Monday, April 29, 2013

ARCANUM: Immortality is So, So Creepy

Even pseudo-immortality, the thousand-year lifespan, has a nasty ring to it.

Not just because of what it might mean for the individual who's rocking the forever-life, either -- and there have been plenty of discussions of that idea, both in the vampire myth and in science fiction. One of my favorite authors to tackle this idea is Richard K. Morgan in his Altered Carbon series. In this universe people are implanted with tiny upload hardware, almost impossible to destroy, allowing your persona to be transferred from body to body. Not quite the traditional view of immortality, but the tone -- the weary, noir sensibility of an endless dream-like loop -- is spot on.  People who've lived too long in the AC universe are fundamentally wrong in an alien way. They have seen and done too much. They've gone past nihilism. There's an ... absence where the fundamental connection to other humans should be.

No, what's even creepier to me is what a society of such people would be. Look around us now. Boomers are freaking out over millenial values, just as their Greatest Generation parents freaked out over theirs. I have people working for me who've never even seen a dial telephone.  Change hurtles ever onward, and the only thing more corrosive than the fact that the future isn't evenly distributed is the fact that there are plenty of humans who don't want this future at all.  It's all too much change, it may be literally too much change to process for human hardwiring. Many older humans are living future shock, right now. It was ever thus.

But the difference now is that those people are alive.

In 1900 the percentage of the American population over the age of 45 was 17.8%. In 1950 it was 28.4%. As of the last census the share of the US population over 45 is 36.4%. Hell, the 65+ share's gone from 4.1% in 1900 to 13.3% in 2010. More and more people still in the society, with greater and greater influence, still constructing societal and legal norms based on emotional, psychological, cultural and technological frames of reference that are less and less relevant.

We'd all like to think we'd reinvent ourselves, re-assimilate, learn and grow along a constantly regenerative learning curve. But most of us wouldn't. We're just not cognitively wired for it. We crave stasis, because our lizard brains crave safety and security.

Now, am I bashing older people in general, painting them all as regressive? No, of course not. But the law of averages is the law of averages, and people are people, and the vast majority of we humans formed our core values in our adolescences, locked our social and political opinions in our early 20's. Grudges dig deep. To call out a specific example: no matter who you voted for, wasn't it a little goddam tiring in the 2000 election to still be refighting the 32-year old Vietnam War records of the two candidates for the US presidency?

Now imagine it was the Civil War.

Imagine it now.  A functional lifespan of, say 200 years.  Working with people who owned slaves.  Trying to negotiate international trade treaties to deal with global warming by reconciling voters who watched their brother's head get spun into a fine red mist by a Boston infantryman or a Georgian cavalryman. Getting funding for stem cell research from voters who grew up believing not only were black people a genetically inferior race, but other versions of white people were, too.  200 years is what Bruce Sterling posits in Holy Fire, a gerontocracy, and it's a goddam mess.

Now make it 500 years.

Nothing ever forgotten. Nothing ever truly passing.

The death of history and the birth of the Long, Eternal Now.

So when you posit a race of beings who stare at us pitilessly, as so much mortal cannon-fodder in the midst of their centuries-long feuds, I do not fantasize about meeting them. I want them to sod off post-haste to the Grey Havens, good and gone.  The prospect of them returning, and dealing with them as an enemy with reality-bending powers and millenia of strategic experience, does not fill me with elfin glee. That's horror, to me.

A new installment of ARCANUM, as usual, can be read here.  And you can browse our other comics, from continuing series to quirky short subjects, here.

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  1. Ok, I'm convinced. I'm also squicked the hell OUT...

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  2. Anonymous9:08 AM

    note that I read your first sentence and went "oooh, Altered Carbon, have to reference that in the comments" .. then I read on.

    Again, fascinated by the Shared Cultural Context[tm] between people who live very far apart ..

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  3. I had to get some discussion going, so I took it to one of the groups on Librarything. Thought I'd toss the link up here.

    http://www.librarything.com/topic/153624#4070818

    So far, we've had Iain Banks' Culture books and Pandora's Star tossed up as counter examples in fiction.

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  4. Yeah, it's why we have to get so many of those old white men out of Congress. Though not *all* of them.

    And you know what? This is reflected in the wars we fight, as well. My father was shot by German soldiers in WWII, and that influenced my feelings about Germany for decades! Then I was growing up during the Vietnam war and now it seems SO very weird that Vietnam is now a really popular tourist destination for a whole generation.

    While WWII was probably necessary, I can't help thinking about how many kids are being raised here in the U.S. with warped perceptions of Arabs and Muslims that will stay with them for far too long.

    But, as I have said over and over again, the absolute very best defense against this type of prejudice is for school children to be exposed to their counterparts in countries all over the world via video conferencing. It's cheap to do and returns soooo very many advantages. By giving them modern day pen pals, it makes them see other races & cultures as being made up of friends rather than enemies.

    In my opinion, this should start in kindergarten and continue all the way through graduation.

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  5. "I have people working for me who've never even seen a dial telephone."

    Try hauling out a typewriter and see what happens.


    I remember being in a sociology class years ago, and the question came up about a hypothetical drug that would essentially enable immortality, and should it be put in the water? Virtually the entire class looked at me like I was insane when I mentioned that it would be a bad thing.

    People like to forget that folk/fairy-tales weren't feel-good entertainment. They were warnings. They were dark and bloody for a reason. People didn't so much as leave gifts for the fae as make payments in a protection racket.

    We're a few generations behind on those premiums. Yeah, horror is one way to describe it. "We're fucked" might be a better description, though...

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  6. I dunno, I've always thought there was an element of "sour grapes" to all those cautionary tales about immortality. Sort of an "oh, you probably wouldn't like being young and vibrant forever anyway, it'd probably get boring after a while. Best to just enjoy that slow, lingering death from colon cancer."

    All I'm saying is, it's a lot easier to insist that immortality would be a bad thing if you know you won't get called on it. :)

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  8. I'm really enjoying this comic - I didn't expect to, given the subject. But I find myself annoyed when I end the current issue and I have to wait for more.

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  9. We still have a typewriter at our work, which the student employees are trained to use. So never fear, for all our whopping technology and automation, it's still sometimes easier to just shove something into a typewriter and type on it. Apparently.

    Yes, this was a darned creepy post, which I totally confer with.

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  10. As I've said elsewhere, I don't want to live forever, I just don't want to die...

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  11. If you haven't already done so, go hunt down and read a copy of "The Risen Empire" by Scott Westerfeld (not the botched chopped-in-two edition published by Tor in the US, but the complete-as-a-doorstep British edition). Even creepier, and explores the idea of a top-heavy society dominated by immortals from a very different angle to "Altered Carbon".

    And for a factual explanation, your keyword is "phase four demographic transition".

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  12. USRaider10:42 PM

    This post, John, has actually made me want to check out what you're doing with this artistic endeavor.

    I would like to think that I've passed above your speculation (I've changed my mind on things that I thought were right when I was in my 20s, but to stretch it out over centuries...that might be hard to do.

    Will check it out and see what you're doing. Could be interesting.

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  13. Anonymous6:19 AM

    I must admit, I enjoy stories of happy immortals (the guy in Sandman and the tuba player in Middleman) precisely because the tormented weary immortal is such a stock type.
    That said, interesting thoughts.

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  15. Anonymous6:28 AM

    The more I think about it, I think the Vietnam War and 2004 are a very poor example. By 40 years after the Civil War, it had pretty much faded as an issue among white people. They'd reached a consensus that both sides were brave, fighting for their native land, terrible tragedy, now we must reunite, and of course race and slaver were nothing to do with it. And these were people who still remembered the war, which was way more divisive than 'nam.
    A white survivor from that era might be very comfortable with attitudes until the civil-rights movement--but then again black survivors might have views that would make Jeremiah Wright look milquetoast.
    So I'm not so much disagreeing as I think it would be much more complicated.

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    In Lincoln's Dreams by Connie Willis, an historian turns down the chance to study the long-term effects of the Vietnam War because he's still studying the long-term effects of the Civil War.

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  20. Interesting way to look at what the real effects of real-life immortality would be. Not familiar with this comic (even though I like some graphic novels) but the comparison of sci-fi examples of immortality to real-life examples of collective human memory and how we carry over old issues,hurts,wounds,rights, and wrongs from the past into the present and the future. It really pointed up how that has always been done, and how worst it would be if people could actually live longer and carry those grudges even longer with them. Pretty damn good food for thought!

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