Thursday, December 11, 2014

THE LIBRARIANS 101/102 post-game: "and the Crown of King Arthur" / "and the Sword in the Stone"

Wow, this joint is dusty.  Damn Twitter, with its instant gratification.

For those of you just joining us, this post-game was a Leverage tradition which held up pretty well until air dates and production started overlapping, thereby consuming my spare time.  I am sure there will be a fair number of Grifters standing in the corner, glaring at me.  Don't worry, kids, if I'm in here re-arranging the chairs, I'll get to the old business.

So, here's where we usually do a brief bit about how each episode came together, then in the NEXT post answer any questions you may have. If you'd like to see how that usually goes, just click that "leverage" tag over on the right hand side, and those posts will come up.  A few caveats for the new folks:

1.) I tend to swear.  Be aware.

2.) Argue to your hearts' content, but please be respectful of each other. I've never had to ban anyone, and I expect that same level of restraint with the new show.  This is my house, not yours, and I do not consider asking anyone to leave my house "censorship."  Basically, don't be a fuckwit.

3.) It doesn't have to be a question.  Your comment below does not need to be a question, it can just be a comment or a shout-out about something you want to discuss with other fans.  That would be cool.

4.) Us writers, you fan.  I love your input, your questions, your theories, even your disdain when it's amusing.  But end of day, my scrappy writers and I are the ones who have to fill 50 pages of empty paper every week which are simultaneously amusing and shootable on a brutally tight budget and schedule and makes three levels of executives happy.  Basically, know that I dig that you watch the show, we should be pals, but that particular line is not crossed.  Our choices are our choices and we earned the right to make them, even if you don't like them.

Okay, now to the show.

How did this happen?

You can find plenty of videos on YouTube of me discussing this, thanks to some podcasts and bloggers, but here's the short version.

I'd done a rewrite on the 1st and 3rd LIBRARIAN  movies, but really wasn't that involved, back in the day.  I mean I enjoyed them, but they were very much Dean Devlin, Noah Wyle and Michael Wright (the former head of TNT)'s baby.  They were like THREE MEN AND A BABY, but the baby was an adorable family-oriented action-adventure movie franchise.  For years, they attempted to navigate a weird bit of contract thorniness involved in transforming TV movies into a series.  Finally, last summer, they called me.  "We have the rights!  Now lets make a show!"

The trick, of course, was navigating Noah's schedule.  Falling Skies was still going strong, and there are a considerable number of legal whizzbangs in place preventing actors from being the lead on two shows simultaneously. So we knew we need alternate leads.  "Leads" plural.  We didn't want there to be another "Librarian".  We weren't replacing Noah; hell, he was looking at busting his ass to shoot as many episodes as he could.

Oh, and we couldn't have Bob in every episode, nor Jane.  This was getting interesting. (NOTE the 1st: This is always tough for fans.  Roles are attached to specific actors, and sometimes we just can't have them due to scheduling or contracts.  One of the reasons I like animation ...)

(NOTE the 2nd: You can always get Mark Sheppard. Not because he's easy, but because I seriously believe there's three of him.)

We certainly as hell weren't going to do a cold reboot. Those movies had FANS (as we've seen from the premiere numbers, a surprising number), so the challenge was to honor them as much as possible, make the tie-in as tight as possible, but still have a base upon which to build with new actors.

At some point, rewatching them, we said "Hey, what if we did more than reference them?  What if we actually made this in continuity?"  That solved a big problem for us -- Flynn Carsen after a decade of doing this would be pretty good at it, or dead.  So let's make the fact he's good at it a plot point.  It came at a price. Solitude and sanity, to protect the rest of us.

But if he's around, even intermittently, how do we balance the rest of the team?  He's a polymath, what do the rest of them ... do?

Nicely enough, Lester Dent solved this problem for us in the 1930's.  Lester Dent wrote Doc Savage, among a million other things, and very much built the pulp base upon which the rest of us toil.  Doc was a polymath superman, but his friends were specialists who would solve the only nearly-impossible problems in a story while he wrestled Incan cultists (yay!) or lobotomized prisoners to cure them of their "criminal tendencies" (er, boo. yikes).

So we split Flynn Carsen up into his disparate expertise ... ises. - isi? Anyway, we assigned art and history to one, sciences to another, and tech/tomb robbing to a third.  Three neophytes seemd like three identical beats, so again we went back to the movies.  Hey, who ARE all those people on the stairs in the first movie ... ?

Okay, they were geniuses, and could've been Librarians, but weren't.  What the hell did they do with their lives?  That's when the themes of the show began to emerge.  About loneliness, and choice, and how everybody has gifts, but not everybody choose -- or is allowed to -- use them.   There's a complicated bit of business about characters are lenses, and so you should build them in diametrically opposed pairs in order to best showcase your themes, but that can wait for the very boring and specialized book I'll write some day.

All of this was done on an  insanely tight schedule.  Most shows have three or four months to get up and running.  To beat Noah's deadline for returning to Falling Skies, we had five weeks from greenlight to camera roll, with nothing but the first script written.  We shot out of order, on location, so the production team could buy enough time for the paint to dry on the sets. Writers were hired four weeks out, some of the actors weren't locked until the week of shoot.  This was interesting, as it meant the writers were well into episode four writing dialogue for characters that we had no idea how they talked.

As for the actors you haven't met in the movies:

Rebecca was on a short list of potential leads.  One of the signatures of The Librarian movies is the action heroine partner.  Not kidnapped, nor rescued, nor vixenish -- she can and should always be able to kick Flynn's ass.  Rebecca had just done King & Maxwell with Leverage co-creator Chris Downey, and he couldn't be more effusive with his praise.  RR can land a joke, too; in person she's relentlessly dry and funny.  You'll see us tweak Baird's delivery style closer to her own sense of humor over the course of the season.

Kane, well we knew we wanted to go against type for the art historian.  Even the rough ideas we had were close to Kane as a person, and when he turned out to be available it wasn't a hard choice.   Kane's tragedy -- and I tell him this all the time -- is that he's a bit too good-looking to have to rely on his comic timing. Which is magnificent.  Ironically, although the character background is close to his personal background, the role itself is a chance to show off some of his other chops as an actor.

Lindy is one of those actors that everybody in Hollywood knows is good.  Kind of the "player to be named later". The role of Cassandra was a straight audition -- the character wasn't even "Cassandra" at first, because we auditioned all ethnicities and we wanted to keep the concept loose, until we found the right person.  She just frankly out-muscled the other actors.  The audition pieces were the hospital meltdown and the henge mathematics/meltdown.  Those pages ate a LOT of other actors alive, but she blew through them like a champ, and hit all the emotional beats.  So straight-up audition there.

John Kim was submitted on tape from Australia.  We screened the tape, all agreed "Much like Ezekiel's super-power is that he's charming, this kid is charming." It was also his first series shoot, and the other actors teased him mercilessly.  With love.  Usually.  And yes, that is his real accent.

John Larroquette is John goddam Larroquette. We were very lucky he was available.  He brought so much style and tone and unexpected pathos -- seriously, he constantly surprised us -- that we eventually started writing the role much bigger than we intended.  Jenkins winds up with a nice little season arc.

Some cool behind the scenes production facts, and then I'll open the floor to questions.  SPOILERS AHEAD.

The opening sequence
A rather large number of the soldiers around Baird in the opening sequence are, thanks to some friends of production,  actual SEAL team and Delta Force members, past and present.   They have ... been places. The large fellow to Baird's side at the door is Delta.  This amuses me to no end, as I imagine some terrorist watching the show in a bar in Karachi and saying "Hey, wait a minute..."

Oh, and she's carrying a Glock 17, so Baird does indeed have enough in the magazine for that shootout.  Not only did we count, Rebecca called us on it to make sure.

The missing magic artifact lost in an abandoned Nazi store-room very much establishes the tone of the show -- our show posits that there's a secret (INSANELY COOL) history of magic, and its remnants are scattered all over the place.  Very fine writer Ken Hite (@kennethhite) recently wrote a book called The Nazi Occult which is a fascinating piece of work.  It's meant to be a sourcebook for role-playing gamers and others, so it blends real Nazi occult history and practices with fiction, as if everything that could've happened, did happen.  Basically, everything in the book which seems too insane to be believed is true, and the boring stuff's the bits he filled in.  I can't recommend it highly enough.

The sequence was originally set in a church until we found that location, which was also much closer to other locations we needed.  So the bit was rewritten.  Hey, you want your precious words perfect, go write a novel.

Charlene and Jenkins
Charlene was originally in both parts of the launch, but her other show unfortunately meant we couldn't make he shooting schedule work.  She eventually came in and shot all her scenes in a single day at the END of the season.  I think that she winds up with a very nice hero moment instead.  I do miss the original script beat where she's the one who saves Flynn and you discover she was Judson's Guardian, but we'll figure some other way to bring her back ...

Meeting Ezekiel Jones
is in the theater in Portland which served as the Parliament House in San Lorenzo in Leverage. That is indeed the Dagger of Aqua'ba. (whether I mean it is the same prop or the same object ... as I used to say in the Leverage post-games all the time, you choose whichever makes you happier)

The Prosciutto Cutting Torch
Works, more or less.




Excalibur
Of course we know Excalibur wasn't the sword in the stone in Malory's version of the story. Note how I said "in Malory's version of the story" because it was, in fact, a made up thing.  In the Librarian-verse, it's the Sword in the Stone.  Which is fine, because in that case it is still a made-up thing. As a long-standing nerd, this particular style of pedantry always drives me mad.  It is not one of our better traits.

 'Cal was established in the movies as the Sword in the Stone, he's certainly the closest thing Flynn has to a recurring friend. It was Michael Wright who suggested setting these two in a more classic European treasure hunt, and that led us pretty nicely to Arthurian myth.   I knew I wanted to use ley lines as the gimmick with which to return magic to the world, and "ley line" screams "earth, rock, stone" etc.  You can see where this is all intersecting.  His sacrifice was meant more as closure on the past series than as a sacrifice, but we knew something more was going on here when crew members began to cry as I pitched the scene out for the visual effects guy, without even seeing it.

I do suppose we could have been truer to Malory's version (note I do not say "more accurate" as Malory's version was, again, a made up thing) but given the choice between taking a page of dialogue to explain that Excalibur is not the sword in the stone and instead spending that time making you cry over the the "death" of a meter of metal, I will spend my time more wisely. Did you feel something? Good, right choice.  I don't feel beholden to the a plagiarizing rapist under house arrest. Let him write his own damn show.

The Tower of London Stone Heist
is all one shot, if you go back and watch, including John Kim disappearing act as two extras cross. Razor bit of timing, there.

The Levitating Stone
is just the old wire dog-collar trick, with Noah selling the shit out of it.  How professional is he?  He spent time experimenting with different vibrational frequencies, finding the resonance of the wire so the STRING part would flutter and bounce while the Stone stayed relatively motionless, and therefore in focus for the camera even as they ran down the street. I mean, damn.

Stone's run on John Turner
If you stumble across my writing, you notice I reference Turner quite a bit. He's my favorite artist, so I can write character discussions about him without slowing down to do research.

Right, this always goes better when I'm answering your questions, so have at it.  I'll try to answer as many as possible by Sunday, and put up a question post for "and the Horns of a Dilemma" at the same time.

For 10 episodes or 100, it's great to have you along for the ride.

Try not to die.





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Anonymous said...

*SCREAMS*

So glad to see the blog revived!!

Anonymous said...

No question, just wanted to say, "YAY for post-games!"

I really enjoyed the first two episodes and am looking forward to more!

Unknown said...

Welcome back, Rogers! I've missed this blog -- long-time reader, since the Crazification Factor days, but rare-if-ever commenter -- and I'm stoked that you're going to be post-gaming on LIBRARIANS. I would have missed the new show entirely had I not recognized Kane in a frame as I fast-forwarded over a promo, but when I looked it up and found your name attached, and saw the rest of the cast, it immediately went on my watch list.

So, a couple of questions:

I haven't seen the movies, so maybe this was an established thing already, but Flynn in the pilot seemed to have a great deal of the Doctor Who nature. Was that intentional?

The show is obviously going to be compared to WAREHOUSE 13. What do you see as the important differences?

theuglybugball said...

Will Jake Stone ever get a cold beer?

theuglybugball said...

And what happened to Lamia?

Joe Helfrich said...

Are other episodes going to be streaming online? TNT's site requires that whole "sign in with your service provider" rigamarole which I can arrange to get through, *cough*, but I prefer to watch things on those service that I actually pay for.

Also, I have this scene in my head where a blonde thief shows up but is never named. "So how are you doing El-" *Kane Glares* "..captain my captain?"

James Geluso said...

I tuned in because I love Leverage. Twenty minutes in my wife said it seemed it was going more Buffy than Leverage. At the end she said it seemed to be going more Xena.

Ara said...

Enjoyed the shit out of the premiere, and I hope The Librarians has a good run ahead. Sorry that my question isn't directly related to The Librarians, but I was wondering if the Leverage 10 podcast is still available anywhere online? I heard about it too late, and itunes doesn't seem to have it anymore.

gwangung said...

Dammit....missed you.

But glad you're back with the post games....

Marian xie said...

To be honest, I was too busy *fangirling* over the show to notice or care for anything that seemed a bit off. Except for the picnic blow torch bit. That one left me wondering and hungry haha. The floating stone was very much like the invisible dog bit for me and i loved it very much. I had huge a huge crush on him and i am definitely glad that the librarian is still the goof i remember him to be. Oh what i would give to be on that set watching and working with all that awesome! The cast is great! I truly hope the show exceeds all expectations and keeps coming back for more seasons.
Love
Marian Xieyuting

Ps cassandra was amazeballs!

mickey johnson said...

Excellent effects and looks to be the start of a great show. I enjoyed it as much as the movies.

Anonymous said...

Are there really skeletons in a secret dungeon in Buckingham Palace? (Maybe DB Cooper is there?)

Realjennyh said...

Loved the great overall fun and peppered bits of history sprinkled throughout. "Arthur was a Roman!"

And I'd really like, please, more on the craft of building "diametrically opposed pairs in order to best showcase your themes." Even if it is a quick screenwriting-tagged post to mine later for that fascinating future book I'd buy.

The villain clearly defined the LITs as "one doomed by her gift, one who fled his gift, one who abuses it." Then add on a guardian and a sage.

I'm curious on the creation process that melded these personalities, flaws and opposed pairs into these specific lenses.

Thanks for your time!

Anonymous said...

The first season has already been filmed. Will feedback from critics and viewers influence any of the upcoming episodes in terms of editing choices? Or is everything already "set in stone"? (Sorry, couldn't resist that.)

Tom Galloway said...

Let's get the obvious one out of the way; Any chance of a formal or informal appearance by Leverage folk?

(By informal, I mean like those first DC/Marvel "crossovers", where characters named Jack B. Quick, Silver Sorceress, and Blue Jay would show up in JLA the same month that Hyperion, Nighthawk, Whizzer, and Dr. Spectrum were showing up in Avengers)

Interesting bit; assuming Eve is meant to be team lead, it'd appear she's significantly less smart in the general IQ sense than the rest of the team. I'm not saying she's not competent; it's obvious we're getting another does of competence porn, but Jake and Cassandra are specifically called out as super-geniuses, and Ezekial's background and set-up would appear to put him up there as well. While she seems to be positioned as common sense (as is Jake).

Thing is, that makes the set up for Eureka spring to mind, and sorry to say I really disliked the set up of a town of super-geniuses very frequently needing the token non-genius "regular guy" to solve the problems. It'll be a fine balancing act to have her utilize leadership skills and her explicit field experience while still having the others outshine her intellectually.

Kes said...

SO glad to see the blog back and post-games! Whee!

My favorite bit—especially knowing how professional about his fighting Christian Kane is—is the "not bad for an amateur" line in the midst of the bar fight.

Did he freak you and Dean out doing his own stunts again any time this season?

Anonymous said...

In which circle of hell would you place the fans who complain about Christian Kane's hair?

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the_eye said...

Well hello back!

One question I have is of a rather technical/legal general movie/show making kind, but triggered by episode one here:

I noticed in the scene in the "Black Forest" that the Land Rover had German-looking number-plates. Fine so far. Then I noticed that it was a plate that (currently) can't exist since the prefix you used doesn't reference any actual location.

Is there a legal reason for this? Triggered by this I was reminded of one of the last Bonds (Quantum of Solace, I think) where there's a scene in Austria and there also, we get Austrian number plates but impossible ones.

Kenneth Hite said...

Hey, thanks for the shout-out!

vickysg1 said...

So glad to see the post-game posts are back! Yay!

One question: with Unforgettable cancelled, will Jane Curtin be in more episodes next season? (There's no doubt for me there'll be a second season, of course.)

Oh and if "you can always get Mark Sheppard", I do hope we'll see him in the show, soon-ish. :D

BTW, totally recognized the Dagger. It was great to have a little of Leverage in The Librarians.

Neil W said...

Just thought I'd say how pleased I am that SyfyUK picked up the show and air it the Monday after the states. Especially as you say the whole production to screen went so quickly. Much less frustrating than Leverage which was months and months behind here in blighty.

(Also I appreciate that SyfyUK doesn't care that adding UK to the end of a word that ends in s makes it sound like it sucks, and just puts up the hashtag #TheLibrariansUK).

So actual question: Is there anything else you might have done differently if it hadn't been made in such a rush?

kristi McCurdy said...

I just wanted to say how much I love the Librarian movies and how happy I was when I watched the show. I cannot wait for the next episode.

Cyphersushi said...

Great to see you back and great start of the new show! I hope that when Mark Sheppard shows up he's on the team's side (was gonna write good guy but that's always a matter of point of view) just for a refreshing change :)

Looking forward to seeing these post-game posts, it was a favorite thing with Leverage!

Isaac said...

Ever since I saw the promos for this a couple months ago, I've been eager to see how the pilot turned out, and I was not disappointed. Rebecca is an awesome leading lady, Kane is always fantastic, and John Larroquette is, I suspect, going to be remembered as one of the best actors of his generation. The rest of the cast is also definitely interesting, and I'm looking forward to seeing where it all goes.

One side note -- I've actually held off on watching the last episode of LEVERAGE, out of some strange "I don't want to see them go" sentiment, but now that this new show is starting, I think I'll be able to tie off that loose end now.

And for some reason, I really want to see the Librarians meet up with people who seem suspiciously similar to Elijah Snow and the PLANETARY crew, but I suspect that's not possible.

Rhea Lee said...

Oh my god, I'm so happy you're doing post-games again! This made my day today.

I have the exact same question as Unknown before me, I'll just quote him: "I haven't seen the movies, so maybe this was an established thing already, but Flynn in the pilot seemed to have a great deal of the Doctor Who nature. Was that intentional?"

This blog is by the way the reason why I trust the plot when I see your name in the credits, because I know how much research you and the rest of the team put into it. It's a great feeling to be able to watch TV and relax and feel like you're in good hands.

Neil Jasper said...

Hooray for the return of the post-game!

Perhaps its the role-player in me that put this thought in my head, but a question occurred to me when I saw the magical box that Flynn opened in the opening sequence, and again later when Cassandra disarmed the mesh over the stone.

Who makes those traps and security measures? Are they still around, and do they get ticked off with people like the Librarian and the Serpent Brotherhood getting past their inventions?

Kendall Jung said...

When I heard that The Librarians was coming back as a series, I was cheering and happy. When I learned it was a Rogers/Devlin headed dream-team mashup, it touched me in a place only accessible to Leverage and several court-ordered-trial lawyers on a doll.

So I am very glad to have you guys back in my TV-viewing life, and the first two episodes were solid starts. I think my only real niggle was I felt that some of the physical fights seemed... hokey? Like they were just placeholders until something better could be filmed. When you look at Kane's fights in Leverage, they were fast, brutal, and looked like beatings. In the pilot for this, they seemed almost cartoonish, and you expected to hear a "Doi-oi-oing!" when Rebecca hit someone. So I really hope that was more due to the filming crunch / time crunch of getting these in the can and we'll see better.

Nonetheless - I can't wait for more!

PS: When will these be for sale up on iTunes Store?

jill said...

So happy to have you back!

My husband and I are both law librarians, so the randomly scattered Federal Reporters cracked us up - weeded legal materials make for cheap and authoritative-looking set dressing, I guess!

Stefan Jones said...

I'll write what I always write when folks like you and Warren Ellis let people a look at the process: Thanks! All the creative stuff I do is one-man stuff, and it is very interesting to see how big collaborative efforts come together.

The pilot episodes set things up very nicely.

It will be fun playing "spot the Portland location" again. I've taken friends to see the St. John's Bridge on the strength of an episode of Grimm, and now I suspect I'll be taking them down to see the entrance to the library.

(Wouldn't it be cool if someone set up a Little Free Library down there?)

LarryFleming said...

Really glad to see your handy work again. (I know you have done other things since Leverage, but you know what I mean) Congrats on the viewing stats, we can feel confident that this fun new show will be around for a while. (Just don't go for a Peoples Choice Award) We are really glad to see Kane back in action and yeah we know this is NOT Eliot. Eve can teach Jake some ninja moves. Really happy with the other cast members too, I can't wait to see them gel over the upcoming episodes like you did on Leverage. Finally, thank you for starting this back up. I was talking to Kane on set a couple days ago and we talked about wanting to see you blog again.

Kevin said...

I, too, wonder what happened to Lamia.

I was delighted by the identity of her boss. If Du Lac is still around after all these years (and what a wonderfully sinister performance Frewer gave), it makes me wonder about the others in the Arthurian mythos.

One other thought. Peggy and I were watching old Nero Wolfes last month and really enjoyed Lindy Booth's performance. "Think she has a twitter feed?" I wondered. So I checked -- and the first thing I saw was a shot of Librarians writer Jeremy Bernstein on set. That's how I found out she was on the show, like I wasn't already excited.

Theliel said...

Oh man. This was like an early xmass present. Of the 'new car' variety - post-games, a show I enjoy...yay.

Questions -

When coordinating stunts how does the stunt team/directors figure out how 'long' to show a technique?

The fight in the stairwell impressed me because there was a shoulderlock that was shown almost to completion.

I was going to ask about how the decision was made for the romance but the theme of lonelyness explains it all.

Final question - supporting y'all (financially) - I greatly enjoy the extended episodes but I find I only really have time to watch once - How do I increase the chances for another season while still only purchasing the show from iTunes? I have a Tivo DVR with direct Cable Cards.

Does this involve taping the show then 'watching' it with the TV off w/in 72 hours to get the view or do iTunes pre-season purchases count?

Kerri said...

I was super excited when I first heard who was bringing this to series and even more excited when the cast was announced. I was not disappointed. It all lived up to the movies while moving things forward in a good way.

I'm very eager to see how things develop (and Bruce Campbell as Santa?!?!). This should be a fun ride.

Stacey said...

The little leather ties at the back of King Arthur's crown which only appeared when Lamia was wearing it--olde magick or movie magic?!

C K Johnson said...

I find Jon Rogers a very interesting and complex person. Do I know him personally? No. Just from interviews and blogs such as this. He's interesting and brilliant. Leverage is amazing and the Librarians lives up to my expectations. Thank you, Jon, Dean, Noah and all involved with this series. My favorite young man is Christian Kane and I think John Kim is adorable. I would count both of them as a son and I am the proud mom.

ellabell said...

I am ecstatic that you're doing these post-games. ECSTATIC. I'm also super excited that I'm able to watch The Librarians legally on Space at approximately the same time as the US audiences, which is something that was never available to me as a Leverage fan. (Not so happy that it aired at the same time as Lost Girl on Showcase, though!) However, as ecstatic as I am about these post-games, I'm going to ask the follow-up question: any chance of a podcast in the style of Leverage10? Those were WONDERFUL. (not that I don't love this too -- I just want EVERYTHING.)

Other questions and comments:
1) In the beginning it appeared that the series was about to take place in New York, and based on your previous comments I know you don't like that / didn't want to do it. At what point was the location decided / how was the plot point of moving the library / home base outside of that area approached? And, was it just a no-brainer to move it to Oregon based on your previous experiences?
2) I loved the in-references to Leverage ("adorable", the Dagger of Aqua'ba), and my friends that were familiar with the previous movies were also very pleased with all the nods to continuity. How did you / the writers approach the balance between creating something new that was accessible to new viewers that also appealed to your previous fans?
3) I would LOVE more elaboration on the "diametrically opposed pairs in order to best showcase your themes" part, but if you want to wait for the (now promised, and we will hold you to that) book, I'll be the first in line! :)
4a) The only bit of mixed reaction that I've come across with respect to the pilot has been the romance / kiss at the end. Can you maybe discuss the reasoning / thought process behind it? I'm especially interested in the contrast with Leverage as the romance was underplayed for so long, yet this showed up in the first (...second?) episode. (I'm approaching the line of your fourth caveat, but I'm just really curious, especially if it has callbacks to the movies.)
4b) Any chance of some non-heteronormative characters? (*insert reference to your own joke about Det. Grayson and having real lesbians on TNT)
5) Can you give us a quick rundown of your writers' room? Scrappy assistant? With such a quick turnaround from the greenlight to the production, how was the hiring process different from normal? How did you balance hiring staff you knew / had worked with before with getting in new blood? Because it wasn't part of the usual staffing season, did it limit accessibility or help it? (imdb shows that the only new name is Rorick -- and I think it's really cool that you hired someone from alt-media / Pemberly. Did her resume cross your desk? Or did you seek her out because you're a fan of alt-media?) Was it the same with picking directors?
6) How much input does the network have? Is this still a little more arm's length like Leverage was? Is it easier to work the execs on this show because you already have a relationship with them? Or has there been enough changeover that you're starting fresh?
7) Are you approaching the structure of this series / the characters like another true five-hander?
8) Are you going to publish your characters sheets for us? :)

... and this got out of hand. *shakes head* I just want to know ALL OF THE THINGS. (What? An engineer wanting to know how something works? A project manager that's intersted in process and logistics? Really? *sigh.)

Thank you for taking the time to do this!

Kevin said...

(glaring)...Oh Yes!!!! Looking forward to both series post-games. :)

Theliel said...

@ellabell As I said in my post if you take the theme of 'lonelyness' and the idea of continuing cannon the whole romance angle makes sense.

In every movie so far Flynn has fallen in love with/dated/etc. the female lead - it's just a Thing in the Librarian's universe if not a staple trope of Adventure films of Yore (including Indiana Jones). It sort of presents its self at that point - they fall in love and would be perfect but now cannot be (temporarily). It re-enforces the theme of lonelyness for Flynn and those like him who are 'all in' living for the job and sets up an emotional beat which can be called back to and gives the writers the option later to explore not only the relationship but also, y'know, maybe go into how the old ones failed and explore if it will fail this time - if they want. Otherwise it's a pretty good payoff for classic Librarian fans.

Dacsmom said...

So glad you are doing the blog again. I am definitely a Librarian movie fan. I am usually disappointed when series are made from movies, it usually doesn't "feel" right. I have to say, you all were brilliant. You stayed true to the movies, but didn't waste time explaining the back-stories. The crossover was smooth, and it all made sense. Fans of the movies were satisfied, and new fans were not left wondering what was happening. I was one of those people crying over the death of Cal, such a sad moment. I cannot wait to see more episodes.

Kelly Kluckman said...

It's great to see this blog active! I got into Leverage too late but for once I'm right on time!

Watching the pilot, especially the extended cut, was a blast!

So. My questions.

1) I love that Jones has a strategy for traveling back in time. Does he have a plan for other unlikely situations? Everyone has a zombie plan but how about traveling to the future, an alien invasion, a deep one uprising or an outbreak of super flu?

1.1) Also, could he build a steam engine on his own or was he counting on help from the others?

He's on top of things and that's awesome. I like that he's looking up ways into the palace just because they're heading in that general direction.

2) Did Stone say it was "old" iron or "cold" iron?
2.1) How bad would it be if the fae got a hold of the crown? Or could you command magical critters with the crown?

Thanks for doing this again and congrats on the second season!

seraS said...

I've been so excited for this show and it certainly did not disappoint. I loved just about everything about it and I can't wait to see the next adventure.

I actually do have a question - which I never did before, I just always lurked like the master lurker that I am.

Imdb.com tells me we're going to see Lamia again. \o/ That's great news because I found her fascinating. I wanted to ask about the poem on her arm, The Second Coming. I've never really seen it translated into Latin before. Was that just to showcase Jake's skill set and maybe to add some mystery to Lamia's character, or was there another reason?

Actually, now that I think of it... I do have another question. Is Jenkins going to take over Charlene's job of asking for the LITs' receipts? I mean, someone's gotta keep the books, right? :p And it just wouldn't be the same without someone nagging about this.

Anyway, thank you for giving us a little more insight into the process, the characters and everything else going on behind the scenes and on the screen. I'm sure I and everyone else here appreciates it a lot.

Anonymous said...

Congrats on the show and the huge opening success.

Doing these posts and postgames has to be a real time suck....so thank you. I read every single one of the Leverage posts and all comments and will be enjoying all of the Librarian postgames too.

ellabell said...

@Theliel

I understand what you're saying about the theme of loneliness, and I think it's an important and interesting thing to tackle, but is the only way to combat loneliness to have a romantic partner? Can platonic and familial bonds not also satisfy at least some of the same emotional needs?

So, if there has always been romance between the Librarian and the Guardian (and sorry if I'm mixing up the female lead with Guardian – I DO need to watch the movies and WILL, if only to add to the narrative experience), and we want to look at the declared theme of "choice"; does she have one? If there has always been romance, then does she not have agency in her own romantic endeavours? On the flip side, if the Library chose her because of her romantic compatibility with Flynn or that she would inevitably choose him, what does that say about her capability in her job? Was she only chosen because she would make a good mate? Does her ability as a bodyguard / agent matter less than her romantic compatibility? If Flynn falls for each female that he works with, does he even like her for who she is? Or just her proximity?

From a character standpoint, there's this really kickass female counter-terrorism agent that's really good at her job and now working as a sort of bodyguard. Does it make sense that she would kiss her new charge after just a few days? Personally, as a professional that works in a traditionally male dominated field, that moment didn't quite jive for me; yet, I'm sure that there were other reasons behind it. I'm also sure that a lot of other viewers loved it, even though I didn't.

As for it being a staple trope – while I DO love pretty much love all of the finely honed narrative tools that Rogers & Co typically use, there are also ways of subverting the tropes in new and interesting ways. What if they had kissed and then been like, "yeah, maybe not." Then you have the humour beat too. What if she had been playing him to get something she wanted further down the line? What would that have looked like?

At any rate, I'm sure there are a lot of reasons and answers, and hence the question. (In one of the Leverage podcasts it was discussed how the romances were never the center of any episodes, even in the romantically geared plots, and that in a lot of cases the found-family relationships were just as -- if not more -- important. I'm finding it interesting to apply previous philosophies to the current project.)

And once again, I got really long winded... but I could probably go on about strong female characters forever. :)

Theliel said...

@ellabell Longwinded is fine and sure I could have done without that random bit of 'profess true love!' - I was more just braindumping why it made sense to me.

A further thought was that it was a sort of...tribal signifier, if that makes sense. A shout out to longtime fans who'd seen the movies & a thing to let you know it was going to be That Kind of Show.

As for the loneliness - Romance may not be the only method of alleviating it but the intentional shots of the empty apartment, no food in the fridge, the conversations about living for the job and the "so many things in common" sort of set it up for me.

As I said - I understand now why it happened, it doesn't mean I didn't audibly groan when I saw it happen.

Then again....compressed writing schedule + editing on a short time schedule can make something that was otherwise a great idea feel fairly off.

ellabell said...

@theliel
Gawd I love the internet. Think I could have a conversation like this in real life? And like I said, I get it, I just want to know the methodology and process. About everything. Always. :)

Jen said...

I love the original movies, and I was so excited to see The Librarians as a series (even more so when I saw Christian Kane was in it; I watched Leverage religiously). One boring question that struck me: was it originally meant to be aired as a tv movie? Many of the commercial breaks seemed to interrupt the action and there didn't seem to be a fade out or in. So amazing, though; I know it'll be a must-watch. And I missed post games.

Unknown said...

I'm so happy to see this again, and to have your writing back on my screen :D

I recognized the dagger right away, thanks for that "nod" to Leverage.

But I wanted to know, when you were thinking about the ley lines and the henge in Germany, did "Stonehenge Apocalypse" come to mind (if you've seen it, if you haven't you should, it's "great") - cause that reminded me of the movie when I saw it.

I believe there's AT LEAST three of Mark Sheppard, possibly more - why would it be possible for him to be in so many shows otherwise :D

Finally, thanks for your help this summer in locating High Point Tower for me.

Looking forward to this season of The Librarians

Dora, from Iceland

Laura Killian said...

I hope the Theo Gray video will silence skeptics. If not, tell doubters just to ask their nearest welder about the feasibility of the device, 'cause it'd pretty much work. Since watching the show on iTunes Monday night, my son the welder has held forth... at length... on multiple occasions... about possible optimizations for the prosciutto cutting torch. A high carbon content in the meat is apparently critical to the success of the torch, so prosciutto is probably better than bacon. Unless it's this one particular kind of lean, smoked bacon his favorite lunch place flies in from Montana every week. He says buffalo jerky and smoked coho salmon might also be worth testing. When the weather improves, he & his deranged welder buddies will probably do some trials to be sure. (True fact: Welders are just not normal.) As we live near Portland, you may hear about the tragic aftermath when their experiments go awry.

Alyssa said...

I'm interested in the research side of this show; where do you start? How does the story idea come and, especially if it's historical, where do you start with the research? There's a lot to go through out there, so how do you know what you need and what you don't?

Heidi said...

I am watching it again right now. I love Charlene's character. And Rebecca's character is great standing up to Flynn like that. I am a huge fan of Christian Kane and I originally was watching for him but love the whole show.





antisocialbutterflie said...

Yay! I'm so happy to see you (in word form). I'll admit that I had no idea you were attached to this project. I just watched for Kane. Well, that and because intellectual fare juxtaposed with campy fun is my jam. I didn't watch the first episodes with the post-game in mind. I'll have to be more eagle-eyed for the subsequent viewings.

I do have one question, if there are three Mark Sheppards, then do two of them not have series regular contracts with Supernatural or does that status cover all three?

Thanks again for doing this. I couldn't have had a more delightful Friday evening surprise.

NG said...

I've been through Rogers withdrawal since Leverage ended. So glad you're doing these post-games again!

KA chua said...

Hi! Wonderful work! My parents and I have been fans of The Library since the first movie came out. Will we ever find out what's behind the first door that Flynn approached, when they were making their escape? Also, I have a sneaking suspicion that Lamia's name was chosen with a purpose.

George Michael Anderson said...

A few things:

1. Now I know what you've been doing since Arcanum (the comic) hasn't updated in a while. When (if ever) can we expect more entries in that wonderful series.

2. Welcome back, you fancy bastard. We've missed you.

3. You had me at Lester Dent and Doc Savage. I wonder though; can a modern film or tv show feature The Man of Bronze and his Fabulous Five be done, and if so, would it be better to set it in the time he existed or in the now?

4. Speaking of pulp and RPGs, there's a wonderful short story written by Warren Ellis as the introduction to the gamebook Adventure by White Wolf Publishing. If you can find it, it's a cracking good read and clearly Mr. Ellis did his homework.

5. There's no number five.

KansasPhoto said...

I am very happy to see Christian Kane back on a series again! I agree, he's perfectly comedic as well as handsome.
I also agree with Stone though, I miss the hat. lol
Thanks for all the work all you guys do to make the characters and background "real" and interesting.
I can't wait for more!
Kaniac,
Amanda

Kim K. said...

Welcome back! Glad to see these post game posts again. Wondering if you could tell me a little bit about what you look for when hiring writers for a show like this.

david golbitz said...

A hearty "welcome back" to my favorite Kung Fu Monkey. Enjoyed the hell out of these posts during Leverage and I'm glad they're back for The Librarians.

kathy said...

You're back! And I've been sitting on my hands going "homina, homina" for months waiting to see what you've cooked up. And you exceeded expectations gloriously. Thank you!

Is there a reason that TNT pulled the Librarian movies off the TNT VoD offerings once the series aired? It makes no sense to me not to offer these so newcomers can get "caught up." Plus, it was a great way to see *all* the ad spots for the series. :)

I loved the idea of "branch Libraries"--are we going to see more of them in other locations?

And what is Jenkins's job title?

SueN. said...

The post-games are back! The post-games are back! *throws confetti, dances*

I will try to refrain from nagging about the Leverage post-games that are still hanging fire. ;)

I really don't have any questions. I just wanted to say that you had me at King Arthur. Seriously, throw some Arthurian lore my way, and I am a happy geek.

Also, damn you for making me cry over a sword, you magnificent bastard.

Peaches said...

Hi John it’s me, one of those Grifters over here in the corner glaring a little less now that you’ve come back to do the post-game for The Librarians. I’m actually a bit surprised (pleasantly) because it seemed to get overwhelming at times. Anyway, thank you for bringing it back and for even hinting that you might finish up old, but still very much loved business. Now on to new business!

If I remember correctly, in one of the original Librarian movies, Flynn accused Judson of being over 2000 years old. Now in the premiere, we see Charlene rushing in with a sword and tattered clothes after presumably going a few rounds with the Serpent Brotherhood. When The Library starts to fold up, Lamia tells Cassandra “the first Librarian has cut the anchor chain”. So was Judson the first Librarian with Charlene as his Guardian? Is he really that old and is Charlene of similar age?

You’ve already confirmed that the dagger Ezekiel was trying to steal, was indeed the one from Leverage. Is Eliot’s Christmas Hanzo sword now in the hands of Lamia? (I know, prop vs. object)

I’ll wrap this up with an observation. Just the second episode in and you’ve already gotten Kane in a suit…NICE!!

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your intelligent commentary. And thank you for the entertaining Librarians. Lastly, thank you for bringing Christian Kane back to a wonderful series.

lisa king said...

First off loved the show and all that was involved. Kudos to pull off the quality you did in the time that you had. Is Kane still driving you to yell about stunts? He said he broke his thumb fighting a minotaur.

Lee Kokle said...

Trust in Mark Sheppard they said...it will be fun, thei said... A really cool blog that floated to my attention because of the one and only Mark Sheppard. Thanks, Mark and Thanks for the blog itself. See you around!

Mary said...

I enjoyed the premiere. I also read the Yeats poem this week, and I googled the number of Stations of the Cross in the bible. So, learning something here!

It was refreshing to hear Jake Stone mention going to church. And to not have it treated as a character flaw. Of course, it's intriguing to consider a world where Christianity and magic co-exist, and perhaps that will be explored in a future episode. Or not. And I definitely hate plot spoilers!

Thank you for the post-game blog!

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fabsatan said...

we only get one day of delay in Brazil this is magic (i'm used to one, two weeks of delay being considered good)
also, about the sword, I heard that in the early 13th century Excalibur was considered the sword in the stone and that the story with the lady of the lake only appeared in the late 13th century/early 14th century (i don't know how accurate that information is though).
ps: killing cal was evil

jamoche said...

"(NOTE the 2nd: You can always get Mark Sheppard. Not because he's easy, but because I seriously believe there's three of him.)"

Given that this is a world where magic exists - you could have so much fun with multiple Mark Sheppard characters...

Rob Pugh said...

He's back! And I have re-subscribed! Librarians. Was. Awesome. Looking forward to more. And thanks!

just another script monkey said...

Congrats on Librarians; love it. And thanks for firing KFM back up; missed it.

Boholano si Lyn said...

@Mary I was also interested in the idea of Christianity and magic coexisting. With the Arthurian themes of the show, it really reminded me of Gerald Morris's amazing Arthurian series.

For me though, the part I like best is the way the show is very distinctly drawing on the characters non-genius skills as well as their genius skills. One reason is because it helps keep Baird very much in the playing field; IQ score is a little less relevant than applicability. With Jenkins around as well, it seems like we're going to get some conflict on the subject too. Ivory Tower = bullshit. It's not what you know, it's how you use it.
It also calls back to the thing I really loved about Leverage's The Underground Job, and I hope we're going to see more of that. "Who does this job? The people who make your lights go on."

My question relates to the character names. How do you come up with them? Do the names come first or the characteristics? Is it just a matter of picking them out of a hat or just finding something that clicks? I know on Leverage "Parker" was a reference. Any floating around The Librarians? Like Cassandra- she was telling people something and no one believed her- reference to the mythical Cassandra?

msd said...

WOW my eyes are sore from all that glaring and my allergies are crazy from the dust but it is damn good to have you back, jonrog! This is jumping ahead but will there be a drinking/drunken commentary for the DVD. That used to be one of my favorite things from the Leverage DVDs.

Trilby said...

So did someone actually write "pipshy-posh, pipshy-posh" (as per closed captions), or did Noah improvise that?

And if Charlene was Judson's Guardian, I guess that means they had a thing going on too. Something about that just pleases me no end.

Art Connery said...

So, how many times did Christian get hurt, heal the next day and you swear your usual saying?
Was Lamia her own Busey?

Richard Jensen said...

Welcome back, sir. One comment and one question.

The Comment: Watching Noah Wyle, I'm thinking to myself "Dear lord, Rogers is finally getting to write his version of The Doctor".

The question. While I'm not expecting a crossover due to rights issues and different medias, I am curious about how much overlap there is in your head between "Librarians" and "Arcanum"?

Hershele Ostropoler said...

I'll be honest: I watched on the strength of Leverage and the fact that I went to high school with Noah Wyle's stepfather's cousin (or some kind of mishpoche)

And I'm glad I did

Doctor Science said...

So glad to see you at work & play again, John! Just FYI, I'm watching via Amazon, so I can see the episodes the next day. I just finished watching 1&2, and here are a few comments:

1. I *adore* the casting. Just, across the board.

2. I see you're going for the formula "het pair + OT3" again. Excellent choice. I can't wait to see how the characters develop, what their backstories are, etc.

3. I got scientific whiplash from going from the Flaming Bacon Torch (which actually works!), to "we solve problems with ... electromagnetism!!" and the magnet attracts the *crown* but not the steel *swords*. I had been wondering why the crown wasn't visibly gold ... are we to assume it's an Iron Crown like that of Lombardy?

4. I hope people working on the set can take time, at some point, to make the library books look more like a library -- the random law books are very distracting.

5. I don't know what kind of choices caused it, but in episode 2 there were *lots* of lines that were very difficult to hear. Matt Frewer was frankly whispering a number of times (and he wasn't the only one), and since the music is fairly loud it was hard to adjust the volume to catch what people were saying.

I find this to be a frequent problem these days, for both TV and movies. I suspect part of the problem is that people in The Industry watch stuff using extremely good audio equipment, so you-all don't realize how quickly your sound degrades for most of us.

Here's hoping you get the ratings -- and the renewal -- you deserve!

Peaches said...

So if the potential Librarians got their invitations to interview for the position 10 years ago, how old were Cassandra and Ezekiel? Lindy Booth is playing younger, but John Kim seems to actually be that young.

Allynn said...

Really enjoying this series so far but I've got one pet peeve (quite literally)....

Carsen and Cassandra can accurately spot a case of psittacosis from a distance but they mistakenly identify an Amazonian Macaw as an "African Parrot"?!?! My African Grey, Basil and I were quite put out! Next time you need a bird with beau'iful plummage use a Norwegian Blue! :-)


Susannia said...

Oh, you're back, you're back! *doing happy-happy-happy-dance*

Loved the show, loved the writing, seriously loved me some Christian Kane in a cowboy hat with smarts to boot(s, pun completely intended ;-) ).

John Johnson said...

I absolutely love the movies and I'm thoroughly enjoying the tv series. I love the combination of "secret history" and magic and riddles & puzzle solving that the show has.

However, I do have to say that I had to do a double-take in "The Crown of King Arthur" episode.

Whatever else this painting might be:

http://i.imgur.com/NgTrY54.jpg

It's not a depiction of any person wearing anything even vaguely Roman.

The other thing that stuck out to me was Flynn's claim that there were no henges in Germany/Europe. Henges are just a form of enclosed causeway (though ironically Stonehenge isn't actually a henge, due to the placement of it's ditch) and enclosed causeways are found all through Europe.

Loved, loved, loved the episodes though, despite my nitpicks of those scenes.

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Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Tina Mulya said...

Pembesaran pembuluh darah dapat berbentuk tonjolan yang keluar dari
anus. Biasanya jika sudah mulai ada tonjolan artinya wasir sudah
memasuki tahap selanjutnya. Apabila tonjolan masih dapat dimasukan
secara spontan ke dalam anus, maka artinya wasir belum terlalu parah
namun sudah harus mendapatkan penanganan

Untung Ada OS said...

Nmn satu hal yang jg harus di sdri dari pngbtn penyakit ini adalah pd umumnya pymbhn hanya  menghilangkan kutilnya saja, sedangkan vrs yang mnjdi penyebab  tentu . Karena itu juga  akhirnya penyakit ini sering berulang atau kambuh kembali

Untung Ada OS said...

Kutil pada kemaluan atau alat vital ditularkan terutama melalui hubungan seksual. Dalam kasus yang jarang, penularan dapat terjadi secara tidak langsung setelah menggunakan handuk yang terkontaminasi. Bayi juga dapat terinfeksi selama proses kelahiran. http://caramengobatikutildikelamin.blog.com/


Untung Ada OS said...

Kutil pada kemaluan atau alat vital ditularkan terutama melalui hubungan seksual. Dalam kasus yang jarang, penularan dapat terjadi secara tidak langsung setelah menggunakan handuk yang terkontaminasi. Bayi juga dapat terinfeksi selama proses kelahiran. http://caramengobatikutildikelamin.blog.com/


Tina Mulya said...

Penyakit ini umumnya muncul karena penderita mengejan terlalu keras pada saat buang air besar. Dengan mengejan terlalu keras, maka pembuluh darah di sekitar anus dapat melebar dan pecah menimbulkan infeksi dan pembengkakan yang berakhir pada masalah wasir atau ambeien tersebut.

Klinik De Nature said...

Bila anda sedang mencari Pengobatan alami untuk mengobati kutil Kelamin dengan menggunakan obat kutil Kelamin Alami Alami Tanpa Operasi kutil yang ada di alat kemaluan rontok Solusi yang tepat untuk mengobati penyakit wasir tanpa harus operasi, menggunakan obat wasir  Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatwasirme.blogspot.com untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan wasir silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" Adalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.

Klinik De Nature said...

Bagaimana Cara mengobati kutil di kemaluan Tanpa Operasi dengan menggunakan obat kutil kelamin tradisional aman bagi wanita serta ibu yang sedang hamil untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" Adalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.

Untung Ada OS said...

Mengetahui ciri-khas dari kutil kelamin ini: Ada papula kemerahan dan bintik-bintik kecil,secara bertahap akan  menjadi semakin besar dan banyak, biasanya tidak terasa apa-apa,permukaannya tidak rata, lembab dan lembut,papiler,mikosis atau seperti kembang kol serta berkelompok konfluen,merah atau merah muda. Seringkali akar pedikel,rentan terhadap erosi,eksudat(campur cairan),

teguh wibowo said...

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cara mengobati ambeien dari luar
cara mudah mengobati wasir luar
cara menghilangkan ambeien luar tanpa operasi

denature klinik said...

Penderita Penyakit kondiloma atau Kutil Kelamin yang telah terinveksi disarankan untuk segera melakukan pengobatan secepat mungkin sebelum Virus HPV penyebab kutil kelamin makin banyak berkembang biak di dalam sel darah makin lama dibiarkan akan memperparah kondisi organ vital karena kutil kelamin akan terus membesar sehingga terlihat seperti jengger ayam untuk penderita yang baru tertular kurang dari satu bulan biasanya akan lebih cepat ditanggulangi obat kutil kelamin Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatkutildikemaluan.blogdetik.com/ untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil pada kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" AlamiAdalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.

mistersipilis said...

obat kutil kelamin
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obat kencing nanah
obat dokter untuk penyakit kencing nanah
obat resep dokter untuk penyakit kencing nanah

Okk Maen said...

salah satu cara yang efektif untuk menghilangkan kutil yang tumbuh di vagina adalah dengan obat herbal denture indonesia.Obat yang mamapu menghilangkan kutil sampai akar akarnya.Obat herbal denature penghilang kutil kelamin aman untuk organ kewanitaan karna obat herbal denature terbuat dari bahan herbal pilihan.

ok said...

Mari kita lihat penyebab Gonore . Virus yang menyebabkan Gonore dikenal sebagai bakteri Neisseria gonorrhoeae . Ini adalah salah satu penyebab Gonore menonjol. Gonore diketahui menyebar dari satu orang ke orang lain melalui hubungan seksual anal , oral, atau vaginal Namun untuk anda yang menderita penyakit kencing nanah maka anda tidak perlu khawatir,

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Okk Maen said...

Kutil pada alat kelamin luar bisa diangkat melalui laser, krioterapi (pembekuan) atau pembedahan dengan bius lokal. Pengobatan kimiawi, seperti podofilum resin atau racun yang dimurnikan atau asam trikloroasetat, bisa dioleskan langsung pada kutil. Tetapi pengobatan ini memerlukan waktu beberapa minggu sampai beberapa bulan, bisa melukai kulit di sekelilingnya dan sering gatal.

Untung Ada OS said...

Kutil dalam istilah medis disebut Papilloma. Papilloma itu sebenarnya
sejenis tumor jinak pada kulit, berasal dari penebalan lapisan luar
kulit yang berlebihan. Bentuk kutil ini bisa bermacam-macam.

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