Tuesday, January 23, 2007

Repost -- The Crazification Factor

I had my head down, so I missed that Bush apparently, in one poll, broke the 28% approval mark. I only know this because I got a shitload -- and that is the proper term -- of e-mails requesting a repost of this post. And, seeing as I blew off the night actually with Tyrone, watching The Devil's Backbone, and Obama declared this week ... well, it seems like synchronicity's come a'callin'

From Oct 7, 2005, the original "Crazification Factor" post:


John:
... I mean, what will it take? That last speech literally made no sense. It was crazy drunken bar talk! Islamic radicals are like COMMUNISM?! (gets speech on laptop) If we don't fight terrorists in Iraq they'll build a fundamentalist terrorist state stretching from Spain to Indonesia? What the fuck? Even assuming Spain, which last time I checked is 95% Roman Catholic, goes down, you gotta assume France, Italy, Greece, Bulgaria, all eight hundred million Hindus in India, Burma, Laos, Thailand, Vietnam and Singapore would be somewhat of an obstacle.

Tyrone: To be fair, you're going west-to-east. Maybe he meant a fundamentalist terrorist state stretching from Spain to Indonesia going east-to-west. Going that way, there's only the U.S. The President could be warning us that if we don't prevail in Iraq, the United States will become a fundamentalist Islamic terrorist state.

John: ... a little oblique, isn't it?

Tyrone: The man is nothing if not subtle.

John: (calling up map on laptop) You know, I guess if you start in Spain, swing hard south through northern Africa, you got Algeria, Libya there, Egypt, cross the Red Sea and you're in the Middle East ...

Tyrone: From there, if you spot him the Indian Ocean and India, you're in Indonesia.

John: I am not spotting him eight hundred million Hindus. I call shenanigans.

Tyrone: And again, I must point out Bush said "the militants believe that controlling one country will rally the Muslim masses, allowing them to overthrow all moderate governments in the region." That's what the militants believe. They may just be delusional. He says that himself: "Some might be tempted to dismiss these goals as fanatical or extreme. Well, they are fanatical and extreme -- and they should not be dismissed. Our enemy is utterly committed."

John: But he's citing that desire as a basis for our strategy. You can't cite your enemy's delusional hopes as a basis for a rational strategy. Goals don't exist in a vacuum, they're linked to capability. David Koresh was utterly committed to being Jesus Christ. See how far that got him.

Either Bush is making strategy based on a delusional goal of his opponent, which is idiotic; or he's saying he believes his opponent has the capability of achieving this delusional goal, which is idiotic. Neither bodes well for the republic.

Tyrone: Reading here, the speech boiled down to two points --

John: Who cares? The Spain-to-Indonesia thing should automatically invalidate the whole speech. I don't care how good your investment advisor is, he can spend three hours reviewing mutual funds, as soon as he says "And of course, we can put your money into the Easter Bunny's Egg Upgrades", he is out of --

Tyrone: -- two points. First, Iraq is the keystone in the struggle between the West and Islamic Fundamentalism.

John: Which, if we accept the Administration's own argument, means that invading and destabilizing Iraq with insufficent post-war planning (and all that entails), not enough personnel, and shitty equipment for that personnel was the biggest screw-up in the War on Terror.

Tyrone: He's the President: if he says it, it must be true. Second, Bush says we have made a lot of progress in stopping al-Queda plots. Look: "Overall, the United States and our partners have disrupted at least ten serious al Qaeda terrorist plots since September the 11th, including three al Qaeda plots to attack inside the United States. We've stopped at least five more al-Qaeda efforts to case targets in the United States, or infiltrate operatives into our country."

John: What are they counting for those wins? Are they counting guys like Padilla?* This is all very gooey, like how we've killed like, nine of Osama Bin Laden's #3 guys.

Tyrone: Being #3 in Al-queda is like being a "creative vice president" at a Hollywood studio. There are dozens of them ... and they are expendable. Listen, don't do this, you're just getting worked up. Have another mozzarella stick.

John: Hey, Bush is now at 37% approval. I feel much less like Kevin McCarthy screaming in traffic. But I wonder what his base is --

Tyrone: 27%.

John: ... you said that immediately, and with some authority.

Tyrone: Obama vs. Alan Keyes. Keyes was from out of state, so you can eliminate any established political base; both candidates were black, so you can factor out racism; and Keyes was plainly, obviously, completely crazy. Batshit crazy. Head-trauma crazy. But 27% of the population of Illinois voted for him. They put party identification, personal prejudice, whatever ahead of rational judgment. Hell, even like 5% of Democrats voted for him. That's crazy behaviour. I think you have to assume a 27% Crazification Factor in any population.

John: Objectively crazy or crazy vis-a-vis my own inertial reference frame for rational behaviour? I mean, are you creating the Theory of Special Crazification or General Crazification?

Tyrone: Hadn't thought about it. Let's split the difference. Half just have worldviews which lead them to disagree with what you consider rationality even though they arrive at their positions through rational means, and the other half are the core of the Crazification -- either genuinely crazy; or so woefully misinformed about how the world works, the bases for their decision making is so flawed they may as well be crazy.

John: You realize this leads to there being over 30 million crazy people in the US?

Tyrone: Does that seem wrong?

John: ... a bit low, actually.

Tyrone: (shrugs) Probably right, then. Speaking of Obama, I need to get t-shirts printed up to sell.

John: I can do that on the web. What do they say?

Tyrone: Don't You Dare Kill Obama

John: How about Don't You Dare Kill Obama (... and we know you're thinking about it)

Tyrone: Niiiiice.

John: Or You Kill Obama and WE WILL BURN SHIT DOWN

Tyrone: Even better. Nobody wants their shit burned down.

John: Glad to help.

Tyrone: I'm having you taken off the list for when the revolution comes.

John: ... there's really a list --

Tyrone: Oh yeah. Hell yeah.

24 comments:

Anonymous said...

If Obama gets shot.... well you can give up your day job.

Anonymous said...

Does Bush like really old maps? If he does maybe he's working out his foreign policy projections based on The territory of the Caliphate in the year 750?

Toby S. said...

I really enjoy reading about your conversations with Tyrone- are they edited at all, or does the witty banter just sort of flow naturally for you?

Dayv said...

Damn.

I thought for a second this was a *new* John & Tyrone conversation.

Rogers said...

I really enjoy reading about your conversations with Tyrone- are they edited at all, or does the witty banter just sort of flow naturally for you?

They tend to be very tiny segments of much, much longer, much much more boring conversations. I will occasionally cut out a dull sentence or two in the middle, but there's never any new bits in there. Tyrone is just a very funnny guy -- who now dreads the pause on the phone when he can tell I'm writing something down.

jay in oregon said...

rogers:

So the dull sentences you edit out would be "You're writing this down, aren't you?"

Left_Wing_Fox said...

impworks: I'd say that's a strong possibility, or at least getting hi education form people who like really old maps:

From Sept 5 2006


BUSH: They hope to establish a violent political utopia across the Middle East, which they call caliphate, where all would be ruled according to their hateful ideology.

Osama bin Laden has called the 9/11 attacks, in his words, "a great step towards the unity of Muslims and establishing the righteous caliphate."

BUSH: This caliphate would be a totalitarian Islamic empire encompassing all current and former Muslim lands, stretching from Europe to North Africa, the Middle East and Southeast Asia.

We know this because Al Qaida has told us."

Keith said...

The problem is that both sides are working form old maps. OBL wants to jump start the Caliphate while GWB wants a new wave of Crusades.

The scary part: 27% of the world's population agrees with one or both.

Anonymous said...

I would definitely buy either of the t-shirt ideas that were suggested by either Tyrone or John!

Loved the conversation and I think the "crazification factor analysis" is right on the money.

Keep up the brilliant commentary gentlemen!

And please let us know if you have t-shirts for sale!

Spud McSpud said...

You're a pair of scary motherfuckers, but damn that was one funny conversation. Is their REALLY a list for when the revolution comes?

Spud McSpud said...

Sorry, I meant there, not their. And on the blog of a writer, of all things!

Handsome said...

The post below this one is truncated, both on the main page and when I go to January archives.

Just FYI.

Tom Hilton said...

Still genius, no matter how many times I read it.

Being #3 in Al-queda is like being a "creative vice president" at a Hollywood studio. There are dozens of them ... and they are expendable.

Did you see that Dick Cheney actually said this: "One of the most dangerous jobs in the world is to be number three in the al Qaeda organization, because a lot of them are now dead or in custody."

That's my nomination for unintentionally hilarious unwitting self-parody of the year. Of course, the year is young...

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have Dubai buy Jerusalem - or all religon-soaked hunks of stone thereat - and relocate it as Mecca's Twin City.

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