant. Ep in S2 was Top Hat Job, and I think we all remember *that* one. So, yeah, ep 6 it is.
I don't think we necessarily have to say what kind of injury, though, again going from his history, anything facial seems a good bet. *g*
@Gordon, Sherri and NinaMay, ah, the TNT boards. (*shudder*) I think what most annoys me about them is that, for all the ardent declarations by posters of their deepest devotion to the show, many of them don't actually seem to know anything about it. For instance, the whole "What have they done with Sophieeee?" drama went on right up until the last ep, as if no one had *ever* explained why Gina was stepping back. There's just very little *real* discussion of the show, the characters, etc., beyond gushing over Nate/Sophie, trying to decide whether Hardison or Eliot should end up with Parker and mooning over Eliot's hair and biceps. (And I say that as someone with an utter and unabashed lust for all things Kane. *g*)
Maybe that's why we lunatics have taken over this asylum. There seems to be a fair number of us who crave not just information about but real discussion of this show in all its addictive glory.
The TNT forum isn't bad, actually, if you stick to the episode threads and one or two others that are episode related. There's a group there trying to have some reasonably good discussion, but they're badly out numbered.
On the other hand, there isn't enough money on planet Earth to get me near TWOP.
@SueN Who are you to decide what is a good discussion about Leverage? Nate and Sophie are a part of the show, a huge part, in fact, a canon couple, any discussion about them is relevant. People actually have other favorite characters besides Eliot, you know.
Not every casual fan knows what's going on in actors' private lives, there were bound to be folks who had no idea and just went there to show support for the character they love. I'm glad there was such an outcry for Sophie coming back everywhere. It just shows how much people love Gina as Sophie.
@Anonymous, I'm pretty much the *only* one who can decide what is or isn't a good discussion *for me*, and which discussions *I* want to get involved in. Believe me, I know how important to the show the whole Nate/Sophie relationship is, but that's not *all* I want to discuss.
I want to discuss the episodes, *all* the characters and their interactions and relationships with each other, their development, the writing, etc. And that just doesn't happen on the TNT boards. Which means, there's not much there that interests *me*.
I am at heart a character junkie. Yes, I love Eliot and I am fully capable of having a shallow fangirl moment when Rogers throws us a wet!Eliot in a 'beater. But I'm much more interested in how Eliot went from, "it's every man for himself" in the pilot to the guy who was willing to take on an entire boatload of armed federal agents to get his team out in ep 215. That's a character arc in itself, and those are like chocolate to me.
I want to know who these people are, how they got to where they are now and where they go from here. And until those discussions are as viable and active a part of the TNT boards as "OMG, Eliot is a hottie!" or "How dare TPTB shove Gina aside for that show-killer Jeri Ryan!" then, no, there won't be much there of any interest *to me*.
Interesting I don't see you on the TNT board making any effort to start a discussion like that. It's easy to take cheap shots; why not put your money where your mouth is?
Meanwhile, you and yours have hijacked this blog and turned it into your special discussion area, flooding Rogers with irrelevant comments, and delaying his responses to the questions and comments this blog is supposed to be about.
Unfortunately, starting a discussion like that doesn't usually get you very far if most of the people you'll be talking with aren't interested in maintaining it. It's not like some of us haven't had some experience with this sort of thing. And Melissa is right; defending TNT while saying "put your money where your mouth is", and talking about cheap shots, while remaining annonymous is probably not going to convince us that the kind of discussion we're looking for is likely to found there.
Meanwhile, you and yours have hijacked this blog and turned it into your special discussion area,
The fact that you don't seem to be able to enjoy the discussion that happens here for its own sake also makes it seem unlikely. I'm sure your comments are not representative of everyone on the TNT boards, but that's still the impression it creates. And, since we're lumping people together, and since I've been an active party in the hijacking, I'll take it that I'm part of what you call SueN's "you and yours". So I can answer for some of it.
flooding Rogers with irrelevant comments, and delaying his responses to the questions and comments this blog is supposed to be about.
As someone else has pointed out, Rogers has hardly placed restrictions on what can be said in these posts; general snark, comments, questions, theories have all been the order of the day. Perhaps he enjoys the "irrelevant" comments. Perhaps he enjoys the feedback. He certainly invites it.
We can't know why he puts up with us, or that he's sick of us, until he tells us so. Your accusation that it's the volume of the comments that keeps him from posting answers, rather than, oh I don't know, running a show is an assumption at best. We could also allow him autonomy in deciding what his blog is supposed to be about.
@ChelseaNH: I went over and checked out Leverage on TWoP, and the discussion seemed decent – but the whole thing being one thread with 170+ pages put me off. I can handle several hundred comments, but that many is too much, even for me. Maybe some time when I have a few days spare.... :)
@Anonymous: Interesting I don't see you on the TNT board making any effort to start a discussion like that.
Actually, I've posted to several threads at the TNT boards. Under the username SueN. Discussing episodes and such. You know, the threads that have gone nowhere.
As for hijacking *this* boat, unless my reading ain't what it used to be, we're still discussing Leverage here. And until Rogers himself hands down a C&D, or throws out more shiny to distract us, I don't see why we can't continue to amuse ourselves. I enjoy the interaction among other Leverage fands as much as I enjoy picking Rogers' brain.
I'm also not sure how *we've* delayed Rogers from answering anything. Seems to me filming and writing S3, as well as the unnamed "family issues" he mentions in the Zanzibar post-game, might have more to do with that.
(Also, me and mine? I feel like Tara. "Dogs? Do I have dogs?")
And now I'm waiting for Dad to ask if he needs to pull the car over and come back here …
You may have answered this before, but how often are the team members together in between jobs? I imagine each are still doing their own thing as opportunities for theft, hacking, retrieval, etc. come up. What kind of schedule are they on, how do they decide when to come together for a team job and when to go solo?
Will we see an episode where they need all 5 members of the team but one of them is off on a solo job? I was going to ask what if one of them needs to be rescued but ep 301 would be about rescuing Nate I assume.
Thanks so much for doing answering the questions.
Looking forward to the season 2 dvd. Will it be subtitled?
Another question: what would happen if they're on a job and Sophie gets recognized as Annie Kroy or any of her other aliases? I know she's good but you have mentioned that there are jobs that go badly.
So, I was reading a bunch of stuff about Sophie burying Sophie, and I feel like bringing Gina back with a new name and a newly created character is a bad idea. For one, Nate fell in love with Sophie, not some other chick, and for another, I'm not entirely convinced that, whatever Sophie's real name is, she's kind of... become Sophie Devereaux. Sophie loves Nate, and I've never seen Sophie's aliases hurt. Sophie though, she DOES get hurt. I guess what I'm getting at is: Is Sophie Devereaux even an alias anymore?
And one more thing I'm not sure on. Does Nate hate Sterling, or is there still some residual friendship. I know they were best friends once upon a time, and probably had some friendly competition, but does Nate just hate him now? And does Sterling hate Nate?
What Tim told us at ConCon about the scene where Nate calls Sophie makes me wonder if Sophie's line at the end after they kissed and she slapped him would've been any different. Maybe she'd say: "You call me, you tell me you love me so you can do this?" Or was it always "you need me" in the script?
I have mixed feelings about it, I really want to hear Nate say those words but maybe it wasn't the most perfect time to say them since she wasn't there with him and she couldn't hear him. It's better he says it to her in person so she can say it back and we get another lovely and romantic scene between them.
Did you guys end up talking about it after the con or was that it? :P What did Gina think about this last change in the script?
One more thing (and an actual real!question this time). Did Eliot (or any of them) realize Nate had been shot?
There seems to be something in the way he looks at Nate just before he walks away that indicates he did, but it could also have been Eliot just being Eliot (and none too happy with Nate, or the world in general, at that moment).
I do think that, of all of them, he'd be the most likely one to read the signs and clue in, but, then again, they were all a bit distracted at the time, eh? ;-)
One last question, I swear (unless, you know, something else occurs to me). I watched the ep again today (had to do *soemthing* while the oven cleaner set, right?), and something suddenly struck me.
Parker and Tara on the rooftop. Hardison alerting Parker to Tara's possible betrayal. He alerted Parker via earbuds. Why didn't Tara hear?
And, yeah, even now, the ending still guts me. Evil bastard.
My mom doesn't like the Nate-as-a-drunk storyline, and is interested in knowing if Nate is going to sober up again (for good) in season three. (I personally like the emotional stuff that comes along with the drinking, but that's just me.)
Also, when Nate was talking to Sophie over the phone and Sophie was in the plane/helicopter, could she really hear him? Because later she said "You need me" and that made it seem like she really had heard him, but on the phone she kept saying she couldn't...
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 363 of 363Just one quick question, when Kadjic(?) was saying they were lucky because he was suppose to leave, but a few of the buyers wanted to see the merchandise, was that Sophie's doing as well?
@Denita and Zenkitty2003, I have been begging for a Nate-Eliot chess throwdown forever! I'm betting it would be brutal.
And, seriously, only Leverage could make chess sexy *and* appealing as a spectator sport! Rogers, do your evil powers know no limits???
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Another comment and another question.
I did love when Parker hugged Sophie and Sophie was so shocked at Parker touching. I think it shows the growth Parker has made and how much she really missed Sophie.
Also, after watching one more time - I keep wondering if Nate's run to the apartment was a set up to flush out Sterling. He seemed frantic, he seemed semi-horrified when Sterling walked down the steps (more great TH acting!)but was it to get Sterling to tip his hand so he knew how to protect the team? Ater the visit he called Sophie and then called Hardison and told him the apartment was safe and they could come back. How did he know that the FBI didn't have someone watching? He also had the whole plan figured out to present to the team. I guess I want to believe that he one-upped Sterling.
I was one of the lucky souls that got an early download from Itunes [I didn't tell anyone] but it was all good since my DVR harddrive fried that night and it didn't record. See even God lovrs Leverage! My question is .who will visit Nate in jail since,technically the team is all still "wanted"?
Wow, you are a cruel man. Loved every second. :)
Now my questions:
Did you put in the Sophie scenes in the previous episodes just (or mainly) so that we do not get suspicious when Gina first appears in the grand finale? (an awesome scene by the way)
Is there any in-story reason why Jeri's character can disappear in this extremely cool send-off when she does? I know there is a story-*telling* reason, but ...
Rogers, after finally seeing the finale, I partially retract what I said in the 2/14 thread. You need some Majel. I anxiously await the summer.
Things being what they are, it might be fun if you had Jeri do a recap VO. She's got a great voice for it in her own right, and since I don't really expect Tara to be back immediately it would be a comforting foreshadowing for my expectation that she will be back eventually.
Was Sterling's "I don't know" at the end in any way influenced by the bar scene in Serenity? ("Do you know that girl?" "I really don't.")
In keeping with the classic movie titles, will the season 3 premiere be 'The Great Escape Job'? (Pretty please?)
Is there any in-story reason why Jeri's character can disappear in this extremely cool send-off when she does?
Well, Tara knows that Sophie is riding to the rescue.
I'm still stuck on the destroying the evidence against Kadjic thing. The FBI never investigated Kadjic (as a favor to the mayor), so all the evidence against him came from Sterling, so none of it implicated the team.
Let's supppose the con went down according to plan and the team got away before the 5-0 pulled up. The only evidence against Kadjic would be catching him on the boat with the guns and the buyers. In order to achieve justice for Bonnano by bringing down Kadjic, that would have to be enough to convict him.
But the con falls apart, the feds arrive -- Kadjic is caught on the boat with the guns and the buyers. Basically the outcome that the team planned before, only now it's not enough and Sterling needs Nate to swing a conviction.
So there's that. The only reason to destroy the evidence against Kadjic is to make Sterling need Nate. Which means Nate knew he was going to give himself up. Which means Nate had to con the team into doing the thing that would make it possible for him to save them without letting them discover that he was going to sacrifice himself, and how did he pull that one off?
Okay My first Comment and Question.
I love Leverage, it's a great show amnd you guys are doing a wonderful Job. Now my question that I probably already know but have to ask.
Did Christian Kane really break the plastic ties binding his hands together?
Thank you
You'll never get this far, so it's safe to call you a bastard. That was so a cliffhanger.
And what happened to the original FBI payoff cash?
Oh, hey, congrats to the show, Aldis and Gina for the Saturn Award nominations, and to Berg and Hutton for the Prism Award noms!
Now we just need to steal the Emmys …
>How come Eliot's phone didn't >work in the cargo hold but >Kadjic's did?
Eliot must have the blue map and Kadjic has the red one
Here is one you may not be able to answer. It seems that lots of people know that Annie Croy (sp?) runs a badass criminal organization in London, which can credibly offer to purchase large amounts of weapons. I can think of at least three possibilities: (1) Sophie is impersonating the real Annie Croy and trading on her real reputation, (2) the Croy gang is a complete fiction based on false Internet documents planted by someone as clever as Hardison, or (3) Sophie is leading a double life, and actually running the Croy gang during her time off.
As a great fan of Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan stories, I would love for (3) to be true, but I don't know how plausible it is. Sophie is ruthless when necessary, but I can't see her ordering the number of real murders that a real Annie Croy would need to order, for one thing.
If (3) were true, it would be a big reveal sometime later, so you probably couldn't tell us...
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An addition to the Leverage Drinking Game: whenever someone says, "Did Kane really DO that?" take two drinks. Never mind Eliot, I'm beginning to think Christian is Batman.
My gosh, I haven't talked about a show this much since Firefly went away.
Congrats to Tim and Gina and Aldis and The Show for all the nominations! Recognition is sweet.
AHHHHHHH, I don't care if it technically constitutes a cliffhanger or not, THAT STILL LEAVES ME HANGING! S...so cruel. Sob.
Gotta say, though, for all the cruelty here, that sure was a lot of lovely fanservice. I'm not usually a big Eliot fangirl, but even I appreciated that blatantly fanservicey Eliot-getting-his-growl-on bit. Also, Parker hanging Tara over the side of the building? Does it make me a terrible person for finding that totally hot? And of course, that Nate/Sophie kiss, that was really well done.
Now excuse me while I go SCREAM UNTIL NEXT SEASON OGOD.
@zenkitty2003:
"Never mind Eliot, I'm beginning to think Christian is Batman."
The SO and I were just saying exactly that the other day, lol.
Mostly I just want to let u know that Leverage fans know how much time and effort u & the rest of the "crew" put into this show year round. & knowing that, it makes us appreciate how hard it is four u to find the time to take care of the fans like this. So... 2 silly questions... Will all season 2 eps have commentaries & will they be by actors and well as the fine people behind the scenes? (I can't tell u how often I've listened to them.) & how much of the story arc to u have "mapped" out before the season starts filming? Thank u for the twittering too. Love being a "part" of the interaction between u guys and all the glimpses of Leverage's innards.
If you have gotten this far, you will go to the ends of the earth for your fans!
What an episode! In fact, the entirety of the second half of S2 was superbly done, although the absence of Sophie (Gina) was noticeable. That is what made her return in the finale that much better.
Now we're faced with four months of withdrawal until the S2 DVD's come out. That's definitely unfair!
Questions:
1) Now that we have Nate (Tim) and Sophie being honest with each other and their feelings, is this something that will have an effect on their working relationship?
2) Was the blue bag used to carry the FBI money to the ship the same one carrying the bomb in "Zanzibar Marketplace"? It looked quite familiar.
3) Will Nate be doing jail time? If my thoughts are correct, that would allow you to have S3's season opener with a ready made job already in place.
4) You have noted that "The Big Con" helps in planning the show and Apollo Robbins for his sleight of hand talents. What other useful books or people do you tap for their information?
OK, think that's it. Besides, you have to get to work on Season Three!
Outstanding! Thanks for a great season!
"My name is Nate Ford and I am a thief" = Genius.
You know what S0301 is about - 'Let's go steal a prison' or 'Let's go steal a trial' [but you've kinda done the latter.
Awesomely awesome ep.
Two days late due to a Netflix glitch. Finally shelled out $1.99 to iTunes to get it.
Totally. Fucking. Worth. It.
You broke my heart, Rogers. You Goddamn broke my heart. In the best possible way. Bravo.
@Sammi323, while I do like the red map/blue map theory, I think it can also come down to a difference in phones. Hubby, the girls and I have one provider but four different phones, and who can get service where often varies from phone to phone.
Which makes me wonder, does the team pay for cell service, or does Hardison just jack it for them?
@Sammi323, while I do like the red map/blue map theory, I think it can also come down to a difference in phone
Given that different companies often operate on different frequencies, it's not just arm waving.
Normally, I'd bet Hardison would select a brand of phone that would work better on the ship, but given the circumstances, I don't think he could be choosers...
My one related question: When does season 3 start?
My non-related question: What Savage Worlds stuff are you writing? :)
Awesome, Rogers, truly awesome. One of the best Leverage eps, and it's a very strong bunch.
My only question is this: There seemed to be echoes of two of my other favorite shows, namely The Wire (crime and political corruption in the ports, specifically in season 2 of that show) and Buffy (self-sacrifice, whole team splits up.) Conscious homage or selection bias on my part?
Congrats again to the entire team.
The con started to come unglued from the point when H saw Tara meeting/talking to arms dealer (on camera).
H tries to contact Parker. H couldn't get through to Parker to "warn" her about Tara (both P and T are on a rooftop) - Parker apologies about bad reception or something to H when she finally receives H's message. But more importantly H was central in the con that went from bad to worse?;)
1. H goes out of the container to get the call through to Parker...
2. H leaves the voice activated (?) cell phone right in front of the Mayor...Mayor screams warning to Kadjic...
3. H is NEVER seen COMING BACK to the the container to check on the Mayor...Mayor escapes on deck, really funny scene here btw!
4. H, after that Parker call, is next seen standing INSIDE the ship with a huge tool in his hand!LOL H has already wrecked the electronic circuitry to prevent the cargo ship from leaving...
5. H is idly walking in the aisle, E runs by towards the ladder leading up...
6. H uses an accent on E (a tip-off?), and Eliot moves towards H, in time to disarm "no 1" who was hiding between both of them behind the wall...
7. Eliot asks H where's Nate? Why? Was H disabling the ship AND getting off with Nate the original plan?...
8. When Nate said "Make the call" to E, was it for H to come and disable the ship?..But then again, it was the Mayor's call that tipped off Kadjic. If that didn't happen, Kadjic said they were only leaving that night...
9. OR did H leave the Mayor on his own accord, and go on board because of what he suspected of Tara's deal with Kadjic?...
10. The deal being strictly with Sterling, was Eliot making the call to Sterling?...
11. But at which point did H *know* that E & N were in trouble and Kadjic was going to start moving off in order to dispose of E and Nate?...
12. On another topic, in the Bean Town Bailout, Sophie said she'd "be" the Ice Queen. That turned out to be Ms C...
13. Was H supposed to have just baby sat the captive Mayor AND connected Eliot's call to Sterling for the original plan to be a success? Did Hardison's panic on warning/connecting to Parker about Tara, make Eliot's call not get through at that crucial time?
Congrats on the nominations - Best TV Series should be yours!
First off, well done on a FANTABULOUS finale!
Secondly, could you please tell Aldis Hodge he is full of devilish, sexy YUM and the next time he suits to play a rope-happy enforcer to have TNT warn us so I don't swoon halfway through? Thank you.
Third, how did the fire planted in the evidence box spread? Are those things not fireproof? Just wondering.
A lot of people are crying foul on Elliot's phone not working, but Kadjic's working: personally, if I own a freighter and am on it a lot, I might pay for one of those fancy contraptions that boost signal for me. Which Elliot would not have.
This was a great episode. I join the hordes of people crying out, "When is it gonna be on DVD??" and "Oh God, when does Season 3 start??"
also liked that even Sterling says "You're adorable" It's used the same way as Southerners say "Bless your heart" with a mental shake of the head and pat on the clueless person's head.
And Parker actually hugging Sophie and S's incredulous "She's touching now?"
There are so many reasons this is my fave show.
Watched the finale about a million times. I will totally be in withdrawal between now and summer. PLEASE let the new eps start in June. PLEASE PLEASE.
Even Sterling showed a lot of interesting things instead of just being a dick. He must be very much like Nate pre-Sam's death. He's competitive, loves the chase, not afraid the bend the rules a little but still with a very black and white view of right and wrong.
I'm wondering if maybe his world view might be challenged by the ending? He so thought he knew Nate and that Nate was a "good" guy and an "honest" guy who just needed to be set on the right path. Will it be hard for him to reconcile the fact that someone he viewed as being good is also a thief?
I rewatched the first season and the last five episodes again, they're even better when watched back to back, but I noticed something.
I miss small character traits like Nate's hats and Eliot emptying guns. For example in the final Eliot disarmed the men but didn't empty the guns. I think the last time we see him do it is in 'The Lost Heir Job'.
Will they return for season 3 or is it established and will not be shown again? They are minor details if course but I enjoyed them.
But at which point did H *know* that E & N were in trouble and Kadjic was going to start moving off in order to dispose of E and Nate?
If Hardison never got the update that Tara hadn't sold them out to Kadjic, he would believe that Nate and Eliot needed help. Even if he didn't, I can see how disabling the ship would have been part of the plan all along, just to be safe.
wv: niftswit - person who buys all those Ronco-type gadgets from TV commercials
I was travelling last week and just finally got the chance to rewatch the finale and make my notes (cant do it at the time of orignal airing! too distracting)
and by now, most of my comments have already been posted.
LOVED
1) The look on Eliot's face when Nate says 'Sterling'
2) Eliot loyalty - The fact that Eliot followed orders when he had said earlier that he was going to do his job – Get his back all the way down…. And then couldn’t. That slight head shake at the end when he walks Parker and Hardison off
3) Loved the staging of Nate on the stairs instead of in front of the team and the use all Nate's money. He already knew HIS plan
4) All things Nate-Sophie!
There was enough of the humor and the witty dialogue I love in here to keep the feel of the show. (Eliot's look when telling about Tara being naked, Parker & Hardison with the porn, geek spiral, Hardison's poor rappeling, Con version of a stairmaster) Thank you for that too!
Questions:
1) When Nate tells Parker and Eliot to meet him outside, Eliot is wearing the leather jacket instead of the sweatshirt- Did he buy both at the hotel?
2) Does everyone keep an entire wardrobe at Nate's?
3) Does Nate already have a plan to get out of this - or in his mind, is he through?
KUDOS to you all. I cant wait for ConCon!
U was traveling last week and just finally got the chance to rewatch the finale and make my notes (cant do it at the time of orignal airing! too distracting)
and by now, most of my comments have already been posted and my questions already asked.
LOVED
1) The look on Eliot's face when Nate says 'Sterling'
2) Eliot loyalty - The fact that Eliot followed orders when he had said earlier that he was going to do his job – Get his back all the way down…. And then couldn’t. That slight head shake at the end when he walks Parker and Hardison off
3) Loved the staging of Nate on the stairs instead of in front of the team and the use all Nate's money. He already knew HIS plan
4) All things Nate-Sophie!
There was enough of the humor and the witty dialogue I love in here to keep the feel of the show. (Eliot's look when telling about Tara being naked, Parker & Hardison with the porn, geek spiral, Hardison's poor rappeling, Con version of a stairmaster) Thank you for that too!
Questions:
1) When Nate tells Parker and Eliot to meet him outside, Eliot is wearing the leather jacket instead of the sweatshirt- Did he buy both at the hotel?
2) Does everyone keep an entire wardrobe at Nate's?
3) Does Nate already have a plan to get out of this - or in his mind, is he through?
KUDOS to you all. I cant wait for ConCon!
3) Does Nate already have a plan to get out of this - or in his mind, is he through?
This is a very good question.
And I bet the answer is, "Season 3."
I appreciate that you'd give time for the verbal exchange Eliot had "making" the keys. Christian was so good reining in his impatience with the guy's "testing" queries! I cracked up at: Who carries our ID in the gym bro? (smile!)..
The stolen name Ogden? Ogden is in the Marvel comics, She-Hulk has an enemy called Ogden?
But I'm wondering if Christian "takes care" of tiny matters such as his fake names and numbers during a scene/con? Also being particular and not random about it! Why do I ask? LOL Crazy but true, there is a Mr & Mrs Ogden Shields (assoc with St Louis Villa Duchesne), connected with an Annual Fleur-De-Lis Charity Ball to raise funds. Christian has his reasons for wearing the FDL bracelets. Pleasant coincidence?
Keep up all your great work! Just know the S3 opener is gonna be very special/explosive too..when is it again?:)
Unrelated to this episode, just a question for season 3: Can you please cast Enver Gjokaj in an episode? Please? Maybe if Alt!Leverage needs a grifter?
kudos to the whole team, that was just awesome. Great Job....
in fact that there are aready 239 posts so far, i try to keep it short...
Q#1 who was on the phone with Tara? (nice she talked german btw)
Q#2 did Hardison get out of this 'rope mess' by himself?
( ...or did Aldis?)
Q#3 do we get to know for what Tara owed Sofie?
and with that, I official apologize to Tara for not trusting her, I really thought she would flip on the team, at one point or another.SORRY.
'don't even look at the door'..i try so hard not think about the door, in every single ep. and you let the FBI right walk through it, THANK YOU !!!
...if our team has to change the city for some reason, one day, i would like to move into Nate's apartment. I love that place.
lookin' forward for S3
You do realize you've set up the Sterling elevator game for ConCon, don't you?
Speaking of which ... Sterling was going up 14 floors and we only see maybe 6 of them? I bet you did all floors so will we see those on the DVDs?
Excellent work on the finale, which is par for the course here. Kudos to you, Mr. Monkey, and your crew. Two questions:
1) Was the Usual Suspects vibe here only in my head? Because Nate looked very Dean Keaton-ish there.
2) If the idea of a European super-team is out there, might I suggest David Tennant as the equivalent of either Nate or Hardison?
The finale was perfect. Seriously. :) I only have one question (well, maybe two or three): what's with Nate's turtleneck? We've only seen him wear it once before (The Nigerian Job). Was it supposed to be a huge character arc (like: look where he started and what he's become)? Or am I reading WAY too far into this? Like everyone else has already said numerous times, kudos to EVERYONE! Thanks and I can't wait for S2 on DVD!! :D
SOPHIE!
I both love and hate Nate's ending: on one hand, he's not longer claiming to be morally superior to the rest of the team because he's not a thief, but he's still acting like he's superior by making crucial decisions without them. Since he is not, actually, fandom jokes aside, their father, this is Not Cool.
(I thought that the evidence they were destroying in the FBI was the stuff against _them_, that he'd told them Sterling's offer and how he was going to foil them, and I was so pleased. Hah! I should have realized that it was too good to be true.)
Love all the great moments the team gets, love the elevator sequence (very funny), and love Sophie to the rescue.
Wow, leave us alone long enough and we will post for weeks.
Rewatching season 1 (duh) and the 12-Step Job. Just saw the scene where Hurley and Nate have to get out of the rehab center and Nate wants Parker to help, but she won't. She remarks, when Nate puts his hands on her shoulders, that Nate rarely touches any of them because of "...the hole in your heart, Tom. It doesn't allow you to get close to people." I thought it was a great line, even if intended as a throw-away joke. It was very revealing (especially from Parker).
Stupid detail, sure, but it held pretty true through season 2 -- the others seem much more physically comfortable with each other (even Eliot). None of them are super touchy-feely, which completely suits them, but the body language among the others seems to have shifted over time. Was that on purpose? And will it change in season 3?
Wow. Lotso comments. I didn't love absolutely everything. Parker and Tara doing the Hyundai placement. But that was okay. Baby needs shoes. (I used to say that at a job I work, but people would always ask how old my kid was. I don't have one so I started saying, Puppy needs kibble. Now they look confused.)
I liked the Sophie re-intro, but I don't buy her and Nate as a couple. I'm over the UST. Lets move on. Tim Hutton and Kari Matchett have ooodles of chemistry.
I am in love with Eliot. I used to just lust after him, now I want his parents to adopt me so he can be MY big brother.
I don't know how you make it look so good on your budget, but keep it up!
Rewatching the episode tonight, noticed when Sterling gave Nate a flask of whiskey before having him make his decisions. Exchange with my friend:
"Oh shit! Sterling thinks the whiskey WEAKENS Nate's powers!"
"You FOOOOL!"
US law enforcement agencies use sting operations to target any entry point that is being...and false or marked money may be laid as bait to catch the offender.
LOL You guys REALLY know your stuff!! But of course, that's why you have such a good show.
I can't believe the things you make me interested to read up on (just a little more!)..Mr Kane does the same thing sometimes with the tweets..but its all good!
Questions:
1.Because Nate has "handed over" the 250 thousand (FBI marked bribe money?) to Kadjic now, will that lead directly back to the crooked deal the FBI & Mayor Culpepper had going?
2.Will Agent Nevins (bad operations/deal) be handed to Sterling as a big case win?
BTW was thrilled that Sterling asked exactly the same questions regarding Nate's "escape" with the money AND IN Agent Nevins official car too! She had her "reasons" for letting it go!
I'm now hoping for "The Casablanca Job" where Nate and Sterling walk off at the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Only please, do not put Sophie on the plane!
wv: tyrogo - A Tyrolean dogo
The more i rewatch the episodes of Leverage, the more the actors you have amaze!
TH is perfect for the role as the "troubled leader" .. The beauty is he is at odds (with himself & what he's doing!), then he is not, at the most erm, unexpected times! But one thing Nate never is, is "greedy" - which is what Sterling is, at the best of times!
The team members are left bewildered by Nate, but they're so protective/loyal to him now.
Sterling can expect to have nothing less than a rocky/dangerous "relationship" with Nate for many, many reasons - one of them being Nate has a "family" to protect. LOL Sterling is like the prickly bush (?) that keeps getting in his way?
All this weekend I kept seeing promos on non-TNT networks for Leverage promising new episodes Wednesdays at 10 pm, and it made me sad. I don't need to be sad on my weekends. Couldn't you just make new episodes all year 'round? I'm pretty sure all the sunshine in California interacts with melatonin to make sleep mostly unnecessary.
@ zenkitty2003
( and all the others who started it)
in my opinion Eliot/Christian is neither Batman nor Wolverine,
I see him more like James P. Sullivan aka Sully form Monster Inc.
strong and cute...
just saying...
*sigh*
Okay, after watching a third time,
Lionel Getz, Mr. Joshua, looking down on a cargo ship with star shot to end, major call out to Lethal Weapon????
NICE!!!
You know, the show just did half a season without Sophie; maybe now it's going to do half a season without Nate.
Naaaah.
Anyways, I finally got to watch the finale last night (been waiting to get the whole family together), and it was wonderful. This season's ending has got my imagination going and my gears working. How will they solve Nate's immediate problem? Will we see the solution from Nate's POV or the team's? Is the team going to move to a new city every season? And will all cities be Portland?
There are even more questions I could list. Unfortunately, none of them can be answered yet.
For those asking, TV on DVD is reporting the Leverage season 2 DVD's will be released May 25 "just in time for season 3"
So...
Pretty much the most heart-wrenching episode EVAR. Agh. I am in agony. I teared up for the last five minutes of the show...what the HELL is going to happen NEXT?!
Congrats on the gloriously fabulous season, I cannot wait to see season 3 this summer. The writing team, the crew, the cast, everybody did an amazing job and I am so ecstatic for you guys - 2 great seasons of television!! We want more!!!
Question:
Does anyone on set ever pull pranks while the film is rolling? Examples?
So -- when do we get the episode where Michael Caine and Robert Duvall show up as Eliot's mentors? (Just saw Secondhand Lions... :) )
---KRAD
“I actually hurt people…”
Eliot (1×02)- when all the others are denying that they hurt people in their line.
I think when Eliot "confesses" out aloud that (obvious?) description of what he does - its like he's saying he actually *trained* for it, sooo.. Eliot's a professional and knows what/how to "actually hurt people" & do minimum/maximum "damage" as when appropriate. Hey it's STILL the fun train in Leverage going strong.
I don't think Hardison can/would have ANY "lethal weapon" type characteristic in him. LOL the actor is "huge" & hard to miss though!
Anyway Aldis character, Hardison's background, never suggests he had to use any major force on a human being to get to where he wanted to go or needed all his life!
Hardison's "past" consisted of wearing braces AND being fostered by erm, "Nana?" Awesome! Machines are H's friends.
BTW is it so "easy" to do "damage" or act aggressive/assume killer poses overnight in extracting information during cons? Where's all the "anger" suddenly coming from to pretend that?
Woh and Parker holding Tara by the neck? :) Drama yes! But did Parker EVER had to something remotely like that (anytime in her thieving life!) to getaway/ her way or escape being caught?
IMHO - ONLY Nate/TH is VERY, VERY CONVINCING (insert applause!) that he would have "bashed" in Culpepper's head with what he had in The Three Strikes Job;) I would believe that Nate could "play" on his rage, anytime - The man inside had stopped caring, and he hurts, a lot!!
Of course the MAIN MAN to do "realistic damage" (and look awesome doing it!) is always going to be Mr Kane's Eliot Spencer, cause that's what he does.
@Puspa
Whoa. You don't buy Parker's violence? She's scarier than Eliot, man. Eliot has a moral code about when and where he'll hurt people. Parker, NSM. Parker zapped that cop when Eliot wouldn't, and she pumped the tazer for fun.
Hardison--I'm not sure how much sleep he'd have lost if Sterling had gotten caught in one of his explosions. I think you've candy-coated the team.
Is Leverage shown in Japan?
I ask after reading that Toyota execs boasted of saving about $100 million after finagling a limited recall of floormats instead of admitting there was a real problem. My first thought was, "These people clearly didn't see 'Top Hat Job.'"
Maybe Leverage should be required watching for *all* corporate heads …
@ita and Puspa, also let's not forget that if these people had, eh, a "normal" moral code, they wouldn't be criminals in the first place.
ita, I'm with you. Parker is seriously scary, simply because she seems to lack completely Eliot's sense of context and restraint. Eliot uses violence as a tool; Parker actually seems to get off on it.
Puspa asked about Hardison, Where's all the "anger" suddenly coming from to pretend that?
Sterling was trying to bring their world down again. I'd think Hardison could easily summon up a world of anger, with no pretense whatsoever.
“I actually hurt people…”
Eliot (1×02)- when all the others are denying that they hurt people in their line.
Based on the above and Packer being "different" also add in Nate "knowing" Parker is insane. Parker *does* say AND do the most inappropriate things. But "insane" as in not giving people a WWE like choke hold & actually COMMITTING the crime of,oh murder, perhaps?
So, maybe I'm totally wrong in assuming Nate is (innocently?) saddled with a bunch of hard-core would-be/could-be "hitters" and people with "muscle" - when Nate actually thought he had only one Specialist on the team who knows what he's doing.
Whoa PARKER became a PACKER!
Sorry PaRker.
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Whoa. You don't buy Parker's violence? She's scarier than Eliot, man.
Ita said...
Well, *if* I am going to think that of Parker - past her trying to touch an explosive Sophie's holding, gleefully tazering a fallen cop & the crook(BTBJ), stabbing with a fork! -
Every one of those "awkward" Parker response moments had the team, Eliot or Nate to witness it.
Nate: No, stabbing Parker..
So Tara wasn't guilty that time. But panic stricken Hardison (most probably?) tells Parker that Tara's a threat? Did Hardison (like me?;D) didn't think that Parker would/could get physically violent & (threaten?) capable of throwing Tara off the roof..and live with the consequences of her action(s)?
Funnily (or not) Tara went up against a Triad member & did a little head-butting. I was curious if Tara was "Ex" some agency (agent/spy) or something. What was Tara's background for fighting like that? - Why couldn't Tara just be a gifted grifter like Sophie, with dashes of PaRker's "violent" tendencies?
Actually, if Parker is seriously a tough, hothead, that to me personally is different. But Parker is said to have a mild "personality disorder" and not a people person? Parker's reading of "other" people (outside the team) is erm, skewed to began with.. that's "different" too.
So, I've finally caught up on Leverage, with the final two-part season episodes this morning.
At the beginning of the second season of Millennium, they had the motto, "This Is Who We Are."
Invisibly, the end of the final part of Leverage had, "This Is Why We Write."
The way everything tied together and all the touches -- Parker's strength, the appearance of Sophie, Elliot's countdown, his handcuffs, Sophie's slap, Nate's AA-like declaration -- my god, Rogers, you must had had a writer's orgasm doing that!
It was fucking MAGNIFICENT!
Bravo!
*standing ovation*
Did Hardison (like me?;D) didn't think that Parker would/could get physically violent & (threaten?) capable of throwing Tara off the roof..and live with the consequences of her action(s)?
I doubt that's what Hardison was thinking about. As far as he knew, Tara had sold out the team. He didn't want Parker caught in the trap -- that was his panic. He wasn't thinking about Parker's reaction other than her escaping.
Actually, if Parker is seriously a tough, hothead, that to me personally is different.
Parker has impulse control problems but she doesn't lose her temper, so "hothead" isn't the word I'd use. She's colder than that.
@Puspa
Parker isn't a serious tough. She has trouble with empathy for other adults (she obviously has it for children). It's not just that she misses social cues -- she really doesn't always clue in that other people feel things, and she's pretty aware that when they DO feel things, it isn't necessarily the same thing SHE feels.
And she has no problem threatening people -- remember Eliot and the razor blade in the apple in Juror 6? I imagine there are other instances I'm not recalling right now.
Now, in the Parker arc, she's accepted the group as her family, worthy of her loyalty, deserving her best efforts. They take care of her, watch out for her, share her life. She certainly trusts them implicitly.
And Hardison informed her that Tara was a threat to that family. She doesn't need to be a big hitter, a trained killer, or to even have killed anyone before. She sees a serious threat, she goes to her angry place (remember the pilot when she shows up with a gun at the warehouse? Would she come with a gun if she wasn't prepared to shoot it? Hardison, yes, because it made him look tough, but Parker? Parker doesn't DO things because of what other people think) and she goes after Tara.
Tara doesn't expect it, and she's not really cognizant of Parker being a threat, plus she is committed to protecting the team for Sophie. She has reason to try to negotiate with Parker even while backed over the edge of a building.
We've seen Parker fight when she's protecting someone, and she's dangerous. Again, she doesn't have to be Eliot for her to react with force. She's proven that already. In fact, if she HAD been Eliot powered yet with her particular problems, Tara would never had had time to explain anything. Tara would have died within 5 seconds of Hardison's warning, her neck snapped or her chest caved in or several organs ruptured. Off the building is actually a fairly Parker way to do it, given her affinity for heights and falling and her LACK OF KILLING skills. She can fight, but she's not big on killing. (I don't buy the "not hurting people" -- Parker does not have the best capacity for determining that.)
Your turn :D
May 25th. I'm waiting for the preorder button to show up.
Does the "hide in plain sight" philosophy mean the team will keep meeting at Nate's apartment in S3?
@Sherri
I don't know about Puspa, but I sure like the way you explained that. To me, there's always been two factors operating when it came to Parker and violence.
One, violence is a part of the status quo. That is, she doesn't recognize the difference between a situation where violence is an appropriate response, and where it is not (unlike Eliot). To her, violence is always an acceptable response - just not usually the optimal one, considering she has other strengths, such as jumping off stuff. Probably because those boundaries that most people draw around the use of violence were broken comprehensively for her very early on. People usually get nervous when they discover they're in a situation where violence is an element, but she does not. That's normal for her.
Two, as you say, she's low on "emotional intelligence". Someone in pain doesn't register with her as real, most of the time. Her enjoyment of pain being inflicted is part of that; it's fun, in the same way as it's fun for us, watching it on a screen and it not being real. (Sometimes downright satisfying, especially when Eliot's dishing it out, like the guy who broke his rib in First David ... and Sterling, anyone?)
@Puspa: I don't think Hardison can/would have ANY "lethal weapon" type characteristic in him.
I'm not sure if there's a translation glitch going on there - the Lethal Weapon reference by the other commenter (which I can't find) that I think you're refering to is about the movie series. They weren't literally calling any of the characters (except maybe Eliot) a lethal weapon. Was that where this conversation started?
"[Eliot] is the closest to Nate in not thinking himself a thief," explained Rogers.
"There are situations where a certain amount of brute force is required, he applies precisely the amount of brute force, and no more, no less…
He considers himself a negotiator, not a thug.
Just sometimes you have to hit the person you're negotiating with several times."
Mr Rogers explains what Eliot's thought processed are beautifully here!
What Eliot definitely is not, is someone who kills first and asks questions later.
My main "problem" (if you can call it that) with Parker and Hardison "acting tough/violent" is the whole team/member is put in danger too. Two examples for Parker:
The Lost Heir Job - going up against city cops? (Nate was attending a court case IN that city)
The Stork Job - going it alone against many, many men with guns (in a foreign country!) - but eventually needing the whole team to help her/kids escape.
2 examples for Hardison:
The 12 Step Job - He fires a gun!
E says: Good job Hardison, shooting at the car's engine..
H : I was aiming for his legs,knees or something, sorry can't remember exactly what,but..
The Miracle Job - Yeah, "somebody's got to fight the injured" but Eliot and him were outnumbered, while Eliot had a gun to the gang leader to speak up...
So to me Hardison is very FUNNY and Parker is just absolutely QUIRKY. :)
I meant "Eliot's thought processes"..
One more thing about the reference to Lethal Weapon, yes i remember CK saying Hardison & him perhaps shared some similarities to that duo in the way they didn't get along,sometimes!
Not seeing the hazards.
Parker, Lost Heir: She and Eliot were already confronting the police; tasering the second guy removed the threat rather than increasing it.
Parker, Stork: She didn't endanger anyone by getting violent with the fork. She endangered the team by trying to steal the kids, but that wasn't a violent attack on an armed gang. It was a sneak attack. She only resorted to violence when trapped.
Hardison, 12 Step: They were already in a fight and Hardison didn't point the gun in Eliot's direction.
Hardison, Miracle: Eliot already had the situation under control; Hardison didn't destabilize it.
There was also the Second David Job, where Hardison contributed to bringing down the six guys in the office. That didn't endanger anyone. There was also Parker's demonstration of what Eliot was teaching her in the Tap-Out Job, which kinda put Hardison in danger...
The Lethal Weapon reference has more to do with the way Eliot and Hardison bicker than anything else, I suspect.
A good smootch for Gina!
I suppose we will be seeing more of that... Slap! Nope. :) I could actually feel that one.
It took you long enough. :)
@ Shelley - THANK YOU for the information on Season 2's DVD. 3 months seems too long but it could have been July!
So -- when do we get the episode where Michael Caine and Robert Duvall show up as Eliot's mentors? (Just saw Secondhand Lions... :) ) ---KRAD
LOVE “Secondhand Lions”! I also love the suggestion. Maybe they could be Eliot’s crotchety uncles in need of the team’s help but they keep getting in the way? It could cause a great deal of annoyance for Eliot and the writers seem to like Eliot best when he is annoyed!
http://www.cinemablend.com/dvdnews/Leverage-Season-2-Robs-From-The-Rich-On-DVD-May-25th-23046.html
Posted a previous comment but was curious if the team will ever take on the Smithsonian in D.C at some point? I can totally seeing the team having a feild day with that one!
Again Awesome show, only thing I watch anymore-and now I have nothing to watch since there's no new episodes- Keep up the good work and thanks very much!
@Nina May
My apologies. You were right. The forums are subject to the same evils of most forums. *sigh* and it seemed so pretty, too.
Was just running through the ep again, and am I right to say that Nate's call/Sophie's helicopter scene was filmed a really long time ago, around ep 7? I notice her hair is much shorter, and her face is thinner than it was when she appeared at the end of the ep.
Also, just to add on, I kinda felt that Tara's departure was pretty undercooked. She'd become a vital and important member of the cast and team, as evidenced by her calling Sophie in to save them, and although you guys did an awesome job of bringing Sophie back in style, I felt Tara's departure should have been given more weight. It just felt very abrupt and unconvincing that she would just say "bye guys!" and they'd just let her leave like that. Any reasons?
Nevertheless, Leverage is still my favourite show on television. I'm proud to say I've gotten quite a few people hooked on it, friends, my sister, and even a teacher. Haha! Rock on, Lev team =D
@Navin Chandran said...
Don't you think Sophie was wearing a wig with longer hair to be Annie Kroy? Unless Gina Bellman's hair grows incredibly fast, that is a LOT of hair to grow in a few months.
FWIW, I asked my boss (mother of 4) who says that prenatal vitamins make your hair grow faster.
I'm wondering about Tara's abrupt exit. I'm hoping it wasn't really an exit; I guess we'll see, eh?
@Rogers:Americans are grown-ups, why do politicians treat them like children?
Because they want them to be like children. Children are easier to please.
@Sherri
Apologies accepted, of course, and without a force-choke at that :) Just sorry they didn't live up to the shiny for you either. I think it's something about the way in which they're public - everyone and no one has ownership. On a blog like this one, there's a pervasive feel of being guests in another's playground, which keeps us all better behaved, I guess. A little, at least.
Sigh. The Internet is Hard.
So I've been thinking about Tara's abrupt departure. (Because I'm addicted to this show and can think of little else. I have a Kung Fu Monkey on my back.) It was jarring and discomfiting, but Tara's that kind of person. She likes to shake people up, to go against expectations. That's one of the things that made her fun to watch with the crew - they've gotten used to each other, and Tara kept doing things they didn't expect. (Like dropping the towel!) She also seems totally unsentimental - she'd become friends with the crew, but she's not the type for long goodbyes. With Tara you're probably lucky to get *any* goodbye. She made sure Sophie agreed their debt was settled, she said "ciao", and she got away before the cops came. Most importantly, the latter: right before she left, the sirens could be heard and she said, "They're playing my song." Her departure might have been less abrupt if they hadn't all been about to be arrested!
@Rogers @GinaFan Children are easier to control and manipulate.
@Nina Mae
Yes, many people behave better when they think they are being watched.
Just saw a little snippet in TV Guide
http://www.tvguide.com/News/NBC-Kelley-Bruckheimer-1013553.aspx
that NBC is picking up a remake of The Rockford Files. Now, I know that recycling is the trend in Hollywood. I'm wondering if this is in response to the success Leverage is having (because Rockford Files are an acknowledged influence). I'm curious, of course, if the show will be any good and if they are aiming at the same audience (I guess time slot will reveal all). Is this exciting news for the Leverage crew, or daunting? Will we see any Leverage style influences on the "reimagined" show, or was The Rockford Files very much a show set in the 1970s?
(Hey, I have to fiddle with something while waiting for summer.)
Three questions, if you please...
In the season 2 finale, was Elliot lying when he said, "Nate, I can take these guys"?
Why can't/won't Sterling steer clear of Nate and co.? Is it that he just wants to keep using Nate to further his career, or is it that Nate is the closest thing to a friend that he has?
I just wanna say that I love the show. Also - I have warm, mushy feelings for you because you answer all of my geeky questions. That is all.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong, but every kiss this season involved handcuffs (207, 212, 215).
Is this just a coincidence or, to paraphrase Hardison, are y'all just nasty?
Why can't/won't Sterling steer clear of Nate and co.? Is it that he just wants to keep using Nate to further his career,
Come to think of it, Sterling hasn't ever set out to exploit the team for his own advancement. The closest he came is using them to spring Maggie, but he didn't drive the outcome. He's just been in position to exploit the outcome.
He wouldn't see any need to avoid them. Four of them are some of the best thieves in the world, with really long careers. They're his natural prey. Them going all soft-hearted now doesn't erase their pasts. Rescuing Nate from their influence isn't his primary motivation, but it needs to be done and he wouldn't shy away from doing it.
So we are fast approaching 300 posts for this finale ...
Yes, it's been confirmed that is Rogers gibbering in a corner wondering what sort of monster he created when he decided to answer fan posted questions on his blog. :)
wv: habiti -- rehab for people who vacation on southern Pacific islands
Yes, it's been confirmed that is Rogers gibbering in a corner wondering what sort of monster he created when he decided to answer fan posted questions on his blog. :)
Oh, we've seen signs of this since mid Season 1....
294. ;-)
Okay, so, will we see Kane rappel in S3? He's the only one who hasn't done that yet.
(Which brings up the question, does Eliot need a harness, or would he just grab the end of the rope and jump?)
Also, with shooting starting today, shall we start a pool on how Kane manages to injure himself this year and how long it takes him to do it?
And just how much do the Leverage insurance people drink?
@ SueN
Mutant Healing Factor!
Caught this on IF Magazine
http://ifmagazine.com/new.asp?article=9390
I'm now scared.
BTW, Mr. Rogers, THANK YOU for the Aldis/Beth photo love on Twitter today.
The Question: to comment or not to comment? Whether 'tis nobler in form to reseve achievement of 300 comments for the season 3 opener, or by succumbing to temptation break such symbolic symmetry of record beforehand, and by succumbing, forestall it....
Well, crap. *dithers Hamletically, then, true to form, acts chaotically, and on instinct*
I guess I couldn't resist adding my little bit to get us to 300. 300 plucky comments, standing fearlessly in the remote question post mountain pass, awaiting the onrushing hordes of ... er ... not sure, actually. Roger's remaining sanity HPs?
THIS. IS. FANDOM!!!!
By the way, to make this a not-entirely-pointless-comment, I was thinking the other day about the tweaking of the format, what elements pop and what don't. I have to say that, for all the clever capers and competence porn and taking down ratbags and sympathetic client sagas and whatnot, what makes the show for me is the characters, together. My favourite scenes from each show are nearly always the ones where they're all in a group, talking. The interplay between all of them is crazy awesome chemistry. I know you can't do an entire episode with them all standing around talking and snarking, but that's the heart and soul of the show, as far as I'm concerned. Moar plz?
Great episode and a great season! You guys did a really great job switching out a loved character (Sophie) for a new one (Tara). Not a lot of shows I've watched have successfully added a new cast member without the fans kind of hating it.
Two questions: 1. When does Season 3 start up? and 2. Will we see more Parker/Eliot team ups in Season 3? There really is a great chemistry between the two actors that I enjoy. Of course, Parker seems to have an odd, yet awesome chemistry with everyone. She's quickly becoming one of my favorite television characters ever.
Last night, when I should have been going to bed, I found the abridged version of "The Nigerian Job". While I am a purist and prefer the extended version, the shot of Eliot, Hardison and Parker all looking at Nate when he regains consciousness (after the explosion) is a great shot. That is the most amazing thing about Leverage - I can watch episodes over and over and can find, or appreciate, something new every time!
@Sherri and @NinaMay
I can hack the personalities. They come with the territory on an unmoderated board. I can avoid the den of Kane-loving fangirls. No sweat. I can even handle the sign-on, bitch and they're gone posters that litter the TNT board, even if they can't decide whether they hate Tara and love Sophie, or love Tara and are tired of Sophie.
What brings me up short and sends me running into the night is this one poster who dives at every new poster like an electronic version of Reese Witherspoon in Election, gives them a wet kiss of a welcome and brands them all "hon." Jesus, lady, buy me a drink first.
299. We'll leave 300 for the episode.
300 ...here we go...
@SueN
I'm in. I'd say ( since he post on twitter that day#1 end up 'stichless')well... shooting for ep3.
...we don't have to guess what kind of injury , don't we???
Well, crap, it ate my comment! (Is that a sign from the Monkey gods? Is 300 the sacred number?)
Take 2 …
@Sam73, cool, a pool! I'll take ep 6, since that seems to be a trend. Ep 6 in S1 was The Stork Job, where he had the case of road rash from the midnight-football faceplant. Ep in S2 was Top Hat Job, and I think we all remember *that* one. So, yeah, ep 6 it is.
I don't think we necessarily have to say what kind of injury, though, again going from his history, anything facial seems a good bet. *g*
@Gordon, Sherri and NinaMay, ah, the TNT boards. (*shudder*) I think what most annoys me about them is that, for all the ardent declarations by posters of their deepest devotion to the show, many of them don't actually seem to know anything about it. For instance, the whole "What have they done with Sophieeee?" drama went on right up until the last ep, as if no one had *ever* explained why Gina was stepping back. There's just very little *real* discussion of the show, the characters, etc., beyond gushing over Nate/Sophie, trying to decide whether Hardison or Eliot should end up with Parker and mooning over Eliot's hair and biceps. (And I say that as someone with an utter and unabashed lust for all things Kane. *g*)
Maybe that's why we lunatics have taken over this asylum. There seems to be a fair number of us who crave not just information about but real discussion of this show in all its addictive glory.
Might I recommend the discussion forum at Television Without Pity?
http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/index.php?showtopic=3174477&view=getnewpost
Moderated to prevent bad behavior but not biased.
Not a question about the Maltese Falcon job, but a suggestion: I think Rick Santelli is trying to get your attention.
The TNT forum isn't bad, actually, if you stick to the episode threads and one or two others that are episode related. There's a group there trying to have some reasonably good discussion, but they're badly out numbered.
On the other hand, there isn't enough money on planet Earth to get me near TWOP.
@SueN Who are you to decide what is a good discussion about Leverage? Nate and Sophie are a part of the show, a huge part, in fact, a canon couple, any discussion about them is relevant. People actually have other favorite characters besides Eliot, you know.
Not every casual fan knows what's going on in actors' private lives, there were bound to be folks who had no idea and just went there to show support for the character they love. I'm glad there was such an outcry for Sophie coming back everywhere. It just shows how much people love Gina as Sophie.
@Anonymous, I'm pretty much the *only* one who can decide what is or isn't a good discussion *for me*, and which discussions *I* want to get involved in. Believe me, I know how important to the show the whole Nate/Sophie relationship is, but that's not *all* I want to discuss.
I want to discuss the episodes, *all* the characters and their interactions and relationships with each other, their development, the writing, etc. And that just doesn't happen on the TNT boards. Which means, there's not much there that interests *me*.
I am at heart a character junkie. Yes, I love Eliot and I am fully capable of having a shallow fangirl moment when Rogers throws us a wet!Eliot in a 'beater. But I'm much more interested in how Eliot went from, "it's every man for himself" in the pilot to the guy who was willing to take on an entire boatload of armed federal agents to get his team out in ep 215. That's a character arc in itself, and those are like chocolate to me.
I want to know who these people are, how they got to where they are now and where they go from here. And until those discussions are as viable and active a part of the TNT boards as "OMG, Eliot is a hottie!" or "How dare TPTB shove Gina aside for that show-killer Jeri Ryan!" then, no, there won't be much there of any interest *to me*.
Interesting I don't see you on the TNT board making any effort to start a discussion like that. It's easy to take cheap shots; why not put your money where your mouth is?
Meanwhile, you and yours have hijacked this blog and turned it into your special discussion area, flooding Rogers with irrelevant comments, and delaying his responses to the questions and comments this blog is supposed to be about.
@anonymous -
I think you have probably proven @SueN's point! LOL She identifies herself and doesn't hide behind an anonymous title.
Please- lets keep this area free of all the name calling and middle school drama. Please.
I watched the episode for yet another time last night and thought of something I never caught before.
Why would Eliot not just uncuff Nate's hand that was IN THE HANDCUFF and not the cuff on the desk?
I know I know - get on the fun train!
@annonymous:
Unfortunately, starting a discussion like that doesn't usually get you very far if most of the people you'll be talking with aren't interested in maintaining it. It's not like some of us haven't had some experience with this sort of thing. And Melissa is right; defending TNT while saying "put your money where your mouth is", and talking about cheap shots, while remaining annonymous is probably not going to convince us that the kind of discussion we're looking for is likely to found there.
Meanwhile, you and yours have hijacked this blog and turned it into your special discussion area,
The fact that you don't seem to be able to enjoy the discussion that happens here for its own sake also makes it seem unlikely. I'm sure your comments are not representative of everyone on the TNT boards, but that's still the impression it creates. And, since we're lumping people together, and since I've been an active party in the hijacking, I'll take it that I'm part of what you call SueN's "you and yours". So I can answer for some of it.
flooding Rogers with irrelevant comments, and delaying his responses to the questions and comments this blog is supposed to be about.
As someone else has pointed out, Rogers has hardly placed restrictions on what can be said in these posts; general snark, comments, questions, theories have all been the order of the day. Perhaps he enjoys the "irrelevant" comments. Perhaps he enjoys the feedback. He certainly invites it.
We can't know why he puts up with us, or that he's sick of us, until he tells us so. Your accusation that it's the volume of the comments that keeps him from posting answers, rather than, oh I don't know, running a show is an assumption at best. We could also allow him autonomy in deciding what his blog is supposed to be about.
@ChelseaNH: I went over and checked out Leverage on TWoP, and the discussion seemed decent – but the whole thing being one thread with 170+ pages put me off. I can handle several hundred comments, but that many is too much, even for me. Maybe some time when I have a few days spare.... :)
@Anonymous: Interesting I don't see you on the TNT board making any effort to start a discussion like that.
Actually, I've posted to several threads at the TNT boards. Under the username SueN. Discussing episodes and such. You know, the threads that have gone nowhere.
As for hijacking *this* boat, unless my reading ain't what it used to be, we're still discussing Leverage here. And until Rogers himself hands down a C&D, or throws out more shiny to distract us, I don't see why we can't continue to amuse ourselves. I enjoy the interaction among other Leverage fands as much as I enjoy picking Rogers' brain.
I'm also not sure how *we've* delayed Rogers from answering anything. Seems to me filming and writing S3, as well as the unnamed "family issues" he mentions in the Zanzibar post-game, might have more to do with that.
(Also, me and mine? I feel like Tara. "Dogs? Do I have dogs?")
And now I'm waiting for Dad to ask if he needs to pull the car over and come back here …
You may have answered this before, but how often are the team members together in between jobs? I imagine each are still doing their own thing as opportunities for theft, hacking, retrieval, etc. come up. What kind of schedule are they on, how do they decide when to come together for a team job and when to go solo?
Will we see an episode where they need all 5 members of the team but one of them is off on a solo job? I was going to ask what if one of them needs to be rescued but ep 301 would be about rescuing Nate I assume.
Thanks so much for doing answering the questions.
Looking forward to the season 2 dvd. Will it be subtitled?
Another question: what would happen if they're on a job and Sophie gets recognized as Annie Kroy or any of her other aliases? I know she's good but you have mentioned that there are jobs that go badly.
So, I was reading a bunch of stuff about Sophie burying Sophie, and I feel like bringing Gina back with a new name and a newly created character is a bad idea. For one, Nate fell in love with Sophie, not some other chick, and for another, I'm not entirely convinced that, whatever Sophie's real name is, she's kind of... become Sophie Devereaux.
Sophie loves Nate, and I've never seen Sophie's aliases hurt. Sophie though, she DOES get hurt. I guess what I'm getting at is: Is Sophie Devereaux even an alias anymore?
And one more thing I'm not sure on. Does Nate hate Sterling, or is there still some residual friendship. I know they were best friends once upon a time, and probably had some friendly competition, but does Nate just hate him now? And does Sterling hate Nate?
What Tim told us at ConCon about the scene where Nate calls Sophie makes me wonder if Sophie's line at the end after they kissed and she slapped him would've been any different. Maybe she'd say: "You call me, you tell me you love me so you can do this?" Or was it always "you need me" in the script?
I have mixed feelings about it, I really want to hear Nate say those words but maybe it wasn't the most perfect time to say them since she wasn't there with him and she couldn't hear him. It's better he says it to her in person so she can say it back and we get another lovely and romantic scene between them.
Did you guys end up talking about it after the con or was that it? :P What did Gina think about this last change in the script?
If I may add: What did you think about Tim changing this line?
One more thing (and an actual real!question this time). Did Eliot (or any of them) realize Nate had been shot?
There seems to be something in the way he looks at Nate just before he walks away that indicates he did, but it could also have been Eliot just being Eliot (and none too happy with Nate, or the world in general, at that moment).
I do think that, of all of them, he'd be the most likely one to read the signs and clue in, but, then again, they were all a bit distracted at the time, eh? ;-)
One last question, I swear (unless, you know, something else occurs to me). I watched the ep again today (had to do *soemthing* while the oven cleaner set, right?), and something suddenly struck me.
Parker and Tara on the rooftop. Hardison alerting Parker to Tara's possible betrayal. He alerted Parker via earbuds. Why didn't Tara hear?
And, yeah, even now, the ending still guts me. Evil bastard.
My mom doesn't like the Nate-as-a-drunk storyline, and is interested in knowing if Nate is going to sober up again (for good) in season three. (I personally like the emotional stuff that comes along with the drinking, but that's just me.)
Also, when Nate was talking to Sophie over the phone and Sophie was in the plane/helicopter, could she really hear him? Because later she said "You need me" and that made it seem like she really had heard him, but on the phone she kept saying she couldn't...
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alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
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obat ambeien wasir paling manjur mengobati penyakit wasir ambeien tanpa efek samping terbuat dari bahan alami herbal seperti daun ungu mahkota dewa kunyit putih
Apabila menemukan ada daging atau seperti Kutil yang tumbuh di area kemaluan atau alat ...
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