Saturday, January 17, 2009

Food For Thought: Shadows on the Wall

My favorite book is Wizard's First Rule by Terry Goodkind (please, no judging). I mean, I LOVE this book. Of my list of five books I'd take with me to a deserted island, it sits at the top. I can't really say why, either. It certainly isn't the best book I've ever read or the most well written (and the last several books of that series get bogged down with the author's ideology which make them difficult to get through), but there's something about the story, the characters, and the way everything unfolds that I find myself rereading all 820 pages at least once a year.

So imagine my surprise when I discovered that there is now a television show based on that book. Like any fan, I sat down to watch the show, but was completely surprised by how different it was from what I was expecting. I wasn't expecting a Lord of the Rings quality adaptation and knew it would have a tone more along the lines of Xena or Hercules (which it does), so as a WFR fanboy, my expectations were pretty grounded. But as I watched through the episodes, I noticed that the show, the story, was, well, different.

This, of course, made sense. Things would have to be changed. Telling a story through nearly a thousand pages of text is different from telling it visually in 42 minute chunks. Some scenes would have to be abridged, if not outright cut, certain characters would have to be molded and shaped in a way to make them sympathetic much more quickly than what a writer can get away with in a novel, story structure would have to be more rigidly formatted for t.v. than the looser stylings of prose. All of this got me to wondering. How much does the medium within which a story is being told dictate the story itself? When the mediums change, does the story cease being one story and become another?

I don't know and I'm sure that's something that can be debated about in comments. But my point here isn't to find an answer to the question, but to think about story itself. Without walking too far into Plato's cave, I'm talking about the TRUE story, the one that's sitting in your head right now. What medium best serves THAT story? And be honest with yourself. Just because you want to write a stageplay doesn't necessarily mean that it's the best medium for the story.

Every medium has its pros and cons (I'm referring more toward the creative aspect of writing for a medium as opposed to working within a medium--different animals). As Sensei Waid has said numerous times before, comics is a visual medium. If your story isn't very visual, comics might not be the best medium for it. So it's a matter of finding which medium will work best for that story.

This may sound a little backwards since most writers probably find a story that best serves a medium rather than the other way around. But if you have a story gelling in your brain that you're struggling to tell the way you want to, it's possible that it's the medium that's the problem. Anway, food for thought.

So how 'bout it, fellow monkeys? What's your favorite adaptation of a story from one medium to another? Least favorite?


Rogers said...

I will toss CATWOMAN in now, so no one else need waste time doing it. Now move on. :P

Cerandor said...

The Fellowship of the Ring. The latter movies dipped into slapstick a bit too much for comfort, but the first one nailed the tone and hit pretty much every necessary plot point. The casting, costume design and look of the whole enterprise formed a near-perfect whole.

JD Rhoades said...

I see that "legend of the Seeker' preserved the soft-core BDSM porn elements of the Goodkind books.

Anonymous said...

Going to have to say that "30 Days of Night" has to be the most faithful adaption of a comic to the silver screen that I've seen so far. It's so spot on with the look and mood of the comic that it just about blew me away when I saw it.

scooter5203249 said...

Easy. My favorite adaptations (and in my opinion the best)are the ones that Timothy Hutton, Michael Jaffe et al did with the Nero Wolfe stories. Least favorite are most of the movies adapted from Stephen King novels. "The Shining" - the Jack Nicolson version - is the exception.

Doctor Jay said...

Favorite: LA Confidential. Brilliant adaptation, despite major surgery. Also, The Hunt For Red October also had major surgery, not that I noticed while watching.

Least Favorite: Disney's The Black Cauldron, and adaptation of Lloyd Alexander's five-book classic. Which they apparently decided to squeeze into one 90 minute animated feature.

Yes, I'm old.

OutOfContext said...

Favorite music to film-Tales of Hoffman...

Every adaptation should be labeled "inspired by" because the act of adaptation is as much interpretation as translation. That's a good thing.
By definition, something that is absolutely faithful has no reason for existing.
I'm a relativist and believe that the TRUE story sitting in my head right now is going to change, no matter what medium I use to express it. That's good too. If it got too pure, you'd be living my life and, believe me, you don't want to do that.
On the other hand, I believe some people are born with tendencies toward the novelist, the diarist, the dramatist, etc...So in that sense you are able to translate what's in your head more satisfactorily.

@scooter--I really thought Secret Window improved on the King novella.

Joshua James said...

GOODFELLAS (from the non-fiction book WISEGUY) was an excellent adaptation ... and I'd also throw in THE PLAYER as well.

LA CONFIDENTIAL, someone else already mentioned.

Least favorite? Shoot, they are legion. Off the top of my head, I'd say the adaptation of A PRAYER FOR OWEN MEANY ... which was so different from the novel they changed the name of the main character (I can't even remember it, it was a Jim Carrey film) and a load of other things, so much so I couldn't finish watching it.

Chris said...

I think my favorite adaptation would have to be Shawshank Redemption. The novella is fine but I think that Robbins and Freeman bring so much to the characters that I honestly think it overshadows the source material.

Least favorite that I've seen: Stardust. I was so disappointed by this. Even knowing that it had to be changed and tweaked, I was really hoping that it wouldn't become too Hollywood, but it was. I'm skipping Coraline.

That I've not seen: Nick & Norah's Infinite Playlist. The book is an economical and unconventional romance across one night told by the two narrators in alternating chapters. I love it. The trailers made it look like a madcap romp with wacky friends and slapstick and... no. Thank you.

Winterman said...



Blade (1), Cider House Rules, Contact, Gulliver's Travels, Middle Man and, of course, Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

Dresden Files gets an Honorable Mention.

Winterman said...

least fave.


Birds of Prey ( how they screwed that up, I'll never know).

cleter said...

Best book-to-movie adaptation?

Silence of the Lambs.

Don't believe me? Read "Red Dragon" and "Silence of the Lambs" back-to-back, then watch "Manhunter" (the first movie, and truly crappy, version of Red Dragon) and "Silence of the Lambs" back-to-back.

The David Lynch "Dune." That was the worst movie I have ever seen in a theater.

Dremiel said...

Persuasion. The version with Amanda Root and Cairan Hinds.

STILL the best Austen adaptation out there. It translated the emotion and tone of the book perfectly and stayed faithful to the text while managing to make it feel like it should have a been a visual story all along. There are great moments in the movie, looks and expressions, that I "see" when I reread the book.

taellosse said...

I think the worst adaptation that springs to mind readily is Earthsea. That, and maybe Mists of Avalon. Both were so terrible that I was unable to force myself to watch more than the first episode of each respective mini-series (what's the plural of that, by the way? I mean, when you're talking about more than one mini-series. Mini-serieses? Mini-serii?).

Regarding Stardust, it's not a very good adaptation, I'll grant, but its a pretty good movie in its own right. At least, I enjoy it. My wife adores it, but she's never read the book.

Fellowship of the Ring, I have to agree, is right up there in terms of well done adaptations. I think that may be my favorite as well. The problem is it's a whole lot easier to do such an adaptation badly than well, so there are a lot more of the former that come to my mind than the latter.

I, too, love Wizard's First Rule--it feels kind of like early Heinlein, but with deeper characters (not that Richard isn't still a Mary Sue sort of character much of the time, but it still works). I have been avoiding Legend of the Seeker as a result--I have heard nothing positive about it, and am afraid to see what they've done.

nick said...

Re: The Shining

I remember reading an interview with Stephen King a long time ago where he was talking about adaptations of his books, and he said something about the movie of The Shining that I think might be worth mentioning here.

I am not going to remember it verbatim, and won't try. But the gist of it was that King thought that the movie was a good movie, but that Kubrick had missed something fundamental to the story from the book. Kubrick's approach to the story was too rational - he was unable to grasp some of the supernatural essence of the story line. If I remember correctly, essentially what King had written (at least in his own mind, others can dissect the text however they want) was that Jack Torrance was essentially a good guy everyman who is malevolently corrupted by the evil spirit of the hotel. But in the movie, from the very first time you are introduced to Jack Nicholson, the Crazy is sitting on his shoulder, pouring a cup of tea, waiting to be introduced to the guests so rudely interrupting his parlor time.

Again, King liked the movie, his point was that Kubrick's interpretation was overly rational for the story he had written.

I always thought that was a pretty interesting line of thought - and it is, indeed a wonderful movie. But it is also the only book I have ever read which terrified me. Granted, I was ten or eleven years old and reading it by flashlight under the covers late at night, but I was compeletely out of my mind shivering nightmares terrified. The movie didn't do that.


On another note - why are people so down on Stardust? It is a fairy tale, after all. I, too, preferred the book - but the adaptation was not so all-fired horrible as to warrant mention on a worst-of-all-time list.

As far as people who are always getting screwed by adaptations - I have to go with Alan Moore (as I have mentioned here before). Even if it does seem to be at least partly his own fault for being such an intractable whack job (although by all accounts a very pleasant, civil, and approachable intractable whack job), I can't think of anyone else who has so consistently produced work of startling originality and quality only to have the adaptations fall woefully short on both metrics.

nick said...

oh, and the Owen Meany adaptation was called Simon Birch, and was awful in comparison to the book. But the book is SO good, that I am not sure that is giving the movie a fair shake.

Not that I think the movie is some secret gem or anything, I am just not sure that, if i saw the movie without having read the book, I would think it that crappy.

Doctor Science said...

The two best filmed adaptations ever (IMHO, YMMV, etc) are: The Lathe of Heaven and Sense and Sensibility. What they have in common is that the original books are second-string novels by first-string authors.

A movie is the length of a novella (120 pp max), while to do a novel (250-800pp) justice requires a miniseries. A second-rate novel might make a first-rate movie, because the novel won't suffer if at least half of it is thrown out; a great novel *cannot* be a great movie, because movies are just too short.

The worst -- how high can you count? Earthsea was atrocious by all accounts, but I never saw it. I have severe problems with Peter Jackson's LOTR, though compared to the earlier tries it's *wonderful* -- I just can't watch it calmly, and I'm really glad I was spoiled for Faramir's characterization before I saw it, because otherwise I would probably have been arrested for disturbing the peace and, quite possibly, burning the theater to the ground (we're talking about my first imaginary boyfriend here, I may have been a bit invested).

Doctor Science said...

Forgot to mention that I agree with Doctor Jay, that The Hunt for Red October is in the rare, rare category of movies that are better than the books they're adapted from. IMHO this is because the book is a positive orgy of "Tell, Don't Show" and gives away the biggest psychological plot point in the first 4-5 pages. The book is *bad*, so trimming it down to an 120-p screenplay made it better, tighter, more alive.

Winterman said...

the First LATHE OF HEAVEN was beautiful. the second was pretty good too. can't believe i forgot that.

Richard said...

I have to agree with LA CONFIDENTIAL, HUNT FOR RED OCTOBER and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS (the filmed LAMBS is substantially better than the novel version, IMHO), but I have to say that my favorite adaptation from novel to film has to be THE KILLERS. Even overlooking the wonderful expansion of the material, the adaptation of the short story is soooooo dead-on it's scary.

kimshum said...

Book to mini? From last year: Generation Kill, which about five people watched (including me). It couldn't have been more faithful; you think you're watching brilliant writing play out in front of you until you realize that yeah, those Marines really did say that as they invaded Iraq, oftentimes word-for-word. What tweaks they made were done to include more heart-wrenching/unbelievable/hilarious situations from the book (or to make the military jargon a bit more accessible). You have to give credit to David Simon and Ed Burns. And that crazy reporter who embedded with the first guys in and didn't leave despite getting shot at in open-top, unarmored Humvees.

Book to movie? Possibly ruining all my credibility here, but I thought Clueless was a hilarious adaptation/parody of Jane Austen's Emma.

Mark Waid said...

Best adaptation I've ever seen: Roald Dahl turning his classic short-story "Man from the South" into the first episode of his own half-hour anthology, TALES OF THE UNEXPECTED. Short-story-to-TV-episode is harder to screw up than novel-to-movie.

Alan Scott said...

V for Vendetta is really good. Better, I think, than its source material (blasphemy, I know). I don't think the movie was as morally ambiguous as it could have been, but Alan Moore was so all-over-the-place with the original comic that the movie shines in comparison.

Congo was a major disappointment. It's one of my favorite Michael Crichton books, an such a horrible, horrible movie.

the rev. paperboy said...

can we expand our focus past the last few years -- how about a little movie called "Casablanca" adapted from the play "Everybody Comes to Rick's" or the Maltese Falcon or the Big Sleep?

Terry Bleizeffer said...

My wife and I both love Wizard's First Rule (and the next few books in the series as well). We were ignorantly excited about the TV show. We made it through one and a half episodes before we gave up and turned it off, never to return. There were plenty of problems with it, but there was one main problem that neither of us could overcome -- in the TV show, Richard was a whiny, weak character who kept screwing things up. He wasn't the Seeker.

Regarding mediums, I agree about The Shining - great book, great movie, and for completely different reasons.

jimhenshaw said...

Favorite: "Deliverance"

Least Successful: "Striptease"

Mooney said...

As to favorite, I'd echo a lot of what others have said, and add "Master & Commander: The Far Side of the World". That film managed to adapt several elements of O'Brian's books into a good-for-the-screen narrative, and did so with economy and wit.

Least favorite; there's an episode of the most recent version of "The Outer Limits" that was adapted from the Larry Niven story "Inconstant Moon" that stick in my mind. Just really missed the whole point of the story, had all the details but none of the heart.

And, of course, "Starship Troopers" . Gah. I used to like Verhoeven, but after that? Fuggedabouddit.

Scott said...

My favourite's "The Talented Mr. Ripley" because it's a brilliant example of how to play to different media.

In her original novel, Patricia Highsmith had the space and wisdom to slowly pull the reader into Ripley's ruthless headspace, to make the reader complicit in his icy logic that makes murder acceptable.

In his film adaption, Anthony Minghella couldn't do any of that so he played up Ripley's homosexual leanings and outcast status, cast prettyboy Matt Damon at his most sensitive, and let the audience *feel* their way into Ripley's murderous spiral.

The end result of both novel and film are the same: the audience are left rooting for a monster, their moral compasses left spinning!

Mark Waid said...

No, no, no. I'm crazy. I misspoke. I forgot. The best, most dead-on crossmedia adaptation I can think of is from the '90s syndicated TWILIGHT ZONE run--Alan Brennert adapted Tom Godwin's bleak classic "The Cold Equations" masterfully into a half-hour of TV after fighting the network suits to keep the integrity of the grim little story. Terrific work.

Thomas Hill said...

One of the best that hasn't been mentioned is Presumed Innocent. When I attempted to read the book, I told my then girlfriend, "This book sucks but I bet it would make a good movie."

On the other end of the spectrum is Beloved, a fantastic book. But Oprah and gang failed in the adaptation because they tried to be too true to the book. The scenes that are in the movie are absolutely faithful to the book, but the scenes that they didn't have time for are just not there, rendering the movie incomprehensible.

Gen said...

Worst adaptation: "The Postman." David Brin's novel is one of my favorites. What Kevin Costner did to it was unforgivable. I wish someone else would take a stab at it.

Most true adaptation: "Appaloosa." Originally written by Robert B. Parker, adapted by Ed Harris and Robert Knott for the big screen. I could have brought the book with me and followed along during the movie. Some minor changes, but you could see why they made them. Some of what worked on the page just would not have translated to the movie version.

About Wizard's First Rule, and Legend of the Seeker: I started watching the show with the idea firmly in mind that the show would NOT be the book. And now I like them both for what they are. Doesn't hurt that I enjoy brain candy on TV now and again.

Alex Epstein said...

The #1 book I would take to a desert island would be HOW TO GET YOURSELF OFF A FRAKKING DESERT ISLAND.

Just saying.

Michael said...

I heard about WFR BECAUSE they were making a show about it. Loved the first book and have just finished the fourth, so even though I watch the first couple of eps of Legend of the Seeker and found them to be horrible, at least I've found a book series I'm fond of. I'd expect Mr. Goodkind would be pleased enough with that.

Adaptation favs:
Have to agree with V for Vendetta, and let's just throw in Watchmen now on pure hope and speculation.

Stephen King has been mentioned alot so I'll say ABC's The Stand set the marker for all mini series afterward. Just compare that to ...ugh... Langoliers.

Because I have children, I thought Road to Terabitha was very well done. The promos make you think it's Narnia part III, but I found the movie faithful and the casting of the kids terrific.

Charlie Wilson's War was excellently done too. Aaron Sorkin capture most of the hijinks in the screenplay, but the book still has a lot to say if you haven't read it.

Least favs:
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy- Not because it was awful, just because it was messing with my childhood. The ultimate computer felt wrong.

Marvel's Ultimates direct to DVD video. Why spend the money if you are going to do it so poorly. If DC can get New Frontier right, you know it can be done.

Keith said...

The stage play (and ballet) versions of Dracula are far more effective then the book ever could be. Maybe it's me and my aversion to novels told through correspondence, which was a very popular form of storytelling int he 19th century but not really one that resonates for me here in the 21st century. But the story just works on stage.

Keith said...

I'll be the contrarian here: I love the LOTR movies far more then the books. A faithful adaptation of the books would have been an 18 hour long musical and trust me, no one wants to see hobbits singing folk songs for that long.

The changes to the story were not only necessary to make the movies work, they improved on the story. Tolkien was an obsessive language freak who spent over a decade writing a frame narrative so he could play with languages that he made up. It's bordering on Outsider Literature. Brilliant Outsider Lit but still Henry Darger territory.

Nicole said...

Neil Gaiman has a quote along the lines of "the original story is safe between its covers". I also see it as sort of like oral traditions - each telling is different but the story is the same. So really, somewhere in the middle?

Except when it isn't. Like, say, the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie. ::shudders:: (The comic was brilliant, and maybe not cut out to be told as a movie or mini series, but seriously? Seriously?) Which gives you my least favorite in all its horrific glory.

As for my favorite... Hm. Much harder. Wizard of Oz has always been close to my heart - classic, and I grew up on it. I was also a fan of the Dresden Files TV Show. Green Mile, maybe...

Although, I'm interested... do you ever see Leverage translated to another medium?

SH said...

"hen watch "Manhunter" (the first movie, and truly crappy, version of Red Dragon)"

Madness! Manhunter is aces, unfortunate 80s score aside, and Brian Cox is a better Lector than Hopkins. THERE, I SAID IT. Hopkins is only scary in Silence because Foster sells her being scared.

I'll second The Maltese Falcon, and all the nods to LA Confidential, which is a truly exceptional adaptation of what by all rights ought to have been an unfilmable book. Fight Club is another favourite, and arguably a case where the adaptation improved on the source material. A Scanner Darkly...I have no idea. It definitely scores high on faithfulness, and I like it a lot, but then I loved the book. I've clue how it would work for people going in cold.

Least favourite? Probably Constantine, just for my love of the character (although the screenplay is awash with silliness as well). Turning a con man magician who hates guns into Keanu Reeves toting a golden, cross-shaped shotgun? Nononono. Him quitting smoking in the end? So phenomenally wrong we're not even on the same continent in terms of character.

Thomas Hill said...

Hey SH,

Constantine didn't even enter my mind when thinking of worst adaptations. Guess I expunged it from my mind. The casting of Keanu and the chewing gum serve as bookends of blasphemy.

By the way, I had not read A Scanner Darkly before seeing the movie and it worked for me.

Anonymous said...

Dean Kootz always has the worst adaptations Ive ever seen.

I think they did a great job with Nick Hornby's books - I thought High Fidelity & About A Boy captured the spirit of his books pretty well.

In the future I would love to see Infinite Jest on the big screen (3 movies maybe) Please?


GinaFan said...

Mr. Rogers,

I thought you said there was going to be lots o'Gina goodness in Leverage. I have seen the 3 episodes available online and I would have to say there hasn't been much Gina goodness. Not one single snog! Romance almost non-existant!

Where have you been hiding it? Come to think of it, Beth could use a good snog too.

I propose an episode where Gina has to seduce a mark to distract him or something like that, and when she goes into the restaurant or grocery store or wherever he is supposed to be, she accidentally targets the wrong guy because he's wearing the same hat or something. Now she's got to figure out how to ditch the first guy and acquire the second. She does, but the first guy becomes persistant (who could blame him), and Gina kind of likes him so she's trying to be polite. Meanwhile Tim is listening and becoming jealous. You could spend a whole episode on that alone, to make up for the obvoius dry spell. Another 6 episodes!

Winterman said...



Anonymous said...

Good: Gettysburg

Bad: I, Robot

I purposefully haven't seen HHGTG.

Gonna read Gen: Kill to see if it's as good as the movie...

Kid Sis said...

Least favorite is MISTS OF AVALON. Way to make the opposite thesis, guys. Sigh.

Favorite is ENGLISH PATIENT. They took a book of abstract poetry and created a great story.

I thought I AM LEGEND was really disrespectful in totally ignoring the amazing points of Matheson's novella. Very disappointing. It would still make a damn good movie if someone would use the source material, dagnabit.

Another great: A ROOM WITH A VIEW. Lovely tone and fleshing out of the scenes. And...I'll say it... THORN BIRDS. Take that!

SLIVER was the most unintentionally funny and gross adaptation. Though DAMAGE is worth noting. Ick.

Have to second the motions for PERSUASION, SENSE AND SENSIBILITY, and SILENCE OF THE LAMBS. Impressive improvements on the source material. Perhaps a great adaptation requires a great respect for and studying of the source?

Comics-wise, I loved IRON MAN. Scared silly about what they're going to do to my Avengers...please oh please don't give the Scarlet Witch a Zsa Zsa accent...And SIN CITY was great.

When the hell will someone do the on again off again ENDER'S GAME? Someone other than Wolfgang could knock that out of the damn multiplex if they used the boys from SON OF RAMBOW.

Kid Sis said...

Oh! Oh! How about ROXANNE?? And GODFATHER is better as an epic movie than a book.

Kid Sis said...

DEAD ZONE! Walken and Sheen. Total improvement.

Anonymous said...

Trainspotting was dead on. Admittedly there was a lengthy gap between my reading the book and seeing the movie, but I couldn't even think of what they left out.

Bladerunner is my favorite adaptation, as opposed to a straight retelling. Scott managed to capture the feel and the primary question of what it means to be human from Dick's book while wildly deviating from the text.

- lowwall

SH said...

Kid Sis: I Am legend was pretty terrible, agreed. The alternate ending does at least go some way towards touching on those ideas though.

I enjoyed Sin City, but it was definitely one where they were too faithful for their own good. The constant, over the top narration works on a comics page, not so much in a movie.

To quote Harrison Ford, you can write that shit, but you sure as hell can't say it.

Koryou said...

I have to say that with most adaptions from book to movie it doesn't work out; of those I have seen at least. There's one case in which the movie is better than the book, and that is Hunt for Red October. Aside from that they all have the same problem:

The movies try to tell a story in 2 hours - and that means that usually a lot of what makes the book is cut away. Books can give you a lot more insight into the characters, into situations, they describe better.
On the other hand they also leave enough room for imagination, you need some fantasy to complete what you read into a picture in your mind.

Of course there're also cases when there's too much described in a book, I'm just saying Tolkien's The Hobbit, and yes, Lord of the Rings too. In that case I found the movies to be more interesting than the books - but not better - although the adaption was certainly well done.

For me a well written story will always come before a movie, but I'm a bookworm anyway.
I'm very glad that the series Bones isn't a direct adaption of Kathy Reichs' novels, thus not tempting me to compare the two and letting me enjoy each on its own.

Anonymous said...

The Harry Potter movies have been really interesting from an adaptation pov - showing the limits of faithfulness in a world of finite bum-hardness.

In re Wizards First Rule, I've only read this loving deconstruction of the first part.

Thomas said...

Best adaptation of a comic book to the big screen: The first ten minutes of Judge Dredd.

Worst adaptation of a comic book to the big screen: Everything after that.

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