Yes, it's the Spiderman/party episode of Coupling. Except, you know, with more. Which turned out to be a fairly insane idea once you got down to writing it. Questions and Comments down below.
>>Wild applause<< from Texas! You left me, my family and friends breathless with laughter! THANK YOU for writing such a SMART comedy/drama! I deeply appreciate all the hard work that goes into everything that all of y'all do!
I personally appreciated the casting of Riley Smith in that brief cameo - and would love it if you could consider adding him to your casting sometime in the future. Since he was a face Sophie remembered - maybe he could be someone who crossed her path in the past... but would love to see him again.
I've seen several comments about this - and other episodes - where y'all say you've been "wanting to do this kind of thing for a long time..." Are there any scenarios in your bag of tricks where you look at the idea and say "Naw - we can't POSSIBLY pull THAT off!"?? ...After all the breathtaking things you've created so far - I would love to know what YOU would consider IMPOSSIBLE! LOL!
Again - I could wax poetic forever... >>WILD APPLAUSE<< for ALL involved! Peace.
You've said that the airing order is not the original intended order: What was the original order? The few eps we get in December, are they in the right place or should one or more of them been in the summer? For the life of me I can't figure out why TNT has to change the order - you guys write the show a certain (and wonderful) way; they should trust your order, not decide their own.
@Joella: I gave a big explanation above, but the person who "hired" the guy who hired Eliot was the bearded guy who owned the dagger, the one Baroness Sophie was flirting with.
He wasn't hired, so much as was partners in stealing the artifacts and scamming the insurance.
@Hannah, you're welcome. I was having trouble with the name, too, then finally broke down and looked at the end credits. *g*
@Anonymous, At the end, I don't think they were necessarily going to compete …
Well, except that Parker siad, "Dibs!" just before rushing out, and Sophie said something like, "Not if I get there first." So while they'll most likely end up working together (and probably only succeed if they do), I think they're initially determined to have a "thief-off" and see who can actually steal it first this time.
But I defer to Rogers – competition or collaboration?
And @Anonymous (another? same? hmm) re: Coswell's gun. Sophie saw rifle, Parker heard shotgun. Pump action. It's a very distinctive sound. ;-)
So many awesome moments: every fade-in/out of Nate from the flashbacks, Nate's look as he taps Parker's hand to reveal the crumpled paper, Parker figuring out that Nate knows something that the others don't, Eliot's flying tackle, Sophie reacting to how others interpret her accent … and more, too many to name.
It was fun to see Nate relaxed and enjoying himself. He has always been my favorite character (even when you've convinced me that he is a bastard sometimes/often, you have not convinced me that he is not a "good guy" underneath it all the while). But I'm so used to seeing him serious, depressed, distant, etc. that I wasn't sure a happy Nate would still be Nate-like (for lack of a better work). Well played.
This has been brought up earlier in the comments, but I don't see a consensus as of yet. I'm right with Anonymous from 5:04pm and with SueN at 7:01. Soooo … are they going to make a competition/game out of it and each try to steal the dagger on their own or are they going to work as a team and bring down the CEO of Baron oil? My guess is that they'll start working separately, but at the end end up working together.
PS if Nate did give the roses to Maggie, how did she react? Somehow I suspect that that wasn't a typical Nate gesture and she would suspect that he had done something that he needed to apologize if she saw the roses.
Anonymous said Did Eliot REALLY flirt with Sophie ?? (Well, rather Sophie with Eliot) Even Hardison saw that ! What really happened between these two ? Nate did not seem very jealous (nowadays), am I wrong ?
IMO Nate didn't seem jealous because he knew he had nothing to be jealous about. Nate knew that Hardison said that to get back at Sophie and Eliot for being so pleased when he had to say he didn't steal the dagger after all. It didn't happen for real, Hardison made it up. We know that because in Nate's version they didn't flirt at all.
Bardic Lady said I do find it odd that Sophie in particular wouldn't remember Eliot's face, given that, as a grifter, people are her strong point.
I think it's because she spent 10 second with him, all they did was introducing themselves with fake names and then it was back to work for the con they were each planning - Nate's version.
Anonymous said (although, if Eliot and Sophie were really dancing like they were in Hardison's viewpoint, you would think they would remember each other)
Anonymous said It was fun to see Nate relaxed and enjoying himself. He has always been my favorite character (even when you've convinced me that he is a bastard sometimes/often, you have not convinced me that he is not a "good guy" underneath it all the while). But I'm so used to seeing him serious, depressed, distant, etc. that I wasn't sure a happy Nate would still be Nate-like (for lack of a better work). Well played.
I loved that too. He's so sexy when he's smiling and happy. I love an intense Nate too but this one, the best!
It's becoming clear to me that a John Rogers script elevates an already great show the way a Whedon-penned episode did for Buffy.
My only question: For the most part, I think you did a good job of explaining why none of the characters recognized each other by the time of the pilot, but why didn't Nate recognize Sophie from her employee file? Am I correct in assuming that she and he had a history by then? Did he not screen the museum employees? Was this an oversight on his part? Or possibly arrogance, either because he didn't think he needed to screen the museum employees or because he didn't think Sophie could get away with the dagger?
I really loved seeing everyone sitting around, relaxed, bullshitting like a family. We usually only (and rarely at that) see this in the last minute or two of an ep - especially in season 2 when they would sit around, cook, eat, and talk in Nate's loft after a con was done. This was friends/family spending time together and getting to know each other more. I really loved the change of pace. Awesome job, Mr. Rogers. And thanks for all the time you spend on this blog chatting with us.
I loved this episode, especially the fact that even Nate was an unreliable narrator. I also have a question about Hardison, did his parents simply die, or were they murdered, and has that ever been investigated on the show?
Hi John, loved the episode, congrats to all involved in pulling if off.
I have just one question, you’ve mentioned before that we need to keep our eyes on that envelope/file from Scheherazade, did we see a glimpse of it as Eliot searched through the shipping crate?
@Anon, you said: "Nate knew that Hardison said that to get back at Sophie and Eliot for being so pleased when he had to say he didn't steal the dagger after all. It didn't happen for real, Hardison made it up. We know that because in Nate's version they didn't flirt at all."
I would not be so sure that Nate's version was more accurate than the others. I think it's probably more telling that in Sophie's version (told before she knew the rest of them were there), Eliot was very much flirting with her with her.
@SueN :while Parker's immediate reaction was, "somebody's broken into the security system." She is such a thief!
I took it, not as that's how it was in the past, but rather, having heard Hardison's story, she was embellishing hers as being in the know, as we've seen her do other times this season. (Same as with Sophie's "gun", as a box of flowers wouldn't make a shotgun sound).
In response to the whole flirting issue, I think the key is that Sophie and Eliot both imagined the other as coming on to them. More than a little vanity is at play there for both of them.
Fake Eliot was frankly kind of oily and definitely coming on to Sophie while she was cool and calm. And Eliot's Memory Sophie was a completely unpolished rube who was totally throwing herself at him while he was a bit appalled. They both saw themselves as the cool, collected object of affection of the opposite sex.
As for the dancing thing - totally Hardison's brain IMO. Someone maybe upthread noted that the timing was not right for it to actually have occurred. Plus, if I'm remembering correctly, Hardison does not include that in his principal flashback - he throws it in AFTER when he's taking a dig at Sophie and Eliot. The same way Sophie goes back and changes her Eliot to make him more ridiculous.
@Oona: Oily? I interpreted Sophie seeing Eliot as a handsome young doctor who pretty much fell instantly in love with her and couldn't keep her eyes off her (notice she imagined the doctor rushing to the ambassador after her, and looking for her after she had left.
Can we just take it as read that if there's a number 7 somewhere on or around Eliot, it's a reference to The House Rules unless context proves otherwise?
I have no questions, though. This was just a fun episode, and a good one to watch multiple times, since there are plenty of little things you might miss on one go and catch on the next. Well done. :)
Watching the Sneak peak for the next ep brougt up another question for me.
Why is/was TNT marketing the last two episodes as the end of the third season?
Those of us who follow the production know the season is really 16 eps but it's very confusing for people who don't. And I've already seen a few reviewers who were wondering how you'd resolve the Moreau arc with only two episodes left in the season.
If this episode had been from a Whedon series, Nate and Eliot would have had a moving conversation at the end about Eliot's gratitude and how he'll remember what Nate did for him, even if Nate didn't know what he was doing. On your show, you and the actors conveyed everything in that hypothetical conversation in a look and a nod. This is one of my favorite things about this show. Nothing is too heavy-handed, the characters act like real people, and when a writer wants to say something, they don't drown their audience in words. It's additionally perfect for five characters who don't exactly make a habit of discussing their feelings. You must have a lot of trust in your actors and directors.
That's the same actress playing the reporter in this episode as in The Inside Job. Well done with attention to detail!
(Nosy production question - did you have to bring her back to film this bit, or did you just film it when she was on set for The Inside Job? I'm guessing the former because of having to build the museum set, particularly if she was cast locally. Though it does also depend on what order the episodes were filmed in...)
Video Beagle said... @Oona: Oily? I interpreted Sophie seeing Eliot as a handsome young doctor who pretty much fell instantly in love with her and couldn't keep her eyes off her.
Dude, those glasses alone were oily. ;)
Not to say he didn't have some charm . . . but it was kind of a snakey charm, which I assume is Sophie picking up on Eliot's less than morally upstanding intentions that evening (for the dagger people - JEEZ shippers, settle down!). Sophie has to read people, so picking up a little danger from Fake Eliot is what she should be doing in that situation.
I'm more a lurker than a commenter but there was something that I really wanted to know.
With the argument between Sophie, Hardison & Eliot at the beginning of the show, Sophie's argument was the only one I could make out clearly from start to end. Was the audio manipulated to make her argument stand out over the other two or did it naturally end up that way?
Also, if it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to get a transcript of what Hardison and Eliot were saying during the argument? I'm kind of curious to find out what they'd said.
Questions aside, great episode. Love the how each of the characters are viewed in the other's eyes. Though the view of Sophie's accents was obviously a great bit, I also loved the contrast between how Parker sees her own interaction with other people and Nate's view of how she really is.
Sophie was definitely flattered by what she perceived as flirting, but was he really flirting? If you go by Eliot's memory, he wasn't flirting at all - she was the one being forward and he was put off by it.
That's what's way more interesting about that scene to me - that they both perceived themselves as the objects of affection. And like I said, I do think the grifter in Sophie was picking up some danger in Eliot. The guy was perfectly cast to capture that Southern bad boy lothario type (I grew up in a small town in GA - it's definitely a type).
@Tori Angeli and Oona (and whoever else), I think Sophie is aware enough of her charms to believe that *every* man who wanders (or is pulled) into her orbit falls at least a little bit in love with her. Remember, she also told Nate the dagger's owner "has a bit of a crush" on her. So it would only seem natural that Dr. Abernathy would flirt with her.
We've seen Sophie draw on her sex appeal many times to rope in a client. She couldn't do that with such ease and complete confidence that it would work if she didn't honestly believe men weren't ready to fall for her. ;-)
@Oona I was speaking strictly about Sophie's flashback. She remembers the man as someone she had fun flirting with. She and Eliot are both pretty vain people and if she'd sensed sliminess in him, her sense of the dramatic would oblige her to play that up. Sort of the way Hardison did.
Oh, and as for Eliot, we know *he's* a flirt. And I think it's not unreasonable to believe that women coming on to (throwing themselves at? *g*) Eliot Spencer is common enough that he, like Sophie, just kind of expects it.
Not that I personally know anyone who would be so shameless …
@Tori Angeli, "Speaking of vanity, Hardison and the women... XD"
Oh, that was priceless! Every 19-year-old geek's dream. Stephen Hawking's mind in James Bond's body, with every beautiful woman in the place wanting a piece. Clearly self-image is not a problem with him. lol
What I wonder about is Sophie's memory of him slapping that girl's ass at the refreshment table. Was she imagining it simply because she knew of the real Bioko and naturally assumed a guy with such a skeevy reputation would do such a thing?
It's an interesting look at how our minds just naturally fill in details for us.
Much love for this episode. As soon as I read the description I called it as the Spiderman episode of Coupling. Couple quick questions: 1) Was it just me or did the normal leverage background music have a bit of a Coupling spin? Noticed it mostly before Sophie's story, am I just hearing what I want to hear? 2) How hard was it for Gina to pull off an Americanized fake-ass Cockney accent? And the worst dwarf imitation ever? Big ups to her for that, btw. 3) You write such amazing Sophie scenes, is it mostly cause you like making Gina work for her money or because you have an affinity for the character? Do not in any way infer that you don't write them all splendidly, but your Sophie stands out as being particularly amazing :)
OMG i loved this episode. i knew who each of them was just before the reveal (of each), but totally didn't care.
@several folks ~half way up: Nate wasn't telling the fifth, "his" version of events...he said in so many words (though I'll have to re-watch it to catch the exact words) that he was piecing together their four versions along with his to "finally" (i do remember that word) know and tell what really happened.
HYSTERICAL. This has gotta be one of my favorite episodes.
And I gotta say, in retrospect that guy playing the "doctor" in the beginning did a GREAT job, because all through his part I kept thinking, "Why does this guy seem exactly like grifter!Eliot??? SUSPICIOUS."
No question this week, I just wanted to compliment you on the extremely fun ep. I believe you said it was something you had waited awhile to do and were excited for us to see so kudos. I was laughing like a crazy person, I'm sure the neighbors appreciated it.
@kuroshii, I don't trust Nate as far as I can throw him. :-) So let's throw this one to someone in the know . . .
@Rogers, is Nate simply a fifth narrator with more behind-the-scenes information than the others? Or is his version of events actually supposed to be the "real" version, for a given value of "real"?
@Stacy…Dude, I'm so sorry. It was nice knowing you. AND @ChelseaNH…Mai hed asploeded frum awl teh awsum n ai ken onnlee rite lyk dis nao …AND @SueN….about Coswell’s gun…rifle & pump action shotguns having different, ‘distinctive’ sounds! …AND @Hogan…Marge/Homer lines! LOVED these responses!
@MosNoogaMara…Don’t worry about ‘cluttering up’ the blog - John has repeatedly stated he doesn’t mind us using it for discussion. If you get too nasty or self righteous, John might post asking everyone to calm down like he’s done before (or if you complain about LEVERAGE & can’t spell the characters’ names, you may be bombarded with comments by the ‘regulars’ - as a previous poster found out)
@24jg13…can't we get the other three episodes now instead of December…
Noooooo. This would mean no new Leverage episodes from October until June or July. Aghhhhhhhhh. My LEVERAGE new episode withdrawal periods are already long enough. Now if they want to do MORE new episodes……
Eliot mentioned the guy after him was sent to prison soon after and he hadn’t thought about him until then. My thought was that statement referred to someone who will show up soon & be connected to Moreau or someone on his team - so, trouble for Eliot.
How many takes for: 1) Beth to catch the coffee cup? & 2) Tim to catch the knife? and 3)Did Tim catch it the first time because he’s the consummate actor, like when golfing on camera for Tap Out Job?
Who would have thought playing with LEGOS might get you an Emmy????
Dawn/StL-MO
(for those not understanding LEGO ref – John tweeted …”big thanks to the writing staff who helped me work out the dagger shuffle. with legos”).
God, this episode was PERFECT. I was expecting it to be fantastic - I wasn't expecting that I'd be laughing so hard I missed half the story the first time I watched! Major, major kudos all the way around! You guys simply outdid yourselves :)
@kuroshii I assumed Nate's version of the truth was closest to what actually happened - if for no other reason than, having heard everyone else's story, he was able to synthesize their versions - but it's Rashomon, for cripe's sake. Nobody's version is *completely* reliable. Where's the fun in that?!?
Question: Regarding the Nate-Gutman-Eliot reveal - to what extent, if any, was Nate aware at the time that taking out Gutman would benefit Eliot? At first I assumed it was inadvertent, but on rewatch that second beat at the bar after everyone else walks out sure reads as Eliot being grateful for more than Nate's unknowing involvement in a happy coincidence. Are we meant to be reminded that Nate, at his chessmaster finest, knows where *all* the pieces are and arranges them exactly as he sees fit?
@evening_shadow You mentioned being hearing impaired and not getting to listen to the commentaries. That's too bad! Should it be legal, and if you'd like, I wouldn't mind trying to transcribe some of the commentary for a favorite episode or two for you. (It'd have to be season 1, I haven't managed to get the scratch for season 2 yet).
According to Amazon.com "This 1950 film by Akira Kurosawa is more than a classic: it's a cinematic archetype that has served as a template for many a film since...In essence, the facts surrounding a rape and murder are told from four different and contradictory points of view, suggesting the nature of truth is something less than absolute."
BTW, did you hear about the theft of a gold bar worth $550,000 from the Mel fisher Maritime Museum in Key West, FL? The security system has good images of the perps messing with the display case, but so far they're still at large. I saw the vid on the news this morning--the job wasn't done as neatly as the Leverage gang's work.
Here's a link to the story: http://tiny.cc/29bkj
Watch the video...it contains the vid of the perps. They simply broke the display case and took the gold.
Please settle a debate from TWoP - did Sophie put some kind of shrimp juice or shrimp product in the Minister's drink to cause an allergic reaction or did she put something to make him sick and then just point out that the food he'd been eating had shrimp in it, making everyone believe he was having an allergic reaction? A moot question, I know, since the Minister/Hardison never drank the drink, but still...
I have one question based on a topic that was raised over at the RPG.net forums. Apologies if it's already been asked, but I'm a little too short on time to read all 250ish comments.
Someone over on those forums said:
"I expected Nate to be the head of security."
And someone replied:
"Are we so sure he wasn't? Nate claims that he was working in the shadows the whole time, and makes the Head of Security to be a buffoon, but everyone else remembers the security head being impressively competent. The few things we see Nate do, in his telling, are impossibly talented, such as being in the exact spot to catch the dagger after the security head fails to trap Parker in the vents. In Nate's telling, the Head of Security exhibits a lot of Nate's....less savory, shall we say, personal traits -- he wants to drink on the job, he's a bit hung up over Sophie, etc. And in that final scene between Nate, the security head, and the dagger's owner, there's that interesting bit of staging where the security head crosses the room to stand behind Nate, and he helps Nate create the cover story regarding the dagger's theft -- a conversation that sounds an awful lot like Nate talking to himself.
I give the show credit for keeping it ambiguous, but my money's on Nate's version having just as much license as the other four."
Which is a wonderful theory. I'm not convinced it works. But basically I'm asking if Nate's telling as subjective as the other four? Or can we take it as a more or less objective re-telling of the theft?
Regardless of whether you guys meant it or not, is it at even possible Nate was head of security? I don't know if it works. Five years ago, Nate and Sophie would already know each other and she'd have recognised him. So I think it just doesn't work. Shame - it's a wonderful interpretation of the story.
Once again - great episode. Made a nice change of pace from the regular (though also great) types of episode. And now I'm really eager to see the final few Summer episodes. :)
@Jp Corkery - Sophie and Nate have known each other longer than five years (The Mile High Job), so Nate couldn't have been the head of Security... Sophie had lots of dealings with the man as Dr. Ipcress.
My theory is that Nate could have known Sophie was around...but it became obvious to him that the owner of the dagger was dabbling in insurance fraud and that took precedence. If he could have caught Sophie as he took down the owner, he would have, but since he couldn't...
One thing has been bugging me for a long time. Why does Kane always whisper his lines? It's annoying and I can't even pay attention to what he's saying anymore so I'm probably missing some lines important to the plot. Could he start talking normally please?
@Dawn/StL-MO said... @24jg13…can't we get the other three episodes now instead of December…
Noooooo. This would mean no new Leverage episodes from October until June or July. Aghhhhhhhhh. My LEVERAGE new episode withdrawal periods are already long enough. Now if they want to do MORE new episodes……
Oh but then we could have season 3 for Christmas and I’ve been such a good girl. LOL
@Jane said... @24jg13 and various others
As much as I'd like see all of the episodes asap, we can't have the last three now instead of December.
Episode 314 is the reason why it has to be shown in winter, the plot wouldn't really work in the summer.
Ahhh the infamous holiday episode. Oh well.
@Anonymous said... One thing has been bugging me for a long time. Why does Kane always whisper his lines? It's annoying and I can't even pay attention to what he's saying anymore so I'm probably missing some lines important to the plot. Could he start talking normally please?
I appreciate this episode for its cleverness and exhilaration, for the way it builds on what you've already established (you can only play at these heights when you've well established the levels you're playing with), for its tightness and elegance and discipline and consistency. There's pratfalls and bedroom-style farce with sneaking around doors at just the right moment, coupled with the system-by-system reveals of the tapestry strands. Maybe I'm just high on the laughter, but this feels like the Leverage that Douglas Hofstadter would write as an appendix to Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.
@Jp Corkery I'll admit at one point in the ep I totally thought Coswell would turn out be Nate, but you're right that ultimately it just doesn't make sense. At the very least he and Sophie knew one another, making both the events of that night and the four-month-long Ipcress con impossible, and I think it's a stretch to assume *neither* Eliot or Parker had dealt with him yet at that point (especially considering that they would both know/trust him enough to join his team within the next two years or so).
You know what theory I do like, though? That Nate was *never even there* that night. Think about it...that's right... Here, you can borrow my tin hat, it's quite comfortable :)
Thank you for the Akira Kurosawa goodness! Loved it! It is my favorite episode of the entire series run thus far.
I apologize if this has already been addressed? Who wrote the episode? Was it yourself, or a collaborative effort with each of the centric character's writing team working on their version of the tale?
I loved how we went through the team members in the order they're shown in the credits. Very smart and fun episode. The best part had to be Sophie's changing accents and her outrage, especially when Parker only heard gibberish hahahahaha. How did Gina (or anyone else for that matter) make it through that scene without cracking up? My one question:
In Nate's version, he's walking up the staircase right after Sophie, and granted he was talking to the security guy, but how did he not see her? Just didn't realize it was her? And how didn't Sophie hear him talking behind her? Not trying to ruin the fun train, just all the nitty little details we all tend to wonder about ;)
One further comment/question: Did I just imagine things or did Hardison, in the scene where he pretends he actually had the dagger (a few seconds later replayed as dismayed not having the dagger) pull a perfect copy of an Eddie Murphy as Axel Foley-face?
What fun! Thanks to all of you. Two questions (and pardon me if I've repeated someone).
1. Nate was just being sarcastic when he said he'd go back to jail "forever" if they didn't find Moreau, wasn't he? I can't think of anything he did that would warrant a life sentance, and what the hell, he gave state's evidence. He may be a thief, but he's still a good guy.
2. Sophie gives some of her artwork to the museum to be exhibited while the dagger is on display to get an easy in. Why isn't she worried that someone will recognize one of her pieces as a stolen item? Or are these suppose to be items she bought with, perhaps, proceeds from stolen goods?
I have no clue about significance of the ring, but for me, noticing the flash of gold on his finger at McRory's made me notice that he was NOT wearing a ring when he snapped the dagger in two...I don't think I would have noticed, otherwise.
A lot of other people have given shout-outs to favorite parts of the episodes (Sophie's dress --RAWR; the accents gag; the knife) so I won't go over all that again, because by now you must know those scenes were pure win. I must say I thought it was...not so much funny as kind of cute when, in the very beginning of the episode, Hardison and Eliot and Sophie are arguing about who stole the dagger and Parker goes to the back to get Nate. Kind of like a little kid getting daddy to break up a fight between the other siblings. Loved that familial aspect of it.
I've never seen Rashoman, but now I have to at least google it, if not rent it. So kudos, John Rogers. Kudos.
No questions (everyone else has pretty much got that covered). Just keep doing an amazing job like you've been.
No question here, either, just another chiming in of how awesome this episode was. Thank you!!
To say nothing of writing it well, I adore how well the actors pulled it off. That had to be hard! I found myself wondering what it was like on set, and if I had to ask anything, it would be to beg for the (surely hilariously fun) outtakes to be put on the dvds! Please?
I'm a longtime fan (from season one.) I join the masses in loving this ep, it was absolutely laugh out loud funny. I enjoyed the same scenes as the everyone else with Sophie's rendition of Eliot's southern redneck accent at the top my list.
Two scenes that I haven't seen posted: Parker catching the mug (beautiful!) and Eliot shoving Hardison through the door on the way to the first station (during the "Hitter" version.)
As you can gather from the posts, John, the women fans of leverage WANT the 7 on the back of CK's vest to be house rule #7 - including me.
As I suspect that's not the literal truth, I'm asking if in the creative reality we all share we could make it be the truth from this point forward. In the famous words of Sheryl Crow "Lie to me, I promise to believe."
A bit late to the party this week, but I have to say -- Fantastic episode!
I picked out Parker and Eliot's doubles in Sophie's story right away (good casting), but had no idea about Hardison and Nate being in the thick of things as well. Loved Sophie's increasing frustration at the rest of the team mangling her accent(s). And a wonderful array of guest performances by John Billingsly. When he showed up in the first go-round I knew we were in for a real treat.
Oh, and it's a little detail, but thank you for having the title card for Nate's story be "Mastermind".
"So I wonder if Nate's version was really the way it was, or if perhaps we had five unreliable narrators. "
I'm going with five unreliable narrators. (See KRAD's comments upthread.)
@whimseyrhodes: "Do you (or any of the cast/crew) ever read any of the fanfiction on the internet?"
From what I know of the TV industry, they're probably not legally allowed to, lest there be accusations of plagiarism. Most productions won't even accept unsolicited scripts for the same reason.
"Are we ever going to meet Hardison's Nana? Because that'd be awesome."
If we do, I hope she's played by Nichelle Nichols. Just 'cause that'd be even more awesome. :)
@Lydia: "...did Eliot have short hair five years ago...?"
@Robin Thanks! If you're gonna print it, make sure to use the one on the "Download Image" link. It's full sized, 3000x3000. That'll give you the best possible quality.
We're really in Southie because of the JFK picture over the bar...
I work at UMass, where for some time our university president was William Bulger of South Boston, formerly president of the state senate and one of the most powerful politicians in the state. (His brother Whitey Bulger is a notorious gangster and still a fugitive, inspiring among other things the Law & Order episode where Michael O'Keefe played identical twins. Holy shit -- I just checked O'Keefe's Wikipedia page to get the spelling right and discovered that he used to be married to Bonnie Raitt! But I digress...)
A colleague of mine won a (well-deserved) letter of commendation from the state senate for services to the university. It was presented by a guy from Bulger's UMass office who appeared to a long-time aide from his political days. The guy said that every mantlepiece in South Boston had three things on it -- a crucifix, a framed portrait of JFK, and a letter of commendation from the state senate...
Congratulations. I don't think I've ever rewatched an episode this many times in less than a week, and the plot only gets tighter with each viewing. I enjoy it more and more every time.
@scooter5203249, Nate will go back to prison forever if they don't find Moreau, but not to any U.S. one. He will be deposited in the bowels of some dark, deep Roman fortress courtesy of The Italian.
@Ally…3) What exactly was Nate doing in the "security office" and what made him come out to check the hallways?
Hope this isn't too detailed: A red flag IMMEDIATELY goes up at an insurance company when there are a cluster of claims - especially when all claims happened under the same circumstances &/or if all items stolen were costly. There usually are specific provisions in these types of policies giving the insurance company authority to deny additional losses if the insured (in this case the museum) doesn’t take the necessary precautions to avoid another theft. Precautions could include a more advanced security system, more guards on duty, guards checking doors more frequently to make sure they’re secured, etc. The museum had 3 substantial losses in under a year. Nate’s company probably told the museum they needed to install a new, more advanced security system. Once installed, it must be inspected by an authorized insurance company representative (probably in this case, Nate) or additional losses could be denied. When Nate was walking up the stairs with Gladstone, he said IYS was NOT going to pay on the dagger if it was stolen. Since Hardison attended the event to be the FIRST to hack into the museum’s new, advanced system, Nate was probably headed to the “security office” to inspect the ‘new’ equipment. Figured after Nate checked the new system, he went into the hallway to check for additional precautions (remember he had a walkie-talkie type gizmo & called Gladstone telling him there were some unsecured doors that needed to be checked).
@Nicole … at the beginning of the episode when they are all arguing over who stole the dagger, why doesn't Parker chime in since she was the one that was the closest to actually getting it? It seems like she wouldn't have said anything if Nate hadn't pointed it out.
Thought Parker didn’t chime in because she knew she DIDN’T actually steal it, just TRIED to steal it – In her mind, almost getting it does NOT constitute stealing it.
JonRog1 – my questions: A) When Eliot’s in the van opening the crate, first he tosses & breaks the “Ming” vase (hysterical) the next thing he pulled out was a pocketed folder with papers in it. Was the information in the folder something regarding Moreau?
B) In Parker’s pov, she crawled into the storage room from the vent, set her duffle bag down & went for the door. She couldn’t get out the door because Eliot & the security guard he tackled were leaning against it, so she went to Plan B. If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag? Was it just a move to make the bag switch work & I should just ride the fun train?
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE TIME YOU SPEND DOING THIS!
So there is some debate about this episode. Would Sophie really put a mark's life at risk to continue a Grift? I like the idea that even though Sophie was a high class criminal Sophie wasn't a nice person, not even a nice criminal back then.
But of course... remember in Two Live Crew, the shot of Chaos in the van angrily packing up his stuff to get out of there after they were duped... he was explaining why he tried to get Sophie out of the picture when leader-guy wanted to bring her in, because it had never been leader-guy they were afraid of (or able to pull his own con past) - it was Sophie. So yeah... it's easy to see her having a wicked streak under the smooth grifter's mask to get what she wanted, then.
I am very pleased with this week's episode. Great work as usual, Mr. Rogers. The fact you've written this episode only furthers my praise for your work with Leverage. Great work, once again.
I find it curious that in five years ago, when Nate exposed the fraud that Mr. Gutman was perpetrating (putting actual items on black market and then staging theft of fakes), part of settlement was for Nate's old insurance company to take possession of the real dagger.
Now the real dagger ends up in hand of oil tycoon five years later. I'm guessing that IYS Insurance has forgotten all about the real dagger until five years later or something and then sold it to oil tycoon by that time.
-- J.S. I find it curious that in five years ago, when Nate exposed the fraud that Mr. Gutman was perpetrating (putting actual items on black market and then staging theft of fakes), part of settlement was for Nate's old insurance company to take possession of the real dagger.
Now the real dagger ends up in hand of oil tycoon five years later. I'm guessing that IYS Insurance has forgotten all about the real dagger until five years later or something and then sold it to oil tycoon by that time.
-- J.S. Dagger is pretty dangerous those days... PERHAPS more than guns...
@Dawn/StL-MO: ... If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag?
I thought she was stashing the bag in the storage room because the bag had her climbing rig in it, which she didn't need until it was time to escape via the storage room vent to the shaft to the roof. She wouldn't need to lug the bag around while stealing the dagger, given that she was coming back through that room on her way out.
The whole British accent thing (which was fantastic by the way) got me thinking. As far as I remember the only cons the Leverage team has pulled outside of the US are 'The Stork Job' and 'The Zanzibar Marketplace Job', yet we get the impression from the flashbacks that both Sophie and Eliot were pretty international operators in their former lives. Is there any chance of seeing the team do any more international cons in the future? I'd love to see them in the UK.
@Lily To @Dawn/StL-MO: ... If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag?
Lily replied: I thought she was stashing the bag in the storage room because the bag had her climbing rig in it, which she didn't need until it was time to escape via the storage room vent to the shaft to the roof. She wouldn't need to lug the bag around while stealing the dagger, given that she was coming back through that room on her way out.
Totally forgot Parker didn’t have the dagger yet when she went into the storage room. Thanks!
@Tom …Is there any chance of seeing the team do any more international cons in the future? I'd love to see them in the UK. This Sunday (Aug 29th)the team will be in the UK on “The King George Job”
Also, there was an error on my insurance explaination earlier too. Nate was walking up the stairs w/Causwell, NOT Gladstone. Sorry!
My group of Grifters think this is one of our favorite episodes of all time. This is just the kind of backstory linking we always posit would be so much fun. And it was! The most fun! The Leverage team is so perfectly suited to such bouts of friendly competition. We picture boardgame nights at Leverage Consulting to be very interesting. Which brings me to ask, who would win at Monopoly? Assuming they all cheat of course.
My main question for this ep, however, is this: Does realizing they have NEW first impressions of each other change anything for any of the Leverage crew?
PS. My friend reading over my shoulder insists I ask if we're ever going to see Sophie's shoe warehouse, because she and Sophie have scarily similar style(She's going to be her when my group of Grifters cosplay the Leverage cast).
I'm not sure why so many are resisting Sophie and Eliot together. It was way in the past and they are both known for their flirtatious natures. I have no doubt that they were both quite taken with each other (since they are both quite good looking and awesomely suave) and that more would have happened had they not been centered on the job at hand. That distraction, I believe, was why Sophie did not remember Eliot when she met him next but I guarantee that Eliot knew it was her when they met again. I don't believe Eliot ever forgets a face. It's his job. He had no reason to ever bring it up (firstly, it was a few minutes at a public funcion, and secondly, because he wouldn't want Nate to catch wind of such doings). And I resent the 'oily' remark. The doctor was quite debonair and I would have swooned in his arms anytime.
Now about the ending look between Eliot and Nate. I've noticed that every time there is something for Eliot to 'do' . . . he looks at Nate for the 'nod'. Check out on the roof with Richard Chamberlin with the two guys behind them and he waits on Nate before he takes them down. There's more examples but that's one. So I thought he was looking at Nate to see if he was going to allow the 'kids' to go steal something just for competition (which is new cause remember on a previous episode Sophie wants to keep the diamonds and Nate nixes that idea), or if he, Eliot, was going to have to go round them up and bring them back home. Which is why when he got the 'nod', he laughed and was glad they were going to be allowed to play. On the last several shows, Eliot waits to take any action until Nate gives the okay. If it was really thanks, that would have been a little much for two men such as Nate and Eliot. Eliot could take the bad guy out if he wanted all by himself . . . :)
OH! I just found this on iF's interview with John Billingsley and it might answer someone's earlier question. He said, "from everyone’s point of view except Nate’s, I am fearsome and frightening. From Nate’s point of view, which of course is the real point of view, I’m in fact a sweet and hapless bumbler." So Nate's point of view IS the real one. Ha!
In talking about Eliot and Sophie,I forgot to say that I think the only reason Eliot told his story the way he did is because Sophie had already put too romantic a spin on it and he didn't want Nate to think there was anything to it. So he made it seem as though he wasn't the least bit interested. Guys do that.
@maverickkid, I'm still not convinced that Nate's is the "real" (definitive) version. It's a logical synthesis of the other accounts, but it's still Nate's version.
I keep coming back to Coswell (God, do I love John Billingsley!) and how they all saw him. Five years ago, Sophie, Eliot and Parker were experienced, professional criminals at the top of their game (and, presumably, the CrimeWorld heap). Their success in any given job (not to mention their safety) would depend on a thorough and accurate assessment of the security systems/personnel they'll face (though, granted, for Eliot this was a last minute job). I can't see them so completely misjudging Coswell that they would mistake bumbling for competence. I can see them overestimating slightly, just to have all bases covered (and possibly to make themselves look even better – "I outsmarted the best"), but not completely missing the mark.
For instance, with Sophie, I can see her missing any cue that Coswell might be smitten with "Dr. Ipcress" simply because, as a thief, she would naturally assume the security chief asking certain questions would be evidence of suspicion rather than infatuation. And her natural flair for the dramatic might explain why she sees rifle instead of box w/flowers. (And it's interesting that Eliot, who would almost certainly notice armament first, saw box and not weapon.)
But we know that Nate has a slight, um, arrogance problem, and his supreme confidence in his own intellectual superiority often colors his perceptions of everyone else around him ("Zanzibar Marketplace," anyone?) He's a smug bastard who can be very dismissive even of those whose opinions/expertise he should respect (like the team). So I can see him "overstating" Coswell's preoccupation with Dr. Ipcress (and not making the connection between Gladstone's previous three "stolen" pieces and the dagger) to the point of turning the man into an incompetent idiot who needed the brilliant Nate Ford to save the day.
If Coswell really were as utterly incompetent as Nate imagines, how would the museum be allowed to keep him on as head of security? Surely insurance companies would have raised a ruckus (to the point of refusing to cover items displayed there) and the private owners who lend pieces would have demanded better security. So I tend to think the "true" Coswell lies somewhere between Sophie's cold-eyed, rifle-toting security Nazi and Nate's puppy-eyed fool.
Damn, Rogers, any chance on the DVD we could get an "extra" of Coswell's take on that night? 'Cause that would be awesome!
SueN. said... @scooter5203249, Nate will go back to prison forever if they don't find Moreau, but not to any U.S. one. He will be deposited in the bowels of some dark, deep Roman fortress courtesy of The Italian.
Oh, jeez. I'd blocked that out. I hate to think of Nate in a fetid foreign dungeon.
I know everyone has already said it but amazing episode! Loved it.
Question: When did Parker start being able to understand Sophie? Or was it more to do with the fact she just didn't care to really listen to what some random Duchess was saying.
@Barb the shipping address was Duchess Barrington Highsworth Estates 341 Warren Raos Ellis County UK
Ok, I'm trying to follow the box (the smaller box) that the dagger was suppose to be in: Sophie never actually gets it because hardison reroutes the dagger to stay in the museum OR eliot took it out in the back of the truck and never put it back. It really should only be one or the other, not both. If Hardison rerouted it, then the little box never should have been put in the big box where Eliot took it out of and found the mug. And how exactly would eliot have known who the dagger (or which large crate) was shipping too? Granted, these are their stories and we are probably not getting the whole truth. I'm just confused as to why they (museum staff) wouldn't have put it back in it's case before putting it in the storage locker?
This was by far, the most fun episode of the season. I could tell watching it, that all involved had the maximimum amount of fun with their roles. (As always.) 1. Did Gina get to pick the accents that everybody interpreted Sophie as? 2. Was the giant 7 on Eliot's shirt a nod to Rule #7?
Was there any particular reason for the discrepancy of Nate being called "Brains" in the opening credits and "Mastermind" in the intro to his scenario?
So, kind of a frivolous question, but the discussion has happened a couple of times, at home and at work - and I brought up the point on another message board. I'd love your take on it.
When Sophie's telling her story, "Dr. Abernathy" has short hair, but in each subsequent version, Eliot has his current long hair, albeit in a ponytail. The "waitress", before we know it's Parker, has long blond hair not in a ponytail. After Parker is revealed, her hair is always in a ponytail.
My take was that, once each of them knew the other(s) were involved, they were 'seeing' them in the retelling as looking like they currently do - thus the subtle changes.
This is similar to how, for example, Eliot's attitude and actions with the knife (not to mention the knife itself, lol) kept changing to fit how the others perceive Eliot now.
So, was it really thought out that far, down to the hairstyles?
No question or pretentious rambling from me today. I'll just say that my favorite bits were ELIOT WHIPPING OUT A THROWING KNIFE and all versions of the choking crisis, particularly the "death will not claim you this day" that Sophie heard and Parker's gleeful presentation of the knife. And of course, "It's a very distinctive smell."
Also, man, even the most oblique references to Maggie make me sad that Kari Matchett was (very smartly) snatched up by Covert Affairs, although I do very much enjoy that show.
Anyway. I bow before your greatness and that of your cast and crew.
Am I the first guy to notice Gutman as a Maltese Falcon reference?
Either way, this is definitely my favorite episode of this season, and in the top five.
I also wonder if Nana is fictional or maybe Hardison's original con mentor - like the reveal at the end of the Maverick movie "My pappy always used to say..."
On a second viewing, I appreciate Nate's view of things a lot more. First, of course, the look on his face at the "I STOLE IT!" moment, where he not only is clearly thinking, with the audience, "This is gonna be good," but "Oh, good, I've been wondering about this..."
But what was really striking to me was that in Nate's version, all three of The Kids are not only toned down, as it were, but more sympathetic, nicer. Eliot being the one to make the observation about the "minister's" throat closing and seeming resigned to taking control of the situation as the resident Competent Man, Parker presenting the knife carefully and with apparent concern--with our knowledge of Parker's lack of emotional filtering ability, especially five years ago--and later, Hardison thrown off his game and asking Coswell if he needed a tissue. Maybe it's better if you leave this unanswered, but it's interesting to wonder if that's really how they all were, or if it's how Nate wants them to see themselves, or if those details didn't actually come through in his telling of the story but are how he chooses to see them and maybe even has always seen them.
The "minister" slapping a random woman's ass in Sophie's telling is ten times funnier when you know it's Hardison. Whether he actually did it or not, you know he wanted to.
I also want to echo what @la_ma_ said above about this episode making the team "our" characters, really rewarding the long-time viewers (or, uh, those of us who watched dozens of episodes in two weeks on Netflix Instant to catch up for the tail end of season two after we stumbled on The Future Job while channel-surfing...). Truly a golden moment for the show. Again, I bow before your greatness. And I thank you for these characters.
Just when I thought I couldn't love this series more, you had to go and make this episode.
::standing ovation::
Please for the love of GOD (or the flying spaghetti monster, if that's your thing), give everyone a HUGE raise just for making this episode. You made my night. I haven't laughed this much at programmed television in a LONG time. Sophie's reactions to the team's interpretations of her accent were absolutely priceless.
I cannot express enough love for this episode. Encore! Encore! If you can make more one-shots like this in the future, please do so! While I love the heist cons avenging the downtrodden, this was a spectacular diversion.
OMG! If there was ever an episode to hook the uninitiated, this would be it - they'd miss some of the more subtle jokes (Sophie thinking Caswell was carrying a gun, for instance), but man oh man, but a well-structured and fun ride! Bravo!!!
I laughed several times and immediately rewatched it. :) It was just too good. Period.
Questions 1) Does that pic Hardison snapped of Eliot and Sophie exist somewhere? 2) Why did everyone remember Caswell being such a hard-@$$? Do they feel that way naturally about all authority figures? 3) Current status of Hardison's nana? (Sorry if it's already been addressed). 4) Was it hard to clear the bit about Baron Oil?
@maverickkid -- re: Eliot looking for Nate's say-so on jobs
We know that Eliot has a military (probably special-ops) background, so he works well in a hierarchy. During jobs, Nate is the mastermind, the "commanding officer", if you will, so Eliot confirms his orders before taking action. I happened to be watching the special features on the season 1 DVDs recently, and Christian's take on that relationship is pretty clear. If the team is a gun, then Nate is the trigger and Eliot is the bullet.
Plus, we've seen in 'Tap-Out' that Eliot is a creature of violence with a very tight leash on himself. If he's going off the leash, he wants a second opinion that it's okay to do so first. I'm not sure if the increasing frequency of him checking with Nate indicates an increasing distrust of his own judgment, or just a natural evolution of their relationship, but it seems to be working.
Hm. I may have overstated my case a bit, in hindsight, given everyone's drastic misreading of Coswell, but I guess since that choking scene is so central I was paying a lot of attention to it.
Ah! Maybe I've got it. (Sorry to keep coming back to this.) Maybe it's that in Nate's version they're all a little more focused and professional. With the exception of Sophie (maybe because she told her version first), the others all claimed to have been thrown off-balance by their encounters with each other, but in Nate's telling, that doesn't happen. Parker blows off both Sophie and Coswell rather than being freaked out (although both reactions are perfectly Parker), Hardison rolls with the allergy thing, and Eliot is, well, Eliot. I don't know where I'm going with this other than to keep saying things everyone already knows, so I'll stop now....
@maverickkid and @robin --re: Eliot looking for Nate's say-so
That's an interesting way of seeing that scene, and like it, but not sure I entirely buy. At the end, he didn't seem to be waiting for Nate's permission. He was still kind of 'huh' at learning Nate's part in 'helping' him, and was the first in giving him a more pointed nod of 'thanks dude/we're cool', knowing Nate would be all for bringing down the CEO, to which Nate returned the sentiment and we all get warm fuzzies at how close the team has gotten and how well they get each other as he heads off with mirth at how things turned out with 'doing what they do' now. Upon watching it again... it does look like a bit of 'go ahead' thrown in... so what do you guys think: wouldn't Eliot run off to have fun with the kids even if Nate didn't initiate it?
First of all: Absolutely frickin' awesome episode!
Question: Why isn't Nate wearing a wedding ring in the flashback? And what, on the other hand, is that ring that he's wearing on his right hand in the bar?
My God that was good. It ran wonderfully, and at times it felt like The Italian Job, and Oceans 11. This would play so well on a big screen!
Ok. What was it like to write this one? I know that sometimes a story can just pour effortlessly out, and other times it's like pulling teeth. Where was this one?
Talk about expositing character during the con! Doubly! Showing how they see the others says more about...ahh. Hail to the Moffat.
1) Loved the episode; Moffat should be proud. But where were the sausages on the refreshment table? 2) Did the flashbacks take place at a time when roses would have helped Nate's marriage, or was it too late? I'm a little hazy on the timeline. 3) Ed Quinn showed up on Eureka. Shirtless. [Sound of gauntlet hitting the ground.]
Best episode ever. Would love to hear about the inspiration for the music going into each of the segments. Sophie's had a Pink Pantherish air of I'm-looking-for-a-princess-to-marry-or-rob. Hardison's had a jaunty James Bond-ish feeling. And Parker's sounded sort of old-style light-hearted Georgy Girl. Any information appreciated.
Beth tweeted about The Rashomon Job "you should see the outtakes" Please tell me there were a lot of outtakes on this episode and that you are going to put them on the Season 3 DVD. The episode was pure comedy genius and I'm guessing the outtakes go above and beyond ,you can kinda see Christians face musclesmove into a grin when Gina gives her dialog in his version of the story.I've missed this kind of t.v., thanks for bringing it back.
@Rogers: You WILL submit The Rashomon Job for a writing emmy, won't you? Besides being absolutely hilarious, the ending is a beautiful metaphor for what we could all do if we worked together.
Will Parker ever be the Fiddle? Will Parker ever be the head of a con? (With Nathan or Sophie's help) We had a little taste of that in the Juror # 6 Job? She's brought them in before but they're immediately handed over to Sophie or Nate. She's come a long way in a grift perspective. Is it easier for her when the mark is female?
Again, I hope I'm not too late to add questions, cause I've got plenty of them for this episode... (mostly Parker related, because Beth Riesgraf does some amazing subtle work all throughout this episode. Especially since it's Parker being subtle. )
I love how during the argument Parker's instinct said "Go get Nate". For her, is he more a referee figure, a teacher who's got detention duty or was it more like "Nate can fix any problem! It's his superpower!"? (Note she's also the first person who figured out Nate was there.)
I also noticed how she wasn't arguing with the others, even though she had a dagger story. Is it A) because she knows she lost the dagger, B) because she believes (without the argument) that she stole it, OR C) does she just want the arguing to stop? I never thought I say this, but considering this is her nakama (family) re: "The Inside Job" is she (along with probably Sophie, in general) acting as the internal peacemaker of this bunch?
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I'm assuming everyone's mad at Parker, not because she stole the dagger, but because she didn't say anything about stealing it?
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Did Beth Riesgraf actual do her cup and ball bit? And how?
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During Hardison's explanation, she seems confused - is that her working out what happened before her theft or did Parker accidently fool herself with her cup and balls routine? It is Parker... (During a later read of my own post (Note she's also the first person who figured out Nate was there.) Is that when she realized Nate had been there that night?)
Why are they all arguing that they stole it even though none of them had hands on it at the end of the night?
Is there a reason Eliot's vest have a seven on the back?
Anybody noticed Hardison still managed to annoy Eliot in the two seconds they were together in that "Doctor, I owe you" bit?
How did Hardison gain 200 pounds? I know this is perception based episode but how did he gain a whole person weight wise in both Sophie and Eliot's story? Especially since a good portion of Eliot's expertise is sizing up opponents and paying attention to what is around him.
Well done on an excellent episode. This is by far one of my favorite episodes. I love how Sophie's accent changes with each person and laugh every time I re watch the episode how she changes her story to change Eliot. It really looks like the actors all had fun with this episode. I was wondering - (and I apologize if someone else already asked however I could not read all the other comments), was the shots at the museum shot before the bar sequence so everyone knew what was happening? If not I have to say congurats to the writers room for timing everything perfectly. The oil company that is mentioned at the end is that by any chance a dig at BP? Also the little nod that Eliot gives Nate right at the end is a thank you for getting the guy who sent him after the dagger right? - because Nate does say your welcome to Eliot just minutes before and you can see on Eliot's face that he figures that Nate caught him before everyone else. Thank you again for an incredible episode.
Not adding any more questions to the long queue that's already there. Just praise.
Absotively posilutely awesome!!
And Eliot mimicking glasses with shot glasses? Not only cute, but also genius. There's this theory that the first shot glasses were produced by the Jenaer glass manufacture (Friedrich Schott being one of the founders, hence the name 'shot' glass) and Carl Zeiss Jena, as it's known today, are famous for inventing one of the first corrective lenses.
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"You know, as a woman, I've always found it kind of annoying how some men age so well. You know what I mean?"
Some of us guys are annoyed by it too.
@John Rogers
Congratulations to all of you on a really good show. Like everyone else, I love how Coswell's dialog remained the same, but his delivery changed.
I'm assuming you guys were having a laugh at all the hassle we give you over the accents. A very palpable hit, sir.
You made that seem really effortless, so I hope you can talk a bit about why it was so difficult.
>>Wild applause<< from Texas! You left me, my family and friends breathless with laughter! THANK YOU for writing such a SMART comedy/drama! I deeply appreciate all the hard work that goes into everything that all of y'all do!
I personally appreciated the casting of Riley Smith in that brief cameo - and would love it if you could consider adding him to your casting sometime in the future. Since he was a face Sophie remembered - maybe he could be someone who crossed her path in the past... but would love to see him again.
I've seen several comments about this - and other episodes - where y'all say you've been "wanting to do this kind of thing for a long time..." Are there any scenarios in your bag of tricks where you look at the idea and say "Naw - we can't POSSIBLY pull THAT off!"??
...After all the breathtaking things you've created so far - I would love to know what YOU would consider IMPOSSIBLE! LOL!
Again - I could wax poetic forever... >>WILD APPLAUSE<< for ALL involved! Peace.
You've said that the airing order is not the original intended order: What was the original order? The few eps we get in December, are they in the right place or should one or more of them been in the summer? For the life of me I can't figure out why TNT has to change the order - you guys write the show a certain (and wonderful) way; they should trust your order, not decide their own.
@Joella: I gave a big explanation above, but the person who "hired" the guy who hired Eliot was the bearded guy who owned the dagger, the one Baroness Sophie was flirting with.
He wasn't hired, so much as was partners in stealing the artifacts and scamming the insurance.
@Hannah, you're welcome. I was having trouble with the name, too, then finally broke down and looked at the end credits. *g*
@Anonymous, At the end, I don't think they were necessarily going to compete …
Well, except that Parker siad, "Dibs!" just before rushing out, and Sophie said something like, "Not if I get there first." So while they'll most likely end up working together (and probably only succeed if they do), I think they're initially determined to have a "thief-off" and see who can actually steal it first this time.
But I defer to Rogers – competition or collaboration?
And @Anonymous (another? same? hmm) re: Coswell's gun. Sophie saw rifle, Parker heard shotgun. Pump action. It's a very distinctive sound. ;-)
After multiple viewings, I now feel that The Rashomon Job is THE ICONIC LEVERAGE EPISODE.
At least, so far...
So why do the flags above JFK change at the bar between the first shot and when Nate gives his version? Continuity issues or secret plot?
That.
Was.
Brilliant!
This is now my most favorite episode of the whole 3 season so far.
I'm assuming Gina was allowed to go to town with the different accents, the Scots one was beautifully awful.
This looked like the cast had a lot of fun filming it, is there any chance of a full cast commentary for this episode?
Absolutely LOVED this episode!!!
So many awesome moments: every fade-in/out of Nate from the flashbacks, Nate's look as he taps Parker's hand to reveal the crumpled paper, Parker figuring out that Nate knows something that the others don't, Eliot's flying tackle, Sophie reacting to how others interpret her accent … and more, too many to name.
It was fun to see Nate relaxed and enjoying himself. He has always been my favorite character (even when you've convinced me that he is a bastard sometimes/often, you have not convinced me that he is not a "good guy" underneath it all the while). But I'm so used to seeing him serious, depressed, distant, etc. that I wasn't sure a happy Nate would still be Nate-like (for lack of a better work). Well played.
This has been brought up earlier in the comments, but I don't see a consensus as of yet. I'm right with Anonymous from 5:04pm and with SueN at 7:01. Soooo … are they going to make a competition/game out of it and each try to steal the dagger on their own or are they going to work as a team and bring down the CEO of Baron oil? My guess is that they'll start working separately, but at the end end up working together.
PS if Nate did give the roses to Maggie, how did she react? Somehow I suspect that that wasn't a typical Nate gesture and she would suspect that he had done something that he needed to apologize if she saw the roses.
Kind of appropriate to have this episode air this week. Not that you were trying in anyway to portray a real person living or dead at the end there.
5 years later. Yeah. Kind of wish there was a Leverage crew out there to make things right.
SHADIME!! great epi!
@SueN So, yes, in my strange little world view, Han Solo is Eliot Spencer's father. Just … go with it. *g*
So...we can has Harrison Ford w/boy Elliot in a flashback sequence? *makes puppydog eyes at John Rogers*
It's the time travel episode, right on time in season three! (And I loved it.)
No questions, just two statements.
Firstly, great episode, maybe best in Season 3...
Secondly, happy birthday Beth Riesgraf! <3 You.
Anonymous said
Did Eliot REALLY flirt with Sophie ?? (Well, rather Sophie with Eliot)
Even Hardison saw that !
What really happened between these two ? Nate did not seem very jealous (nowadays), am I wrong ?
IMO Nate didn't seem jealous because he knew he had nothing to be jealous about. Nate knew that Hardison said that to get back at Sophie and Eliot for being so pleased when he had to say he didn't steal the dagger after all. It didn't happen for real, Hardison made it up. We know that because in Nate's version they didn't flirt at all.
Bardic Lady said
I do find it odd that Sophie in particular wouldn't remember Eliot's face, given that, as a grifter, people are her strong point.
I think it's because she spent 10 second with him, all they did was introducing themselves with fake names and then it was back to work for the con they were each planning - Nate's version.
Anonymous said
(although, if Eliot and Sophie were really dancing like they were in Hardison's viewpoint, you would think they would remember each other)
Exactly. Another reason I think it didn't happen.
Anonymous said
It was fun to see Nate relaxed and enjoying himself. He has always been my favorite character (even when you've convinced me that he is a bastard sometimes/often, you have not convinced me that he is not a "good guy" underneath it all the while). But I'm so used to seeing him serious, depressed, distant, etc. that I wasn't sure a happy Nate would still be Nate-like (for lack of a better work). Well played.
I loved that too. He's so sexy when he's smiling and happy. I love an intense Nate too but this one, the best!
I love how moved Sophie is when Nate says that they sometimes forget why they stopped working alone and became a team. It's a perfect ending.
It's becoming clear to me that a John Rogers script elevates an already great show the way a Whedon-penned episode did for Buffy.
My only question: For the most part, I think you did a good job of explaining why none of the characters recognized each other by the time of the pilot, but why didn't Nate recognize Sophie from her employee file? Am I correct in assuming that she and he had a history by then? Did he not screen the museum employees? Was this an oversight on his part? Or possibly arrogance, either because he didn't think he needed to screen the museum employees or because he didn't think Sophie could get away with the dagger?
...or did he already know the dagger was a fake?
I really loved seeing everyone sitting around, relaxed, bullshitting like a family. We usually only (and rarely at that) see this in the last minute or two of an ep - especially in season 2 when they would sit around, cook, eat, and talk in Nate's loft after a con was done. This was friends/family spending time together and getting to know each other more. I really loved the change of pace. Awesome job, Mr. Rogers. And thanks for all the time you spend on this blog chatting with us.
I loved this episode, especially the fact that even Nate was an unreliable narrator. I also have a question about Hardison, did his parents simply die, or were they murdered, and has that ever been investigated on the show?
Hi John, loved the episode, congrats to all involved in pulling if off.
I have just one question, you’ve mentioned before that we need to keep our eyes on that envelope/file from Scheherazade, did we see a glimpse of it as Eliot searched through the shipping crate?
@Anon, you said: "Nate knew that Hardison said that to get back at Sophie and Eliot for being so pleased when he had to say he didn't steal the dagger after all. It didn't happen for real, Hardison made it up. We know that because in Nate's version they didn't flirt at all."
I would not be so sure that Nate's version was more accurate than the others. I think it's probably more telling that in Sophie's version (told before she knew the rest of them were there), Eliot was very much flirting with her with her.
@SueN :while Parker's immediate reaction was, "somebody's broken into the security system." She is such a thief!
I took it, not as that's how it was in the past, but rather, having heard Hardison's story, she was embellishing hers as being in the know, as we've seen her do other times this season. (Same as with Sophie's "gun", as a box of flowers wouldn't make a shotgun sound).
In response to the whole flirting issue, I think the key is that Sophie and Eliot both imagined the other as coming on to them. More than a little vanity is at play there for both of them.
Fake Eliot was frankly kind of oily and definitely coming on to Sophie while she was cool and calm. And Eliot's Memory Sophie was a completely unpolished rube who was totally throwing herself at him while he was a bit appalled. They both saw themselves as the cool, collected object of affection of the opposite sex.
As for the dancing thing - totally Hardison's brain IMO. Someone maybe upthread noted that the timing was not right for it to actually have occurred. Plus, if I'm remembering correctly, Hardison does not include that in his principal flashback - he throws it in AFTER when he's taking a dig at Sophie and Eliot. The same way Sophie goes back and changes her Eliot to make him more ridiculous.
Once I looked up "Rashomon"
Marge: "You loved Rashomon!"
Homer: "That's not how I remember it!"
@Oona: Oily? I interpreted Sophie seeing Eliot as a handsome young doctor who pretty much fell instantly in love with her and couldn't keep her eyes off her (notice she imagined the doctor rushing to the ambassador after her, and looking for her after she had left.
Can we just take it as read that if there's a number 7 somewhere on or around Eliot, it's a reference to The House Rules unless context proves otherwise?
I have no questions, though. This was just a fun episode, and a good one to watch multiple times, since there are plenty of little things you might miss on one go and catch on the next. Well done. :)
Dr 'Ipcress'? File that under smart-ass writers! Great 'Rashomon' episode.
I have no questions, only praise. Now, that's what I'm talkin' about, dude! :-)
Watching the Sneak peak for the next ep brougt up another question for me.
Why is/was TNT marketing the last two episodes as the end of the third season?
Those of us who follow the production know the season is really 16 eps but it's very confusing for people who don't. And I've already seen a few reviewers who were wondering how you'd resolve the Moreau arc with only two episodes left in the season.
Another note, Mr. Rogers.
If this episode had been from a Whedon series, Nate and Eliot would have had a moving conversation at the end about Eliot's gratitude and how he'll remember what Nate did for him, even if Nate didn't know what he was doing. On your show, you and the actors conveyed everything in that hypothetical conversation in a look and a nod. This is one of my favorite things about this show. Nothing is too heavy-handed, the characters act like real people, and when a writer wants to say something, they don't drown their audience in words. It's additionally perfect for five characters who don't exactly make a habit of discussing their feelings. You must have a lot of trust in your actors and directors.
Okay, just re-watched, and I have to add:
That's the same actress playing the reporter in this episode as in The Inside Job. Well done with attention to detail!
(Nosy production question - did you have to bring her back to film this bit, or did you just film it when she was on set for The Inside Job? I'm guessing the former because of having to build the museum set, particularly if she was cast locally. Though it does also depend on what order the episodes were filmed in...)
Video Beagle said...
@Oona: Oily? I interpreted Sophie seeing Eliot as a handsome young doctor who pretty much fell instantly in love with her and couldn't keep her eyes off her.
Dude, those glasses alone were oily. ;)
Not to say he didn't have some charm . . . but it was kind of a snakey charm, which I assume is Sophie picking up on Eliot's less than morally upstanding intentions that evening (for the dagger people - JEEZ shippers, settle down!). Sophie has to read people, so picking up a little danger from Fake Eliot is what she should be doing in that situation.
@Oona You think the glasses were oily, but I saw Sophie flirting right back at him. She was clearly having fun.
Hi.
I'm more a lurker than a commenter but there was something that I really wanted to know.
With the argument between Sophie, Hardison & Eliot at the beginning of the show, Sophie's argument was the only one I could make out clearly from start to end. Was the audio manipulated to make her argument stand out over the other two or did it naturally end up that way?
Also, if it's not too much trouble, would it be possible to get a transcript of what Hardison and Eliot were saying during the argument? I'm kind of curious to find out what they'd said.
Questions aside, great episode. Love the how each of the characters are viewed in the other's eyes. Though the view of Sophie's accents was obviously a great bit, I also loved the contrast between how Parker sees her own interaction with other people and Nate's view of how she really is.
Sophie was definitely flattered by what she perceived as flirting, but was he really flirting? If you go by Eliot's memory, he wasn't flirting at all - she was the one being forward and he was put off by it.
That's what's way more interesting about that scene to me - that they both perceived themselves as the objects of affection. And like I said, I do think the grifter in Sophie was picking up some danger in Eliot. The guy was perfectly cast to capture that Southern bad boy lothario type (I grew up in a small town in GA - it's definitely a type).
@Tori Angeli and Oona (and whoever else), I think Sophie is aware enough of her charms to believe that *every* man who wanders (or is pulled) into her orbit falls at least a little bit in love with her. Remember, she also told Nate the dagger's owner "has a bit of a crush" on her. So it would only seem natural that Dr. Abernathy would flirt with her.
We've seen Sophie draw on her sex appeal many times to rope in a client. She couldn't do that with such ease and complete confidence that it would work if she didn't honestly believe men weren't ready to fall for her. ;-)
@Oona I was speaking strictly about Sophie's flashback. She remembers the man as someone she had fun flirting with. She and Eliot are both pretty vain people and if she'd sensed sliminess in him, her sense of the dramatic would oblige her to play that up. Sort of the way Hardison did.
Speaking of vanity, Hardison and the women... XD
Oh, and as for Eliot, we know *he's* a flirt. And I think it's not unreasonable to believe that women coming on to (throwing themselves at? *g*) Eliot Spencer is common enough that he, like Sophie, just kind of expects it.
Not that I personally know anyone who would be so shameless …
@Tori Angeli, "Speaking of vanity, Hardison and the women... XD"
Oh, that was priceless! Every 19-year-old geek's dream. Stephen Hawking's mind in James Bond's body, with every beautiful woman in the place wanting a piece. Clearly self-image is not a problem with him. lol
What I wonder about is Sophie's memory of him slapping that girl's ass at the refreshment table. Was she imagining it simply because she knew of the real Bioko and naturally assumed a guy with such a skeevy reputation would do such a thing?
It's an interesting look at how our minds just naturally fill in details for us.
Much love for this episode. As soon as I read the description I called it as the Spiderman episode of Coupling. Couple quick questions:
1) Was it just me or did the normal leverage background music have a bit of a Coupling spin? Noticed it mostly before Sophie's story, am I just hearing what I want to hear?
2) How hard was it for Gina to pull off an Americanized fake-ass Cockney accent? And the worst dwarf imitation ever? Big ups to her for that, btw.
3) You write such amazing Sophie scenes, is it mostly cause you like making Gina work for her money or because you have an affinity for the character? Do not in any way infer that you don't write them all splendidly, but your Sophie stands out as being particularly amazing :)
OMG i loved this episode. i knew who each of them was just before the reveal (of each), but totally didn't care.
@several folks ~half way up: Nate wasn't telling the fifth, "his" version of events...he said in so many words (though I'll have to re-watch it to catch the exact words) that he was piecing together their four versions along with his to "finally" (i do remember that word) know and tell what really happened.
I just saw an ad for BP, where they are saying how much they care. Now I wanna go steal their dagger.
HYSTERICAL. This has gotta be one of my favorite episodes.
And I gotta say, in retrospect that guy playing the "doctor" in the beginning did a GREAT job, because all through his part I kept thinking, "Why does this guy seem exactly like grifter!Eliot??? SUSPICIOUS."
No question this week, I just wanted to compliment you on the extremely fun ep. I believe you said it was something you had waited awhile to do and were excited for us to see so kudos. I was laughing like a crazy person, I'm sure the neighbors appreciated it.
@kuroshii, I don't trust Nate as far as I can throw him. :-) So let's throw this one to someone in the know . . .
@Rogers, is Nate simply a fifth narrator with more behind-the-scenes information than the others? Or is his version of events actually supposed to be the "real" version, for a given value of "real"?
@Stacy…Dude, I'm so sorry. It was nice knowing you. AND @ChelseaNH…Mai hed asploeded frum awl teh awsum n ai ken onnlee rite lyk dis nao …AND @SueN….about Coswell’s gun…rifle & pump action shotguns having different, ‘distinctive’ sounds! …AND @Hogan…Marge/Homer lines!
LOVED these responses!
@MosNoogaMara…Don’t worry about ‘cluttering up’ the blog - John has repeatedly stated he doesn’t mind us using it for discussion. If you get too nasty or self righteous, John might post asking everyone to calm down like he’s done before (or if you complain about LEVERAGE & can’t spell the characters’ names, you may be bombarded with comments by the ‘regulars’ - as a previous poster found out)
@24jg13…can't we get the other three episodes now instead of December…
Noooooo. This would mean no new Leverage episodes from October until June or July. Aghhhhhhhhh. My LEVERAGE new episode withdrawal periods are already long enough.
Now if they want to do MORE new episodes……
Eliot mentioned the guy after him was sent to prison soon after and he hadn’t thought about him until then. My thought was that statement referred to someone who will show up soon & be connected to Moreau or someone on his team - so, trouble for Eliot.
Dawn/StL-MO
More than 48 hours & still laughing....
John – QUESTIONS:
How many takes for: 1) Beth to catch the coffee cup? & 2) Tim to catch the knife? and 3)Did Tim catch it the first time because he’s the consummate actor, like when golfing on camera for Tap Out Job?
Who would have thought playing with LEGOS might get you an Emmy????
Dawn/StL-MO
(for those not understanding LEGO ref – John tweeted …”big thanks to the writing staff who helped me work out the dagger shuffle. with legos”).
God, this episode was PERFECT. I was expecting it to be fantastic - I wasn't expecting that I'd be laughing so hard I missed half the story the first time I watched! Major, major kudos all the way around! You guys simply outdid yourselves :)
@kuroshii I assumed Nate's version of the truth was closest to what actually happened - if for no other reason than, having heard everyone else's story, he was able to synthesize their versions - but it's Rashomon, for cripe's sake. Nobody's version is *completely* reliable. Where's the fun in that?!?
Question: Regarding the Nate-Gutman-Eliot reveal - to what extent, if any, was Nate aware at the time that taking out Gutman would benefit Eliot? At first I assumed it was inadvertent, but on rewatch that second beat at the bar after everyone else walks out sure reads as Eliot being grateful for more than Nate's unknowing involvement in a happy coincidence. Are we meant to be reminded that Nate, at his chessmaster finest, knows where *all* the pieces are and arranges them exactly as he sees fit?
Can someone enlighten me what Rashomon has to do with this episode?
@evening_shadow
You mentioned being hearing impaired and not getting to listen to the commentaries. That's too bad! Should it be legal, and if you'd like, I wouldn't mind trying to transcribe some of the commentary for a favorite episode or two for you. (It'd have to be season 1, I haven't managed to get the scratch for season 2 yet).
@anon re Roshomon:
According to Amazon.com "This 1950 film by Akira Kurosawa is more than a classic: it's a cinematic archetype that has served as a template for many a film since...In essence, the facts surrounding a rape and murder are told from four different and contradictory points of view, suggesting the nature of truth is something less than absolute."
can't we get the other three episodes now instead of December…
I have the same question.
The music at the beginning of Sophie's version and the typewriter sound & font on the title cards were both nice little nods to Coupling.
No question here - I just love me some Coupling *and* Leverage.
Loved the episdoe. Of course. Tons of fun.
BTW, did you hear about the theft of a gold bar worth $550,000 from the Mel fisher Maritime Museum in Key West, FL? The security system has good images of the perps messing with the display case, but so far they're still at large. I saw the vid on the news this morning--the job wasn't done as neatly as the Leverage gang's work.
Here's a link to the story:
http://tiny.cc/29bkj
Watch the video...it contains the vid of the perps. They simply broke the display case and took the gold.
Please settle a debate from TWoP - did Sophie put some kind of shrimp juice or shrimp product in the Minister's drink to cause an allergic reaction or did she put something to make him sick and then just point out that the food he'd been eating had shrimp in it, making everyone believe he was having an allergic reaction? A moot question, I know, since the Minister/Hardison never drank the drink, but still...
Fantastic episode. I loved it.
I have one question based on a topic that was raised over at the RPG.net forums. Apologies if it's already been asked, but I'm a little too short on time to read all 250ish comments.
Someone over on those forums said:
"I expected Nate to be the head of security."
And someone replied:
"Are we so sure he wasn't? Nate claims that he was working in the shadows the whole time, and makes the Head of Security to be a buffoon, but everyone else remembers the security head being impressively competent. The few things we see Nate do, in his telling, are impossibly talented, such as being in the exact spot to catch the dagger after the security head fails to trap Parker in the vents. In Nate's telling, the Head of Security exhibits a lot of Nate's....less savory, shall we say, personal traits -- he wants to drink on the job, he's a bit hung up over Sophie, etc. And in that final scene between Nate, the security head, and the dagger's owner, there's that interesting bit of staging where the security head crosses the room to stand behind Nate, and he helps Nate create the cover story regarding the dagger's theft -- a conversation that sounds an awful lot like Nate talking to himself.
I give the show credit for keeping it ambiguous, but my money's on Nate's version having just as much license as the other four."
Which is a wonderful theory. I'm not convinced it works. But basically I'm asking if Nate's telling as subjective as the other four? Or can we take it as a more or less objective re-telling of the theft?
Regardless of whether you guys meant it or not, is it at even possible Nate was head of security? I don't know if it works. Five years ago, Nate and Sophie would already know each other and she'd have recognised him. So I think it just doesn't work. Shame - it's a wonderful interpretation of the story.
Once again - great episode. Made a nice change of pace from the regular (though also great) types of episode. And now I'm really eager to see the final few Summer episodes. :)
@24jg13 and various others
As much as I'd like see all of the episodes asap, we can't have the last three now instead of December.
Episode 314 is the reason why it has to be shown in winter, the plot wouldn't really work in the summer.
I was re-watching "The Jailhouse Job" and I just realized that Eliot goes by Dr. Abernathy. That's the same doctor in this episode isn't it?
@Jp Corkery - Sophie and Nate have known each other longer than five years (The Mile High Job), so Nate couldn't have been the head of Security... Sophie had lots of dealings with the man as Dr. Ipcress.
My theory is that Nate could have known Sophie was around...but it became obvious to him that the owner of the dagger was dabbling in insurance fraud and that took precedence. If he could have caught Sophie as he took down the owner, he would have, but since he couldn't...
One thing has been bugging me for a long time. Why does Kane always whisper his lines? It's annoying and I can't even pay attention to what he's saying anymore so I'm probably missing some lines important to the plot. Could he start talking normally please?
@Dawn/StL-MO said...
@24jg13…can't we get the other three episodes now instead of December…
Noooooo. This would mean no new Leverage episodes from October until June or July. Aghhhhhhhhh. My LEVERAGE new episode withdrawal periods are already long enough.
Now if they want to do MORE new episodes……
Oh but then we could have season 3 for Christmas and I’ve been such a good girl. LOL
@Jane said...
@24jg13 and various others
As much as I'd like see all of the episodes asap, we can't have the last three now instead of December.
Episode 314 is the reason why it has to be shown in winter, the plot wouldn't really work in the summer.
Ahhh the infamous holiday episode. Oh well.
@Anonymous said...
One thing has been bugging me for a long time. Why does Kane always whisper his lines? It's annoying and I can't even pay attention to what he's saying anymore so I'm probably missing some lines important to the plot. Could he start talking normally please?
WTF, sounds just fine to me.
I appreciate this episode for its cleverness and exhilaration, for the way it builds on what you've already established (you can only play at these heights when you've well established the levels you're playing with), for its tightness and elegance and discipline and consistency. There's pratfalls and bedroom-style farce with sneaking around doors at just the right moment, coupled with the system-by-system reveals of the tapestry strands. Maybe I'm just high on the laughter, but this feels like the Leverage that Douglas Hofstadter would write as an appendix to Gödel, Escher, Bach: An Eternal Golden Braid.
FINALLY...proof we're in Southie...a picture of JFK in an Irish Bar....I'll take that over the Sox/Bruins/Celts/Pats imaging thing......
@Jp Corkery I'll admit at one point in the ep I totally thought Coswell would turn out be Nate, but you're right that ultimately it just doesn't make sense. At the very least he and Sophie knew one another, making both the events of that night and the four-month-long Ipcress con impossible, and I think it's a stretch to assume *neither* Eliot or Parker had dealt with him yet at that point (especially considering that they would both know/trust him enough to join his team within the next two years or so).
You know what theory I do like, though? That Nate was *never even there* that night. Think about it...that's right... Here, you can borrow my tin hat, it's quite comfortable :)
John, and the rest of the writers room:
Thank you for the Akira Kurosawa goodness! Loved it! It is my favorite episode of the entire series run thus far.
I apologize if this has already been addressed? Who wrote the episode? Was it yourself, or a collaborative effort with each of the centric character's writing team working on their version of the tale?
I loved how we went through the team members in the order they're shown in the credits. Very smart and fun episode. The best part had to be Sophie's changing accents and her outrage, especially when Parker only heard gibberish hahahahaha. How did Gina (or anyone else for that matter) make it through that scene without cracking up? My one question:
In Nate's version, he's walking up the staircase right after Sophie, and granted he was talking to the security guy, but how did he not see her? Just didn't realize it was her? And how didn't Sophie hear him talking behind her? Not trying to ruin the fun train, just all the nitty little details we all tend to wonder about ;)
Did I hear Hardison saying "Absitively posolutely!"?? So, he is Dodger? :-)
One further comment/question: Did I just imagine things or did Hardison, in the scene where he pretends he actually had the dagger (a few seconds later replayed as dismayed not having the dagger) pull a perfect copy of an Eddie Murphy as Axel Foley-face?
What fun! Thanks to all of you. Two questions (and pardon me if I've repeated someone).
1. Nate was just being sarcastic when he said he'd go back to jail "forever" if they didn't find Moreau, wasn't he? I can't think of anything he did that would warrant a life sentance, and what the hell, he gave state's evidence. He may be a thief, but he's still a good guy.
2. Sophie gives some of her artwork to the museum to be exhibited while the dagger is on display to get an easy in. Why isn't she worried that someone will recognize one of her pieces as a stolen item? Or are these suppose to be items she bought with, perhaps, proceeds from stolen goods?
Thanks.
@Maya about Nate's ring:
I have no clue about significance of the ring, but for me, noticing the flash of gold on his finger at McRory's made me notice that he was NOT wearing a ring when he snapped the dagger in two...I don't think I would have noticed, otherwise.
Genius. THis episode was just pure genius.
A lot of other people have given shout-outs to favorite parts of the episodes (Sophie's dress --RAWR; the accents gag; the knife) so I won't go over all that again, because by now you must know those scenes were pure win. I must say I thought it was...not so much funny as kind of cute when, in the very beginning of the episode, Hardison and Eliot and Sophie are arguing about who stole the dagger and Parker goes to the back to get Nate. Kind of like a little kid getting daddy to break up a fight between the other siblings. Loved that familial aspect of it.
I've never seen Rashoman, but now I have to at least google it, if not rent it. So kudos, John Rogers. Kudos.
No questions (everyone else has pretty much got that covered). Just keep doing an amazing job like you've been.
And again I say: GENIUS.
No question here, either, just another chiming in of how awesome this episode was. Thank you!!
To say nothing of writing it well, I adore how well the actors pulled it off. That had to be hard! I found myself wondering what it was like on set, and if I had to ask anything, it would be to beg for the (surely hilariously fun) outtakes to be put on the dvds! Please?
I'm a longtime fan (from season one.) I join the masses in loving this ep, it was absolutely laugh out loud funny. I enjoyed the same scenes as the everyone else with
Sophie's rendition of Eliot's southern redneck accent at the top my list.
Two scenes that I haven't seen posted: Parker catching the mug (beautiful!) and Eliot shoving Hardison through the door on the way to the first station (during the "Hitter" version.)
As you can gather from the posts, John, the women fans of leverage WANT the 7 on the back of CK's vest to be house rule #7 - including me.
As I suspect that's not the literal truth, I'm asking if in the creative reality we all share we could make it be the truth from this point forward. In the famous words of Sheryl Crow "Lie to me, I promise to believe."
Thanks for a great show!
No questions really. I just wanted to say I loved this episode, especially the little looks between Nate and Parker and Nate and Eliot. Great episode!
A bit late to the party this week, but I have to say -- Fantastic episode!
I picked out Parker and Eliot's doubles in Sophie's story right away (good casting), but had no idea about Hardison and Nate being in the thick of things as well. Loved Sophie's increasing frustration at the rest of the team mangling her accent(s). And a wonderful array of guest performances by John Billingsly. When he showed up in the first go-round I knew we were in for a real treat.
Oh, and it's a little detail, but thank you for having the title card for Nate's story be "Mastermind".
"So I wonder if Nate's version was really the way it was, or if perhaps we had five unreliable narrators. "
I'm going with five unreliable narrators. (See KRAD's comments upthread.)
@whimseyrhodes: "Do you (or any of the cast/crew) ever read any of the fanfiction on the internet?"
From what I know of the TV industry, they're probably not legally allowed to, lest there be accusations of plagiarism. Most productions won't even accept unsolicited scripts for the same reason.
"Are we ever going to meet Hardison's Nana? Because that'd be awesome."
If we do, I hope she's played by Nichelle Nichols. Just 'cause that'd be even more awesome. :)
@Lydia: "...did Eliot have short hair five years ago...?"
Well, Kane certainly did. Or at least shorter. Behold, Lindsay MacDonald in his shaggy glory. And a few years before that he looked even more like Doc Abernathy. ::swoon::
@IMForeman: That drawing is astounding! I'm seriously considering printing it out so I can carry it around with me. XD
@Kimmie the Nutter: Shadime! ;)
"Why does Kane always whisper his lines?"
That's not a whisper, that's an undertone. One more time, everybody: Eliot is Batman. (And personally, I find that voice sexy as hell.)
My only question at this point is: How much fun was this episode to write and film? 'Cause it looks like you guys had a blast.
@Robin Thanks! If you're gonna print it, make sure to use the one on the "Download Image" link. It's full sized, 3000x3000. That'll give you the best possible quality.
We're really in Southie because of the JFK picture over the bar...
I work at UMass, where for some time our university president was William Bulger of South Boston, formerly president of the state senate and one of the most powerful politicians in the state. (His brother Whitey Bulger is a notorious gangster and still a fugitive, inspiring among other things the Law & Order episode where Michael O'Keefe played identical twins. Holy shit -- I just checked O'Keefe's Wikipedia page to get the spelling right and discovered that he used to be married to Bonnie Raitt! But I digress...)
A colleague of mine won a (well-deserved) letter of commendation from the state senate for services to the university. It was presented by a guy from Bulger's UMass office who appeared to a long-time aide from his political days. The guy said that every mantlepiece in South Boston had three things on it -- a crucifix, a framed portrait of JFK, and a letter of commendation from the state senate...
Congratulations. I don't think I've ever rewatched an episode this many times in less than a week, and the plot only gets tighter with each viewing. I enjoy it more and more every time.
Does Parker steal Nate's mail?
@scooter5203249, Nate will go back to prison forever if they don't find Moreau, but not to any U.S. one. He will be deposited in the bowels of some dark, deep Roman fortress courtesy of The Italian.
@lily: "for a given value of real"...was of course a given. ;)
Eliot is Batman
hahahaha
I don't have any questions, I just needed to say how much I enjoyed that hour of television.
@Ally…3) What exactly was Nate doing in the "security office" and what made him come out to check the hallways?
Hope this isn't too detailed: A red flag IMMEDIATELY goes up at an insurance company when there are a cluster of claims - especially when all claims happened under the same circumstances &/or if all items stolen were costly. There usually are specific provisions in these types of policies giving the insurance company authority to deny additional losses if the insured (in this case the museum) doesn’t take the necessary precautions to avoid another theft. Precautions could include a more advanced security system, more guards on duty, guards checking doors more frequently to make sure they’re secured, etc.
The museum had 3 substantial losses in under a year. Nate’s company probably told the museum they needed to install a new, more advanced security system. Once installed, it must be inspected by an authorized insurance company representative (probably in this case, Nate) or additional losses could be denied.
When Nate was walking up the stairs with Gladstone, he said IYS was NOT going to pay on the dagger if it was stolen. Since Hardison attended the event to be the FIRST to hack into the museum’s new, advanced system, Nate was probably headed to the “security office” to inspect the ‘new’ equipment.
Figured after Nate checked the new system, he went into the hallway to check for additional precautions (remember he had a walkie-talkie type gizmo & called Gladstone telling him there were some unsecured doors that needed to be checked).
@Nicole … at the beginning of the episode when they are all arguing over who stole the dagger, why doesn't Parker chime in since she was the one that was the closest to actually getting it? It seems like she wouldn't have said anything if Nate hadn't pointed it out.
Thought Parker didn’t chime in because she knew she DIDN’T actually steal it, just TRIED to steal it – In her mind, almost getting it does NOT constitute stealing it.
JonRog1 – my questions:
A) When Eliot’s in the van opening the crate, first he tosses & breaks the “Ming” vase (hysterical) the next thing he pulled out was a pocketed folder with papers in it. Was the information in the folder something regarding Moreau?
B) In Parker’s pov, she crawled into the storage room from the vent, set her duffle bag down & went for the door. She couldn’t get out the door because Eliot & the security guard he tackled were leaning against it, so she went to Plan B. If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag? Was it just a move to make the bag switch work & I should just ride the fun train?
THANKS AGAIN FOR ALL THE TIME YOU SPEND DOING THIS!
So there is some debate about this episode. Would Sophie really put a mark's life at risk to continue a Grift? I like the idea that even though Sophie was a high class criminal Sophie wasn't a nice person, not even a nice criminal back then.
@Gdex:
But of course... remember in Two Live Crew, the shot of Chaos in the van angrily packing up his stuff to get out of there after they were duped... he was explaining why he tried to get Sophie out of the picture when leader-guy wanted to bring her in, because it had never been leader-guy they were afraid of (or able to pull his own con past) - it was Sophie.
So yeah... it's easy to see her having a wicked streak under the smooth grifter's mask to get what she wanted, then.
Sir,
I am very pleased with this week's episode. Great work as usual, Mr. Rogers. The fact you've written this episode only furthers my praise for your work with Leverage. Great work, once again.
I find it curious that in five years ago, when Nate exposed the fraud that Mr. Gutman was perpetrating (putting actual items on black market and then staging theft of fakes), part of settlement was for Nate's old insurance company to take possession of the real dagger.
Now the real dagger ends up in hand of oil tycoon five years later. I'm guessing that IYS Insurance has forgotten all about the real dagger until five years later or something and then sold it to oil tycoon by that time.
--
J.S.
I find it curious that in five years ago, when Nate exposed the fraud that Mr. Gutman was perpetrating (putting actual items on black market and then staging theft of fakes), part of settlement was for Nate's old insurance company to take possession of the real dagger.
Now the real dagger ends up in hand of oil tycoon five years later. I'm guessing that IYS Insurance has forgotten all about the real dagger until five years later or something and then sold it to oil tycoon by that time.
--
J.S.
Dagger is pretty dangerous those days... PERHAPS more than guns...
@Dawn/StL-MO: ... If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag?
I thought she was stashing the bag in the storage room because the bag had her climbing rig in it, which she didn't need until it was time to escape via the storage room vent to the shaft to the roof. She wouldn't need to lug the bag around while stealing the dagger, given that she was coming back through that room on her way out.
The whole British accent thing (which was fantastic by the way) got me thinking. As far as I remember the only cons the Leverage team has pulled outside of the US are 'The Stork Job' and 'The Zanzibar Marketplace Job', yet we get the impression from the flashbacks that both Sophie and Eliot were pretty international operators in their former lives. Is there any chance of seeing the team do any more international cons in the future? I'd love to see them in the UK.
@Rogers:
Dad, can we have Nichelle Nichols for Hardison's Nana?
P-l-e-a-s-e???
We promise we'll be good!
@Lily
To @Dawn/StL-MO: ... If Parker was really planning on walking out the storage room door, why would she have put down her bag?
Lily replied: I thought she was stashing the bag in the storage room because the bag had her climbing rig in it, which she didn't need until it was time to escape via the storage room vent to the shaft to the roof. She wouldn't need to lug the bag around while stealing the dagger, given that she was coming back through that room on her way out.
Totally forgot Parker didn’t have the dagger yet when she went into the storage room. Thanks!
@Tom …Is there any chance of seeing the team do any more international cons in the future? I'd love to see them in the UK.
This Sunday (Aug 29th)the team will be in the UK on “The King George Job”
Also, there was an error on my insurance explaination earlier too. Nate was walking up the stairs w/Causwell, NOT Gladstone. Sorry!
Dawn/StL-MO
Something came to mind...was this Nate's first encounter with Hardison?
My group of Grifters think this is one of our favorite episodes of all time. This is just the kind of backstory linking we always posit would be so much fun. And it was! The most fun! The Leverage team is so perfectly suited to such bouts of friendly competition. We picture boardgame nights at Leverage Consulting to be very interesting. Which brings me to ask, who would win at Monopoly? Assuming they all cheat of course.
My main question for this ep, however, is this: Does realizing they have NEW first impressions of each other change anything for any of the Leverage crew?
PS. My friend reading over my shoulder insists I ask if we're ever going to see Sophie's shoe warehouse, because she and Sophie have scarily similar style(She's going to be her when my group of Grifters cosplay the Leverage cast).
I'm not sure why so many are resisting Sophie and Eliot together. It was way in the past and they are both known for their flirtatious natures. I have no doubt that they were both quite taken with each other (since they are both quite good looking and awesomely suave) and that more would have happened had they not been centered on the job at hand. That distraction, I believe, was why Sophie did not remember Eliot when she met him next but I guarantee that Eliot knew it was her when they met again. I don't believe Eliot ever forgets a face. It's his job. He had no reason to ever bring it up (firstly, it was a few minutes at a public funcion, and secondly, because he wouldn't want Nate to catch wind of such doings). And I resent the 'oily' remark. The doctor was quite debonair and I would have swooned in his arms anytime.
Now about the ending look between Eliot and Nate. I've noticed that every time there is something for Eliot to 'do' . . . he looks at Nate for the 'nod'. Check out on the roof with Richard Chamberlin with the two guys behind them and he waits on Nate before he takes them down. There's more examples but that's one. So I thought he was looking at Nate to see if he was going to allow the 'kids' to go steal something just for competition (which is new cause remember on a previous episode Sophie wants to keep the diamonds and Nate nixes that idea), or if he, Eliot, was going to have to go round them up and bring them back home. Which is why when he got the 'nod', he laughed and was glad they were going to be allowed to play. On the last several shows, Eliot waits to take any action until Nate gives the okay.
If it was really thanks, that would have been a little much for two men such as Nate and Eliot. Eliot could take the bad guy out if he wanted all by himself . . . :)
OH! I just found this on iF's interview with John Billingsley and it might answer someone's earlier question. He said,
"from everyone’s point of view except Nate’s, I am fearsome and frightening. From Nate’s point of view, which of course is the real point of view, I’m in fact a sweet and hapless bumbler." So Nate's point of view IS the real one. Ha!
In talking about Eliot and Sophie,I forgot to say that I think the only reason Eliot told his story the way he did is because Sophie had already put too romantic a spin on it and he didn't want Nate to think there was anything to it. So he made it seem as though he wasn't the least bit interested. Guys do that.
@ Dawn
"This Sunday (Aug 29th)the team will be in the UK on “The King George Job”"
Well that was the fastest wish granting ever. Awesome.
@maverickkid, I'm still not convinced that Nate's is the "real" (definitive) version. It's a logical synthesis of the other accounts, but it's still Nate's version.
I keep coming back to Coswell (God, do I love John Billingsley!) and how they all saw him. Five years ago, Sophie, Eliot and Parker were experienced, professional criminals at the top of their game (and, presumably, the CrimeWorld heap). Their success in any given job (not to mention their safety) would depend on a thorough and accurate assessment of the security systems/personnel they'll face (though, granted, for Eliot this was a last minute job). I can't see them so completely misjudging Coswell that they would mistake bumbling for competence. I can see them overestimating slightly, just to have all bases covered (and possibly to make themselves look even better – "I outsmarted the best"), but not completely missing the mark.
For instance, with Sophie, I can see her missing any cue that Coswell might be smitten with "Dr. Ipcress" simply because, as a thief, she would naturally assume the security chief asking certain questions would be evidence of suspicion rather than infatuation. And her natural flair for the dramatic might explain why she sees rifle instead of box w/flowers. (And it's interesting that Eliot, who would almost certainly notice armament first, saw box and not weapon.)
But we know that Nate has a slight, um, arrogance problem, and his supreme confidence in his own intellectual superiority often colors his perceptions of everyone else around him ("Zanzibar Marketplace," anyone?) He's a smug bastard who can be very dismissive even of those whose opinions/expertise he should respect (like the team). So I can see him "overstating" Coswell's preoccupation with Dr. Ipcress (and not making the connection between Gladstone's previous three "stolen" pieces and the dagger) to the point of turning the man into an incompetent idiot who needed the brilliant Nate Ford to save the day.
If Coswell really were as utterly incompetent as Nate imagines, how would the museum be allowed to keep him on as head of security? Surely insurance companies would have raised a ruckus (to the point of refusing to cover items displayed there) and the private owners who lend pieces would have demanded better security. So I tend to think the "true" Coswell lies somewhere between Sophie's cold-eyed, rifle-toting security Nazi and Nate's puppy-eyed fool.
Damn, Rogers, any chance on the DVD we could get an "extra" of Coswell's take on that night? 'Cause that would be awesome!
Oh, and on Nana …
If not Nichelle Nichols, then Pam Grier, please, pretty please, with the whiskey of your choice on top?
'Cause, seriously, watching Eliot's head explode when Hardison's Nana turns out to be Foxy Brown/Amanda Waller … what's the point beyond epic???
SueN. said...
@scooter5203249, Nate will go back to prison forever if they don't find Moreau, but not to any U.S. one. He will be deposited in the bowels of some dark, deep Roman fortress courtesy of The Italian.
Oh, jeez. I'd blocked that out. I hate to think of Nate in a fetid foreign dungeon.
I know everyone has already said it but amazing episode! Loved it.
Question: When did Parker start being able to understand Sophie? Or was it more to do with the fact she just didn't care to really listen to what some random Duchess was saying.
@Barb the shipping address was Duchess Barrington Highsworth Estates 341 Warren Raos Ellis County UK
Ok, I'm trying to follow the box (the smaller box) that the dagger was suppose to be in: Sophie never actually gets it because hardison reroutes the dagger to stay in the museum OR eliot took it out in the back of the truck and never put it back. It really should only be one or the other, not both. If Hardison rerouted it, then the little box never should have been put in the big box where Eliot took it out of and found the mug. And how exactly would eliot have known who the dagger (or which large crate) was shipping too? Granted, these are their stories and we are probably not getting the whole truth. I'm just confused as to why they (museum staff) wouldn't have put it back in it's case before putting it in the storage locker?
This was by far, the most fun episode of the season. I could tell watching it, that all involved had the maximimum amount of fun with their roles. (As always.) 1. Did Gina get to pick the accents that everybody interpreted Sophie as? 2. Was the giant 7 on Eliot's shirt a nod to Rule #7?
One more question, if I may.
Was there any particular reason for the discrepancy of Nate being called "Brains" in the opening credits and "Mastermind" in the intro to his scenario?
So, kind of a frivolous question, but the discussion has happened a couple of times, at home and at work - and I brought up the point on another message board. I'd love your take on it.
When Sophie's telling her story, "Dr. Abernathy" has short hair, but in each subsequent version, Eliot has his current long hair, albeit in a ponytail. The "waitress", before we know it's Parker, has long blond hair not in a ponytail. After Parker is revealed, her hair is always in a ponytail.
My take was that, once each of them knew the other(s) were involved, they were 'seeing' them in the retelling as looking like they currently do - thus the subtle changes.
This is similar to how, for example, Eliot's attitude and actions with the knife (not to mention the knife itself, lol) kept changing to fit how the others perceive Eliot now.
So, was it really thought out that far, down to the hairstyles?
*kneels in genuflection*
No question or pretentious rambling from me today. I'll just say that my favorite bits were ELIOT WHIPPING OUT A THROWING KNIFE and all versions of the choking crisis, particularly the "death will not claim you this day" that Sophie heard and Parker's gleeful presentation of the knife. And of course, "It's a very distinctive smell."
Also, man, even the most oblique references to Maggie make me sad that Kari Matchett was (very smartly) snatched up by Covert Affairs, although I do very much enjoy that show.
Anyway. I bow before your greatness and that of your cast and crew.
Am I the first guy to notice Gutman as a Maltese Falcon reference?
Either way, this is definitely my favorite episode of this season, and in the top five.
I also wonder if Nana is fictional or maybe Hardison's original con mentor - like the reveal at the end of the Maverick movie "My pappy always used to say..."
On a second viewing, I appreciate Nate's view of things a lot more. First, of course, the look on his face at the "I STOLE IT!" moment, where he not only is clearly thinking, with the audience, "This is gonna be good," but "Oh, good, I've been wondering about this..."
But what was really striking to me was that in Nate's version, all three of The Kids are not only toned down, as it were, but more sympathetic, nicer. Eliot being the one to make the observation about the "minister's" throat closing and seeming resigned to taking control of the situation as the resident Competent Man, Parker presenting the knife carefully and with apparent concern--with our knowledge of Parker's lack of emotional filtering ability, especially five years ago--and later, Hardison thrown off his game and asking Coswell if he needed a tissue. Maybe it's better if you leave this unanswered, but it's interesting to wonder if that's really how they all were, or if it's how Nate wants them to see themselves, or if those details didn't actually come through in his telling of the story but are how he chooses to see them and maybe even has always seen them.
The "minister" slapping a random woman's ass in Sophie's telling is ten times funnier when you know it's Hardison. Whether he actually did it or not, you know he wanted to.
I also want to echo what @la_ma_ said above about this episode making the team "our" characters, really rewarding the long-time viewers (or, uh, those of us who watched dozens of episodes in two weeks on Netflix Instant to catch up for the tail end of season two after we stumbled on The Future Job while channel-surfing...). Truly a golden moment for the show. Again, I bow before your greatness. And I thank you for these characters.
Dear Sweet Ever-Loving Lord!
Just when I thought I couldn't love this series more, you had to go and make this episode.
::standing ovation::
Please for the love of GOD (or the flying spaghetti monster, if that's your thing), give everyone a HUGE raise just for making this episode. You made my night. I haven't laughed this much at programmed television in a LONG time. Sophie's reactions to the team's interpretations of her accent were absolutely priceless.
I cannot express enough love for this episode. Encore! Encore! If you can make more one-shots like this in the future, please do so! While I love the heist cons avenging the downtrodden, this was a spectacular diversion.
Top 5 episode. Well done.
@Kris said..."Kids are not only toned down, as it were, but more sympathetic, nicer."
Good observation! I never thought of that until you said it!
OMG! If there was ever an episode to hook the uninitiated, this would be it - they'd miss some of the more subtle jokes (Sophie thinking Caswell was carrying a gun, for instance), but man oh man, but a well-structured and fun ride! Bravo!!!
I laughed several times and immediately rewatched it. :) It was just too good. Period.
Questions
1) Does that pic Hardison snapped of Eliot and Sophie exist somewhere?
2) Why did everyone remember Caswell being such a hard-@$$? Do they feel that way naturally about all authority figures?
3) Current status of Hardison's nana? (Sorry if it's already been addressed).
4) Was it hard to clear the bit about Baron Oil?
Thanks so much for this ep!
@maverickkid -- re: Eliot looking for Nate's say-so on jobs
We know that Eliot has a military (probably special-ops) background, so he works well in a hierarchy. During jobs, Nate is the mastermind, the "commanding officer", if you will, so Eliot confirms his orders before taking action. I happened to be watching the special features on the season 1 DVDs recently, and Christian's take on that relationship is pretty clear. If the team is a gun, then Nate is the trigger and Eliot is the bullet.
Plus, we've seen in 'Tap-Out' that Eliot is a creature of violence with a very tight leash on himself. If he's going off the leash, he wants a second opinion that it's okay to do so first. I'm not sure if the increasing frequency of him checking with Nate indicates an increasing distrust of his own judgment, or just a natural evolution of their relationship, but it seems to be working.
Hm. I may have overstated my case a bit, in hindsight, given everyone's drastic misreading of Coswell, but I guess since that choking scene is so central I was paying a lot of attention to it.
Ah! Maybe I've got it. (Sorry to keep coming back to this.) Maybe it's that in Nate's version they're all a little more focused and professional. With the exception of Sophie (maybe because she told her version first), the others all claimed to have been thrown off-balance by their encounters with each other, but in Nate's telling, that doesn't happen. Parker blows off both Sophie and Coswell rather than being freaked out (although both reactions are perfectly Parker), Hardison rolls with the allergy thing, and Eliot is, well, Eliot. I don't know where I'm going with this other than to keep saying things everyone already knows, so I'll stop now....
@maverickkid and @robin --re: Eliot looking for Nate's say-so
That's an interesting way of seeing that scene, and like it, but not sure I entirely buy. At the end, he didn't seem to be waiting for Nate's permission. He was still kind of 'huh' at learning Nate's part in 'helping' him, and was the first in giving him a more pointed nod of 'thanks dude/we're cool', knowing Nate would be all for bringing down the CEO, to which Nate returned the sentiment and we all get warm fuzzies at how close the team has gotten and how well they get each other as he heads off with mirth at how things turned out with 'doing what they do' now.
Upon watching it again... it does look like a bit of 'go ahead' thrown in... so what do you guys think: wouldn't Eliot run off to have fun with the kids even if Nate didn't initiate it?
First of all: Absolutely frickin' awesome episode!
Question: Why isn't Nate wearing a wedding ring in the flashback? And what, on the other hand, is that ring that he's wearing on his right hand in the bar?
My God that was good. It ran wonderfully, and at times it felt like The Italian Job, and Oceans 11. This would play so well on a big screen!
Ok. What was it like to write this one? I know that sometimes a story can just pour effortlessly out, and other times it's like pulling teeth. Where was this one?
Talk about expositing character during the con! Doubly! Showing how they see the others says more about...ahh. Hail to the Moffat.
1) Loved the episode; Moffat should be proud. But where were the sausages on the refreshment table? 2) Did the flashbacks take place at a time when roses would have helped Nate's marriage, or was it too late? I'm a little hazy on the timeline. 3) Ed Quinn showed up on Eureka. Shirtless. [Sound of gauntlet hitting the ground.]
Best episode ever.
Would love to hear about the inspiration for the music going into each of the segments. Sophie's had a Pink Pantherish air of I'm-looking-for-a-princess-to-marry-or-rob. Hardison's had a jaunty James Bond-ish feeling. And Parker's sounded sort of old-style light-hearted Georgy Girl.
Any information appreciated.
Just for the record, was Parker's version of Sophie's accent supposed to be complete gibberish, or was it actually meant to sound like something?
Just wondering (and I don't know if you'll see this because there are a ridiculous amount of questions) Is Hardison's Nana still alive and around?
Beth tweeted about The Rashomon Job "you should see the outtakes" Please tell me there were a lot of outtakes on this episode and that you are going to put them on the Season 3 DVD. The episode was pure comedy genius and I'm guessing the outtakes go above and beyond ,you can kinda see Christians face musclesmove into a grin when Gina gives her dialog in his version of the story.I've missed this kind of t.v., thanks for bringing it back.
I don't know if someone already asked this, but earlier in the "hitter" part of the episodes, why was there the number 7 on the back of eliot's vest?
@Rogers: You WILL submit The Rashomon Job for a writing emmy, won't you? Besides being absolutely hilarious, the ending is a beautiful metaphor for what we could all do if we worked together.
@Rogers, you are an awesome creative force!
From an earlier post...
Will Parker ever be the Fiddle?
Will Parker ever be the head of a con? (With Nathan or Sophie's help) We had a little taste of that in the Juror # 6 Job? She's brought them in before but they're immediately handed over to Sophie or Nate. She's come a long way in a grift perspective. Is it easier for her when the mark is female?
Again, I hope I'm not too late to add questions, cause I've got plenty of them for this episode...
(mostly Parker related, because Beth Riesgraf does some amazing subtle work all throughout this episode. Especially since it's Parker being subtle. )
I love how during the argument Parker's instinct said "Go get Nate". For her, is he more a referee figure, a teacher who's got detention duty or was it more like "Nate can fix any problem! It's his superpower!"? (Note she's also the first person who figured out Nate was there.)
I also noticed how she wasn't arguing with the others, even though she had a dagger story. Is it A) because she knows she lost the dagger, B) because she believes (without the argument) that she stole it, OR C) does she just want the arguing to stop?
I never thought I say this, but considering this is her nakama (family) re: "The Inside Job" is she (along with probably Sophie, in general) acting as the internal peacemaker of this bunch?
and
I'm assuming everyone's mad at Parker, not because she stole the dagger, but because she didn't say anything about stealing it?
and
Did Beth Riesgraf actual do her cup and ball bit? And how?
and
During Hardison's explanation, she seems confused - is that her working out what happened before her theft or did Parker accidently fool herself with her cup and balls routine? It is Parker... (During a later read of my own post (Note she's also the first person who figured out Nate was there.) Is that when she realized Nate had been there that night?)
Why are they all arguing that they stole it even though none of them had hands on it at the end of the night?
Is there a reason Eliot's vest have a seven on the back?
Anybody noticed Hardison still managed to annoy Eliot in the two seconds they were together in that "Doctor, I owe you" bit?
How did Hardison gain 200 pounds? I know this is perception based episode but how did he gain a whole person weight wise in both Sophie and Eliot's story? Especially since a good portion of Eliot's expertise is sizing up opponents and paying attention to what is around him.
Well done on an excellent episode. This is by far one of my favorite episodes. I love how Sophie's accent changes with each person and laugh every time I re watch the episode how she changes her story to change Eliot. It really looks like the actors all had fun with this episode. I was wondering - (and I apologize if someone else already asked however I could not read all the other comments), was the shots at the museum shot before the bar sequence so everyone knew what was happening? If not I have to say congurats to the writers room for timing everything perfectly. The oil company that is mentioned at the end is that by any chance a dig at BP? Also the little nod that Eliot gives Nate right at the end is a thank you for getting the guy who sent him after the dagger right? - because Nate does say your welcome to Eliot just minutes before and you can see on Eliot's face that he figures that Nate caught him before everyone else. Thank you again for an incredible episode.
Not adding any more questions to the long queue that's already there. Just praise.
Absotively posilutely awesome!!
And Eliot mimicking glasses with shot glasses? Not only cute, but also genius. There's this theory that the first shot glasses were produced by the Jenaer glass manufacture (Friedrich Schott being one of the founders, hence the name 'shot' glass) and Carl Zeiss Jena, as it's known today, are famous for inventing one of the first corrective lenses.
Show, never change! :-)
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Penderita Penyakit kondiloma atau Kutil Kelamin yang telah terinveksi disarankan untuk segera melakukan pengobatan secepat mungkin sebelum Virus HPV penyebab kutil kelamin makin banyak berkembang biak di dalam sel darah makin lama dibiarkan akan memperparah kondisi organ vital karena kutil kelamin akan terus membesar sehingga terlihat seperti jengger ayam untuk penderita yang baru tertular kurang dari satu bulan biasanya akan lebih cepat ditanggulangi obat kutil kelamin Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatkutildikemaluan.blogdetik.com/ untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil pada kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" AlamiAdalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.
cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil
Apabila anda sedang mencari pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk pria maupun wanita segera kunjungi kami http://obatkutilkelaminwanita.blogdetik.com cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil
cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil
Apabila anda sedang mencari pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk pria maupun wanita segera kunjungi kami http://obatkutilkelaminwanita.blogdetik.com cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil
Penyakit kencing nanah bisa disebabkan oleh beberapa faktor seperti seks bebas, penularan, virus hpv, lingkungan, gaya hidup dan lainnya, Maka dari itu kita harus waspada dengan penyakit kencing nanah ini, karena penyakit kencing nanah sangatlah berbahaya, Namun untuk anda yang menderita penyakit kencing nanah, maka anda tidak perlu khawatir,
Penyakit kencing nanah bisa disebabkan oleh beberapa faktor seperti seks bebas, penularan, virus hpv, lingkungan, gaya hidup dan lainnya, Maka dari itu kita harus waspada dengan penyakit kencing nanah ini, karena penyakit kencing nanah sangatlah berbahaya, Namun untuk anda yang menderita penyakit kencing nanah, maka anda tidak perlu khawatir,
Berhati-hatilah anda yang suka berganti-ganti pasangan seks, karena sangat besar sekali kemungkinannya untuk terkena penyakit kencing nanah atau gonore maupun yang lainnya.
Bagi anda yang sedang mencari obat herbal buat kencing nanah atau gonore, kami sarankan untuk memilih obat herba dari De Nature dengan nama Gang jie dan Gho Siah sebagai pengobatan alternatif tradisional alami untuk kencing nanah atau gonore.
Berhati-hatilah anda yang suka berganti-ganti pasangan seks, karena sangat besar sekali kemungkinannya untuk terkena penyakit kencing nanah atau gonore maupun yang lainnya.
Bagi anda yang sedang mencari obat herbal buat kencing nanah atau gonore, kami sarankan untuk memilih obat herba dari De Nature dengan nama Gang jie dan Gho Siah sebagai pengobatan alternatif tradisional alami untuk kencing nanah atau gonore.
Kencing nanah atau gonore (dari gonorrhoia Latin Akhir mana gonos berarti “benih” dan rhoe berarti “mengalir”) adalah infeksi bakteri menular seksual yang cenderung menyerang selaput lendir tubuh.
Silahkan Hubungi Kami dan Konsultasikan Masalah penyakit kencing nanah yang anda derita,kontak kami 0812-2854-1999 atau Pin BB 53E87F23
Berapa Harga untuk Obat Wasir Ambeien alami daun ungu Ambeclear – Ambeien adalah gangguan atau penyakit yang terjadi pada saluran pencernaan manusia
Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kutil kelamin ini. Intinya, karena kutil ini muncul di daerah yang sensitif, maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada kulit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional. Sebab dokter akan menjadi sumber informasi yang baik untuk mengobati penyakit ini.
Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kutil kelamin ini. Intinya, karena kutil ini muncul di daerah yang sensitif, maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada kulit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional. Sebab dokter akan menjadi sumber informasi yang baik untuk mengobati penyakit ini.
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Cara yang sering di lakukan untuk menghilangkan kutil kelamin adalah dengan cara pembedahah atau operasi, cara ini tentu memerlukan dana yang tidak sedikit. metode Pilihan pembedahan yang dapat Anda lakukan
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Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kencing bernanah ini. Maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada penyakit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional.
Kadang disertai
dengan sakit saat kencing, perih, organ intim terasa panas menyiksa,
gatal,..
Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... *********************************
Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... *********************************
Sekitar Vagina Tumbuh Daging, Berbahayakah? Kutil Pada Kepala Penis mirip bunga kol atau jengger ayam, Merupakan Penyakit Yang diakibatkan Oleh Virus.Kutil kelamin, atau disebut juga condyloma acuminata, adalah kutil atau daging berwarna kulit atau keabuan yang tumbuh di sekitar alat kelamin dan
penyakit yang ditularkan melalui hubungan seks : vaginal, oral dan anal. Juga dapat menular melalui persentuhan kulit dengan daerah yang terinfeksi.
Obat Ambeien Resep Dokter Ambeclear dari De Nature Ampuh Tuntaskan Ambeien Sampai Tuntas
Obat Ambeien Resep Dokter Ambeclear dari De Nature Ampuh Tuntaskan Ambeien Sampai Tuntas
Ambeien bisa mengeluarkan darah(seperti invander salim yang terkena ambeien dan mengeluarkan darah)
Ambeien bisa mengeluarkan darah(seperti invander salim yang terkena ambeien dan mengeluarkan darah)
Sebelum kita membahas tentang pengobatan ambeien, dalam kesempatan ini
saya ingin menjelaskan sekilas tentang ambeien, agar kita semua bisa
memahami benar apa itu penyakit ambeien
Sebelum kita membahas tentang pengobatan ambeien, dalam kesempatan ini
saya ingin menjelaskan sekilas tentang ambeien, agar kita semua bisa
memahami benar apa itu penyakit ambeien
obat wasir, Adalah Obat alami berkhasiat dalam bentuk kapsul yang berasal dari tanaman herbal seperti daun ungu, mahkota dewa dan kunyit putih, diberikan pada penderita jika penyakit masih dalam tingkatan stadium ringan
Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... ************************************
Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... ************************************
manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur manjur
alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami alami
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..
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