I love this show, but there one thing I really like about Leverage is the "movement of time" indications, though subtle as they may be.
Example: 1. Hardison - often says "It took me weeks to research the information". 2. Eliot - Once said "I've been following him for a month? now". 3. Nate - said "it took us months to setup this job".
I really hate shows that don't portray the passing of time, that gives the impression that everything takes place in one day, it just strains the credulity. Like "here's the DNA swab test it", after commercial break "here's the lab results of the DNA", at least say it'll be ready in two/three days (really 4-6 weeks).
Another thing I like is Eliot getting hit back and stomped on, lets keep it slightly credible. If you travel around the world, you'll meet some South African mercenaries who would be an exact copy of Eliot character, just without the good/honorable intentions.
NO complaints about Parker what she does is credible, base-jumpers do it everyday, cutting a glass with diamond/opening a lock/safe all real.
Sophie/Nate - cons are all too real, results and setup are just not as predictable.
Hardison - Also alarmingly real, with the capacity to take far more of your money and goods than a thief/grifter, and do it all in his bedroom while still wearing his mickey Mouse pajamas, while mom is downstairs making pancakes. To escape detection: you (trojan) infect a computer in your home country, then you use that infected computer to infect and create a zombie computer in a different country, then you take over that computer as if you are sitting in front of it, then....
Hardison says: ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOUR ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM IS UP TO DATE, DON'T BECOME A ZOMBIE. (multiple people can be using your computer at the same time and you would never know)
(The Frame-Up Job, wow! The friend I watch Leverage with and I absolutely loved it. Sophie and Nate and Sterling interacting all on their own was completely fantastic, thank you!)
Question is: is there a reason that Sterling's entire Interpol team is made up of ladies? We loved that detail, and we're really curious if there was deliberate thinking behind it or if it just so happened to be that way.
finally realized what it was that kept bugging me about this episode (namely the rundown job) as well as the love people show for it, saying they'd watch the hell out of a spin-off and so forth:
The military guy we see at the beginning in the congressional committee who is some old mate of Elliots, and who they end up working for during this episode?
He is essentially Oliver North. This is the thing that during that whole episode kept nagging at the back of my head that THEY SHOULD NOT BE WORKING FOR THIS GUY, THEY SHOULD PUT HIM DOWN. I mean apart from the fact that (conscious choice or not) he has an extremely oily, smarmy, self-confident look to himself that makes you wanna punch him, he is the embodiment of oversightless black project things. Which are bad.
Have Mr Rogers politics done a 180 degree reversal? Have I completely misunderstood them? I admit I might, after all I'm looking at all this from a European perspective, i.e. far away, but from everything that I know about how you think, this guy should be a bad guy. So either there is something waiting in a later episode this season where he gets his comeuppance or I'm very confused.
And people on here? THIS IS A BAD GUY. Why do you not see this? I mean seriously?
Ya'll calm the hell down, ain't nobody leaving. This kung fu motherfucker already told us that shit inadvertently. He said a few posts ago (about Nate and Sophie): "we're going to take a while to explore the relationship. Although this could be the last season, so..."
I feel like that implies, if they're renewed, they'd like to explore that relationship further. Why would he say that if they're not coming back if the show is renewed? Damn I'm clever. But seriously ya'll are getting ahead of yourselves. Show's not even renewed yet. Lets rally and see if we can't get TNT to figure their shit out. E-MAIL THESE BITCHES: tnt@turner.com
Also, corporations these days (in all their infinite curmudgeonly desperation) have a major woody for social media. Go "like" the Leverage facebook group. Tweet some lame ass hash tags. Do what you gotta do. But complaining to the showrunner about some fucking fairy tale spin-off that will probably never happen is NOT the answer I promise you. Damn ya'll are crazy. I'm looking at you, "Shane".
First, I have a list of characters. You have to bring back at least one of these characters. Please bring back one of these characters. -Bonnano -Tara -The mark from 'Hot Potato Job' that got away. -Bonnano -Black Widow grifter from 'Lonely Hearts Job' -Love-struck CEO from 'Lonely Hearts Job' -Bonnano -Loan shark from 'Bottle Job' -Wannabe shark from 'Boiler Room Job' -Everyone from the 'Two Live Crew Job' -Seriously, you have to bring back Bonnano. -The cool law-enforcement pair that tasered the mean French chef in 'French Connection Job' -BONNANO!
To the questions! 1) Is there a reason that Elliot didn't go to the hospital after being shot twice? 2) How much of this episode is based on real people? Namely, are there really politicians who go out of their way to shut down an army officer who (I'm guessing) has a record of actually stopping in-universe life-threatening terrorist acts? Speaking of which, don't insane people who think that America is on the brink of terrorist attack, realise that committing a terrorist attack against America to get America prepared is kind of... stupid? self-defeating? 3) How much of past episodes? Some of the villains just seem pointlessly, illogically evil. The guy who tried to kill a plane full of people to silence an accountant and a hitman? A CEO paying craploads of money to release a drug that kills people, when they could make as much money releasing a drug that... didn't kill people? There's greed, and then there's going out of your way to find puppies and kick them while laughing maniacally and twirling your moustache. 4) Are you bringing back Bonnano or not? 5) How would the series have gone if, by some bizarre happen-stance, Nate stayed in prison and Eliot took over the team? Dude has serious leadership chops; I don't know if Nate could talk Hardison into going up against bio-chemical terrorism. 6) Did anyone ever talk about the fact that a gunman tried to murder a crippled, isolated Parker back when everyone was in Japan?
Sophie and Nate feel really neglected lately..when they're on screen they're usually romancing each other and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing them together, but what happened to all their looks and exchanges and convos from seasons 1 and 2? When their relationship had so much more gravity and heft. I know you say Sophie's arc was accelerated for Season 2, but that can't be it. She couldn't just have come back from her holiday, fell in bed with Nate after one season and now it's all sunshine and rainbows for the two of them. There has to be something haunting Sophie still, something that adds to her mystery, something that Nate still struggles with that gives their relationship the importance and the weight it used to have in season 1 & 2. I love how the 3 children have developed, but I feel like Nate & Sophie need to have something more between them..
@the_eye: I think that the back of your head needs its eyes checked.
I see Colonel Vance as less like Colonel North, and more like Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith, from the A-Team. Or, maybe even more on the nose, more like the pre-canon Colonel John Casey character Adam Baldwin portrayed on Chuck, based on the episode "vs. the Couch Lock."
I mean, seriously, Oliver North? How do you conflate assembling a "off-the-books" team of unlikely allies, willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, with the guy at the center of the Iran-Contra Affair? If anything, Vance is more like Nate Ford than Oliver North. Hell, he's more like Malcom Reynolds than Oliver North.
Re: The car, I think Vance just assumed it was Eliot communicating through Hardison. He knows Eliot knows where they are, he knows about Hardison's skills … who else would send an SOS via car horn?
And Eliot's coat – If you look on the floor of the car, you can see it lying there.
And @Daniel Quinn – Oh, I know we won't see it, just as I never had any expectation we'd see any more about the Japan Job. I'd just like to know who Rogers envisions having to make The Phone Call From Hell. ;)
Just watched the Rundown Job on iTunes and there are extended scenes that weren't aired on TNT. Will they be on the DVDs or do I need to get the eps from iTunes? I know they are just a few seconds here and there but they really add to the scenes.
@SueN... Maybe I didn't state my question about the blocked call well---
So - when it rings and the Congressman/Senator (i forget what he was) answered it - it clearly said 'blocked call'. So - if it was a blocked call... how did Vance know it was Eliot EARLIER in the day. I got the later in the day calls.. but the FIRST call in the morning didnt make sense.
and on the coat.. I know it was on the ground...but there was no taking off of the coat...the edit was just funky
@MacSTL: I can't remember exactly, and I'm not currently at home to check, but I'm pretty sure, even if it wasn't shown outright, that the context of how the first act ended meant that Vance knew it was Eliot because Eliot was the first person to speak.
This question has been killin me for two years. So you know in the reunion job at the end everybody's dancing. Sophie and Nate and crowned and dance, Parker and Hardison do their own thing up top and Eliot punches a dude (very fitting, btw). Well my question is WHAT THE HELL WAS PARKER DOING UP THERE ON THE RIG? The job was over! It's not like she needed get out that way. No one suspected her, they could all stroll out the door. Why did she take the time to set that up, strap in, and then start chillin in mid air. Upside down. If no one was suspicious of her before, they certainly would be if they looked up and saw her spider-monkeying around. Loved the finales, good job.
@Anonymous7:01 Just wanted to say that Linsey McDonald is also the reason why I started watching Leverage.
@Anonymous5:45 What do you mean by calling the Metro sterile? You couldnt get any less sterile than the Metro except maybe the Baltimore subway. Those places are crawling with germs.
@oppyo I'm not sure how they could bring Bannono back as much as I would love to see him, he is a state police in Mass, what would he be doing in Portland? I guess if the crew was doing a job on the East Coast again. If you want to see more of him (well the actor) he is on Grimm. Hes a cop there too.
I have to agree with Anonymous 12:19 on not seeing the cast or crew on the talk shows. “The Closer” has its last season and Kyra Sedgwick is trotted out on all the talk shows. “Rizzoli and Isles” has its 2nd season and the stars show up on one show or another. Leverage? Nothing – silence. I can see Christian Kane on Letterman and then end up as the musical guest as well. (As an aside, I can see you and Craig Ferguson doing a great interview. You two like some of the same things.) As for Eliot’s hair cut, while I am curious and like the fact that the reason wasn’t addressed. I have this scene in my mind where Eliot walks into the bar and has the shorter hair. The rest of the team may unobtrusively point, raise eyebrows, shrug but NO ONE is going to ask him about it. Well, Parker may start to ask…….. Eliot doesn’t deal with trivial details like a hair cut.
One more question, now that I think about it: which version of these episodes will appear on the DVD: the broadcast edit, or the "extended version"? Because, as someone who neither has, nor wants, iTunes, I'd hate to miss out.
Glad to see the series getting its footing back. I felt the first few episodes of the season were a bit shaky, just because, well, I thought back to what you said about the first episode of Leverage, where you wrote the direction of "having a funky bass line (c'mon people, we're having fun here!)" and I realized, that was what was missing for much of the first three or four episodes of the season - it just wasn't as much fun. But these last two for the summer season were bang on.
(Actually, I think the sulking funk disappeared after the first three or four episodes of the season, so I'm writing it off as settling into a new city/working life.)
The two episodes dovetailed well together, and the level of intimacy between Parker and Hardison was EXACTLY where it needed to be - comfortable without being smothering. And the two connection scenes between Eliot and Hardison ("the smartest man I know" and Eliot's hugging him out of joy that Adam Baldwin's still alive) are some of the best writing you guys have done on the show. Kane and Aldis absolutely blew me away with "the smartest man" scene, and on the basis of that alone, TNT should bring you guys back for another season.
And the Nate/Sophie episode was the perfect contrast, something more light and playful, and it was what I've been yearning to see for a while now. I felt like Nate on the boat at the beginning of the season made it feel a little too much like he'd gone away from Sophie, so it was good to see the two of them in lock/step with each other. "Nobody knows them all, darling, not even me." Bravo. Also the "is there anyone else you'd like me to arrest?" Well done INDEED.
Now, on to questions, 'cause I do have a few: 1) It seems like we're getting lots of interesting permutations of the gang these days. What are the odds that we'll get a purely Nate and Parker episode at some point in the future? 2) Can we please, please, PLEASE get an episode at some point dedicated, at least in part, to what Nate and Sterling were like when they were working together, pre-Leverage crew? Mark is such a great actor, and Frame-Up made me yearn to see that backstory even more fleshed out, while still leaving a billion questions unanswered. Something to put a bug in the ear, perhaps. 3) Was Sophie's real name one of the ones that Sterling rattled off? 4) ... Nate's not gonna hang that picture of Sophie in his office with Old Man Nate is he?
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Just so you know, I'm totally choosing to view Blackeyes as the background for Sophie's character. She made a career out of stealing from the rich men who had previously treated her like an object. (Aside from the whole meta novel aspect of the series obviously). Cool?
Sophie is the only character for whom we have no explanation as to why she does what she does.
Eliot joined the army at a young age (16 just about?) because he was an eager patriot who had "god in his heart and a flag on his shoulder" and (I suspect) got in too deep too early on in life. Not to mention the whole cooking thing, learning discipline, etc.
Parker grew up in the foster care system and she resorted to stealing cars, getting into trouble, etc. She met archie and, yadda, yadda, yadda. Honed into the perfect thief.
Hardison. Well. "You can't look at pictures of naked girls on a violin". He was in foster care, was raised by his "nana", who was fiercely protective of him and his foster siblings (I recall a line about "if you so much as looked as us crooked"). We don't know specifically how he got into computers but I'm not sure if that really matters. Though I'd still like to know.
I think we all know what motivates Nate: His father. Went to seminary school (in order to not become his father, I presume). Became an insurance claims investigator. Got married. Had family. Kid got sick. Treatment coverage denied. Kid dies. Drunken stupor. Anger. Dubenich. Leverage team is born.
Sophie. Nadda. Zip. Zero.
I'm going with Blackeyes. Since you seem determined to act as if somehow the characters backstory's have all been treated equally. Not trying to be a hater, but Sophie is ridiculously negleced in that sense. You may feel as if her past doesn't matter but I watch everything on TV. EVERYTHING (non-reality, that is) because I'm a huge TV buff. And I have NEVER wanted to know more about a character than I do with Sophie. Period.
@sofa_king said: @the_eye: I think that the back of your head needs its eyes checked.
I see Colonel Vance as less like Colonel North, and more like Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith, from the A-Team. Or, maybe even more on the nose, more like the pre-canon Colonel John Casey character Adam Baldwin portrayed on Chuck, based on the episode "vs. the Couch Lock."
I mean, seriously, Oliver North? How do you conflate assembling a "off-the-books" team of unlikely allies, willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, with the guy at the center of the Iran-Contra Affair? If anything, Vance is more like Nate Ford than Oliver North. Hell, he's more like Malcom Reynolds than Oliver North.
Thought about this a bit (as evidenced by the time delay) and the point is, the description you give above is exactly how I figure Oliver North (and ppl from the Reagan admin) thinks of himself. I seem to recall that's something that our host once said (not sure though), i.e. that almost every villain thinks, in his own narrative, that he's the good guy of the story. So .. I'm not sure I take what you said as a valid counter to what I said.
Meaning, a military guy, who, in his capacity as a member of the military of country X, while using the (considerable) resources of the military (and other agencies) of country X, assembles said team of unlikely allies to do thing Y that is NOT sanctioned by whichever legislative body of country X is responsible for sanctioning such things (a lond-winded way of summing up the first few minutes of the episode), is NOT a good guy. No way.
You can, of course, inside the story Universe, construct your Universe in such a way as to make him a good guy by changing the boundary conditions to suit your narrative, but then the only thing you've accomplished is writing Atlas Shrugged.
Ummm. I hope I've managed to convey my thoughts in an understandable manner. Second language and all that. Also, confused (and confusing) thoughts.
@the_eye: Your interpretation of what happened during Iran/Contra, and comparing Colonel North's role in it to Vance's role in whatever took place in "Act 0" of the Rundown Job, is either facile (best case scenario), or disingenuous (worst case scenario). I say that because any comparison that could be made between the two, beyond the most superficial level, is completely misinformed: Colonel Vance is a military officer who was called to testify before Congress. Colonel North was a military officer who was called to testify before Congress.
And that's pretty much where the similarity ends.
The Iran/Contra affair involved 1) a sale of weapons to Iran, which was under arms embargo, for the purposes of bankrolling the Nicaraguan Contras, 2) a cover-up by top officials, and 3)alleged involvement and/or knowledge of the incident by the POTUS, himself (even though he was, evidently, able to claim plausible deniability).
As scene 2(?) of Act 1 of the Rundown Job shows, Vance was not called before Congress because of doing any of those things, or even anything like any of those things. There certainly was no cover up. Vance was ordered to testify at the hearing because he violated "jurisdictional rules." This is neither the scandal nor the international incident that Iran/Contra was, so much as it is the premise to Beverly Hills Cop.
If anything, what Vance did was the equivalent of a suspended cop pursuing a murder investigation. Or an NYPD detective tracking down suspects in Mexico. What it falls short of, however, is using the funds from illegal arms sales to finance guerilla warfare in another country.
The Congressional Hearing scene, IME, goes out of its way to establish Vance as a maverick, not a dirty soldier. A guy who picks up where the law leaves off or, in other words, exactly the kind of guy that Leverage Consulting would be sympathetic to.
I totally agree that they need to put their stars out there, on the talk circuit.
I have seen interviews and panels with the staff and they were pretty funny and interesting, so why not take it public. Beth: she is beautiful and Charming in interviews Aldis: he is funny, smart and genuine Beth and Aldis: When they get together it's belly busting laughter and lots of flirting and fun quips on stage. Christian: not as funny but seriously intense and multi-layered. Tim: not exactly an extrovert but with a fun and focused lady like Gina with him drawing him out, they would be fun.
"The Frame-Up Job" is played as a light, Agatha Christie-style mystery, which obscures that the villain is one of the most cold-hearted antagonists in the entire series. He's a rich ne'er-do-well who starts out by slowly poisoning his own father. Later, when Nate, Sophie and Sterling expose his partner and she runs to him in panic, he instantly kills her as casually as if he were swatting a fly.
(Note: I already posted this at Leverage's Fridge Horror at TV Tropes [ http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/Leverage ]. I'm reposting it here because I'd like to see how John and the grifters react to it. Sorry if anyone has already written something like this.)
Okay, I don't know if these really fan-boy questions has been asked or not, but I thought I should ask:
"Who would win in a con/reverse con between our Leverage team and the A-Team?"
and
"Could the Leverage team con the NCIS team and get away with it? How would it go down?"
Sorry, I'm also the jerk that asks "Who would win in an ideological battle between Captain America and Wonder Woman" and "Who would win in a fight between Bane and Doc Savage."
two things: I got Sleeping Dogs based on your remarks about it. Fucking awesome. I still like Red Dead better but aide from being open world, they're apples and oranges.
Secondly, I was going through the contract negotiations for showrunners at my job the other day. Congratulations, man. You've got a sweet gig. Aside from all the intense amounts of stressful work. Anyway, good luck with renewal, assuming that's what you want.
I just want to say that I was EXTREMELY hungover watching this. The moment Nate pours the vodka into the martini glass mixture, I threw up fuckin everywhere. Thanks man. Ya fuckin dick.
Why are people like fucking hard selling Jon Rogers on putting the cast on the talk-show circuit? That is not part of his job. You think he doesn't want more publicity for his show? Foools. Talk to the network if you want to see them more.
I just listened to the podcast. Look man, it isn't that we will never be satisfied with what backstory we're given for Sophie, it's just that there are a couple thing we NEED answers to. Namely, what was the deal with the "auntie" in London. That's really all I want to know. I don't even need to know her real name or how she got started. Also, you think Gina would tell us the backstory if this is indeed the last season? I mean, what's the harm.
Last question: Do you think TNT is stalling to give news because they want to see how the show does on Tuesdays? I think Tuesday will be a good fit.
LAST THING, I swear. I couldn't read the captcha so I clicked on the sound button to hear it. Not only could I not make out what it was saying but it was the most frightening thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Last thing I wanted to hear while home alone.
I'm suprised this hasn't been asked yet. If My Mystere was his first painting... and Mettier died in 1989, how the hell old was Sophie in that paining?? The numbers on that this captcha are a fucking joke btw.
Best compliment I can give Tim and Gina is that it didn't feel like I was watching my parents flirting for an hour. A lot of times, that's how it feels when watching middle aged couples be cute onscreen. But they were pretty steamy. I dug it.
I forgot to ask this back when the ep aired but I was wondering about the hockey episode. Sometimes it feels like the client can be pretty inconsequential to... anything. That episode stood out to me. Not only to we hardly see the kid again, but when we do, you can hardly tell he's even met Eliot before. Was he just playing it off? Pretending not to know Eliot? Because when he yelled at Eliot in the locker room I thought HE might have some brain damage. Not trying to insult Paul Guyot, who I just read is the guy who wrote it but i was just wondering what your thoughts are on clients in general. Is it too complicated to give them more to do in an episode? I rather liked the young girl from the Double Blind job, and felt more emotionally invested in the team's success because she was actually around during the episode. Is that not practical?
Isn't that just the problem why some businesses (shows) fail, it's the "it's not my job syndrome" We are pushing everybody to focus on keeping this show on the air, so IF we have to talk to the boom guy or janitor, it's what we will do.
Maybe we need more "it's not my job" going to TNT executives and asking for a "Talk Show budget" to promote this really good show to a LARGER audience.
@Anonymous 3:29AM Best compliment I can give Tim and Gina is that it didn't feel like I was watching my parents flirting for an hour. A lot of times, that's how it feels when watching middle aged couples be cute onscreen.
Gee, thanks for making some of us feel old! :P
For that to have felt like watching my parents flirting, Rogers would have to recast the roles with Alfre Woodard (who is actually six months younger than my mom) and Clifton Davis.
Random thoughts, not related to these particular eps:
1. Any chance of a musical ep? :-) 2. Are there any plans to have part of the team go up against the other part? Sort of like how members of the same sports team will sometimes play against each other to test each other, perhaps Nate would have one of the members having to complete objective X while the rest of the team has to stop them.
I did not write this, but please read this shit that this girl posted on Tumblr. Awesome little write-up about Nate/Sophie. I thought it was well-composed and you might find it entertaining.
The reason he had long hair was because he would be less recognisable. However when going to a place where everyone knows him (Washington DC), it would be a very handy thing not to get recognised with the long hair, so for security reasons the hair was cut. However winter episodes will probably be back to helping "normal" people instead of stopping terrorists, so he will grow his hair back to length as to not be recognised that much.
Don't make no sense that Eliot has his hair long so he's not recognized. A) By now everybody knows he's got the long hair.
B) How many grown men do you know with long hair? Not many. He'd probably be the only one in the room. So while he's trying to hide behind his tresses, the guy who's looking for him is like, "uh. he's *there*... what's he doing? Why is he covering his face? Is he trying to hide from us behind hair on his own head?"
and C) He styles it in such a way that it doesn't hide his face at all! It's feathered, man. Like a Charlie's Angel.
@ZMiles The short answer is no musical, IIRC. Why? Because Joss Whedon spoiled it for everyone according to a post from JR on this blog a while back. According to a post I read from Joss (probably referenced in that same JR post) Joss went and learned the piano, and it took him 6 months IRL to get to the point he felt capable of doing songwriting. JR expressed he would not put himself through that. Sorry, mate.Keep hoping tho.
Is this a major plot hole in 509 or an I missing something?
The virus can only be destroyed by fire. So after they disable the bomb, Parker uses her little mini-torch to ignite all of the virus-laced spray.
After they disabled the bomb, they used fire.
The bomb.
If the bomb had exploded, wouldn't it the fire from the explosion have been sufficient to kill the virus? If a little torch is enough, how are a few pounds of C4 insufficient?
Regarding bombs: Not all bombs create fire, in fact, very few bombs create fire, that is why there is a special name for bombs built to create fire, they are called "Incendiary bombs". A typical bomb is a percussion/concussion instrument (grenade like), so you use these types of bombs for dispersal of fragments or shock or matter into the atmosphere.
So the writers were right that direct flame will change the consistency of an airborne pollutant. (as we know matter never goes away, it just changes)
I like the show a lot but I can't help but think that it's nuts that the gang fucks with millionaires and billionaires and RUINS them on a daily basis and no one has decided to make an example out of them, as a preemptive strike. Considering how corporations seem to have so much influence in the government, I'm surprised the government hasn't been pursuing them more as well. I realize Hardison covers their tracks well but with enough funding (and this does seem like a good investment), shouldn't a CEO be able to find their location? If I were an unscrupulous CEO, I would hire someone to POSE as someone who needed their help, and use that person to get close to them and then completely screw each and every one of them over. I'm just surprised that hasn't happened yet and that they don't seem particularly concerned with how unbelievably dangerous their "jobs" are. Is this something you would ever address or are we just to assume that Hardison is too good for anyone to find their location? To which I would add, word of mouth travels fast. You wouldn't need a hacker to find them, people would be talking about them in Portland, telling their friends, "hey you got any problems? These people will help you FOR FREE!" and the local newspapers would be writing about them. Anyway, sorry I'm rambling. I know this show is light-hearted but I don't think what I'm talking about is any darker than the season 2 finale, so I'm wondering if this is anything you guys talk about in the writer's room. If so, what conclusions do you come to? IE- "yeah that's an interesting possibility" or "that doesn't really fit into the concept of our show", etc.
I totally concur, if you mess with predators they will bite back.
One of the first and most benign thing these companies would do is get a detective(s) to track down and identify these people, because unlike "Hustle" the TV show, where after a sting they hurry away from the scene of the crime, or plan the crime so they appear to be innocent/dead/there wasn't a crime. The Leverage Team tend to let their victims know who did what to them, and take a victory lap (which I never could understand)
So, these unscrupulous companies would have their names and pictures spread throughout the business community or hire a "fixer" to deal with them OR use their influence in getting the FBI/Treasury Service/NSA to track them or just arrest them under the "Rico Law".
Hustle is a different story, you might never know you have been conned, or if you even know it, it will be hard to put together the pieces or who was real and who was the thief. - Sorry Leverage, I love you but this standing around preening at the end seems weak to me, I would prefer that the victim goes off, for the rest of their lives wonders "WHAT HAPPENED!?"
Thought I would make my way over here this time ;)
Regarding 'The Frame-Up Job', thanks on behalf of Nate/Sophie fans on a great episode :D
Since there was a running theme of trust throughout this episode, was wondering have Nate & Sophie put their trust issues aside, or will it rear it's ugly head again?
I noticed you hadn't yet got round to post-game on these eps so thought I'd sneak a question (or 3) in. After having just taken 3 days to read all 257 comments to check it wasn't there - how do you do it?!
I have to say, too, that I absolutely love this show and I'm incredibly miffed I only just found out about it (I'm in the UK - not my fault!). It did mean I got to watch 4.5 series in a little under 2 weeks. *cough*notobsessed*cough*
Having said that, season 5 is throwing up some outright stonking episodes. I'll stop gushing now and ask some questions...
1) Not that I want to get off the fun train, and I'm normally pretty good at coming up with explanations, but what triggered the trailer bomb? I can't accept it was timed to go off just after everyone runs away after the extremely cool car SOS. Didn't see any kind of pressure plate near the door set off by Vance. Perimeter sensor? Hidden in the grass to account for the 'getting the warrant we weren't going to bother with' delay, then timed to account for getting to the trailer and then the 'what's that car doing?' delay.
2) I loved Eliot's reaction when he found out the warning was in time. How much of that was scripted/improv/brilliant Kane acting?
3) In ep #505 (why not sneak another in?) how much of the Himalayan tree frog was scripted? Hilarious! Especially the sucker feet part. I'd happily have that on loop all day, and it still makes me laugh...
Oh, and thanks for the blog too; there's some fascinating insights here!
I would like to see a form of the "Two Live Crew", with the Leverage team going up against the "Hustle" team. I know that Hustle has ended, so that should make it easy to bring together Hustle's former actors.
We could have them in town to pull a scam, but the complication being that unknown to each other (until in the middle of the scam) they were trying to scam the same company/person/bad guy, and after realizing that, they become super competitive, trying to break each other scam, we then get to see Mickey and Nate go head-to-head in a double episode of tricks and cons. So we would have: Nate up against Mickey Sofie up against Albie/Ash Hardison up against Ash Parker up against Stacie/Emma Spencer up against Sean? (unfortunately there isn't counterpart for spencer on the Hustle team).
In addition sofie's loyalty is questioned because she had worked with the Hustle team back in London on a few stings, and especially when she gave away/bungled a Leverage team/Nate attempt to knock the Hustle team out of the game.
This would be/must be a two episode arc, where there would be a huge cliffhanger for episode#1, then episode#2 would be half closing the con(s) then the other half with flashbacks explaining the moves and the plans that brought them to the end of the con(s).
Have I totally gone off the deep end, or is this possible?
Hi Natalie, welcome to "The Leverage Obsession Club".
Regarding the bomb at the trailer, I am sure you will get an answer from the writers about it. I would just like to add my real life scenario two-bit. The motion detector that you can buy at a hardware store, then mount at the side of your house, can with a slight modification become an activator (instead of turning on the light bulb it closes a circuit) for a bomb with a delayed timer (giving an estimated time delay for them to enter trailer)before blowing up. It's the simplest way.
----- Regarding my earlier comments about the Leverage and Hustle team competing. Would there be a licensing issue, that would prevent that?
@Seth - thanks for the welcome, I finally got my membership card yesterday!
Oh, and I thought of another question. 4) Was the monster spy truck another cunningly disguised shout out to Dr Who? I swear it didn't look that big from the outside...
Sorry about the horrible English in my earlier reply, I came home after doing a 48+ hours shift and then made the mistake of thinking I could respond coherently to you and a few others.
How come with all the names in the world, both Hardison and Sophie use McAllister as an alias? Is that just a coincidence? Or is the big reveal this season that everyone on the team is secretly Scottish?
Leverage vs. NCIS? Hmm...Eliot and Ziva, Eliot and Gibbs, Nate and Gibbs...and the combination of Abby, Hardison, and Parker? My mind is blown. This must happen. In the meantime, I shall scour the internet for fanfiction. As for your question, I think the Leverage team would get away with it, but Ziva would kick Eliot's ass so very badly.
You wouldn't happen to know the answer to this age-old question, would you?:
If cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win?
So, both episodes were super great and thank you TNT for changing the order so The Rundown Job aired first because that one was darker and scarier as far as concept goes. Good move on their part to have the lighter episode end the mid-way point of the season on a happy note. They both definitely shouted spin-off pilots but they had the movie vibe to them also. Which leads to my very important question.
If/When (Because it is Hollywood and Ateam, Get Smart, and Mission Impossible have all done it) Leverage is made into a movie, what would you like to see done with it? Are there a list of requirements you have that need to be done? Is it just something as simple as "I want them to love it"? Dream plot? Thoughts?
These two episodes were absolutely amazing and thank you TNT for changing the scheduled showing so the Frame-Up Job followed the Rundown Job because the mid-season finale needed to end on a high note. Now, on a semi-related question.
If/When (Because Hollywood has already done A-team, Mission Impossible and Get Smart) Leverage is made into a movie, what would you like to see from it? Are there certain requirements you have? Are there things you wish to see that you can't financially pull off on a T.V. budget? Would you just say no? What are your thoughts?
Regarding The Rundown Job: OK, I've tried to wrap my head around this, but I just can't. I've tried to explain it away but there isn't any explanation.
Fot four seasons, we've watched Eliot Spencer take the gun away from a bad guy and immediately empty the chamber to take the weapon out of the equation, including the weapons he used himself at the end of the fight in The Big Bang Job. And we're supposed to believe that this particular time, he completely neglects to disable Dr. Udall's gun? Not only that, he throws the loaded firearm across the subway car AND ends up taking a second bullet because he pays so little attention that the bad guy gets his hands on the loaded gun again?
Regarding The Rundown Job: OK, I've tried to wrap my head around this, but I just can't. I've tried to explain it away but there isn't any explanation.
Fot four seasons, we've watched Eliot Spencer take the gun away from a bad guy and immediately empty the chamber to take the weapon out of the equation, including the weapons he used himself at the end of the fight in The Big Bang Job. And we're supposed to believe that this particular time, he completely neglects to disable Dr. Udall's gun? Not only that, he throws the loaded firearm across the subway car AND ends up taking a second bullet because he pays so little attention that the bad guy gets his hands on the loaded gun again?
@Trilby For four seasons, we've watched Eliot not getting shot at the end of the fight. I guess a bullet in his shoulder could be a mitigating circumstance.
You didn't watch carefully enough - he threw the gun when he staggered and barely stayed upright, and Hardison was the one who pushed it away across the subway, out of Eliots reach. Besides, they had cca one minute to deal with the bomb, that threat was clear and present.
In general, you're right - I would like to see him emptying the gun - Udall could easily, in one second, put the magazine back :D But I don't see that as a giant mistake as you obviously do :D
I don't have any way of rewatching the episode, but I'll take on faith that Hardison shoved the gun out of reach just as you said. That makes it a less egregious break in character, but it still really bothers me that they let the Bad Guy get his hands on the loaded weapon again.
I was wondering who came up with the idea of having the audience "see" Hardison at work, like with the schematics of the vault and Vance's car. It kinda reminded me of Sherlock's mind palace in "The Hounds of Baskerville." Slick and stylish.
Love the choreography/movement between Christian, Aldis, and Beth when they were at Dr. Udall's front door. How many times did they run through that? Were some parts by Beth's double or was that all Riesgraf? Awesome.
Congrats on the Doctor Who-iest episode yet: 1) "Spoilers"; 2) Mark Sheppard annoyed by a flirty know-it-all couple; 3) and, of course, Agents Tennant and Smith.
My only actual question is Who is your Doctor?
As much as we love Sophie, there's no one cooler than the unresolveable Mark Sheppard. If he's Smith, the Eleventh Doctor is the best.
I know that you've already answered questions for 5x10, but I'm still going to post one for 5x09 on the off chance that you catch it. Something about 5x09 (the copious amounts of competence porn, the bright and shiny new haircuts, I can't remember what else,) almost felt like it was suppose to open up the summer half. Was it ever slated to? (I remember the other thing, I counted the episode that had the long hair vs. the short and it came up to two, implying that they could have been reversed.) Just wondering!
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«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 342 of 342I love this show, but there one thing I really like about Leverage is the "movement of time" indications, though subtle as they may be.
Example:
1. Hardison - often says "It took me weeks to research the information".
2. Eliot - Once said "I've been following him for a month? now".
3. Nate - said "it took us months to setup this job".
I really hate shows that don't portray the passing of time, that gives the impression that everything takes place in one day, it just strains the credulity.
Like "here's the DNA swab test it", after commercial break "here's the lab results of the DNA", at least say it'll be ready in two/three days (really 4-6 weeks).
Another thing I like is Eliot getting hit back and stomped on, lets keep it slightly credible.
If you travel around the world, you'll meet some South African mercenaries who would be an exact copy of Eliot character, just without the good/honorable intentions.
NO complaints about Parker what she does is credible, base-jumpers do it everyday, cutting a glass with diamond/opening a lock/safe all real.
Sophie/Nate - cons are all too real, results and setup are just not as predictable.
Hardison - Also alarmingly real, with the capacity to take far more of your money and goods than a thief/grifter, and do it all in his bedroom while still wearing his mickey Mouse pajamas, while mom is downstairs making pancakes.
To escape detection: you (trojan) infect a computer in your home country, then you use that infected computer to infect and create a zombie computer in a different country, then you take over that computer as if you are sitting in front of it, then....
Hardison says:
ALWAYS MAKE SURE YOUR ANTI-VIRUS PROGRAM IS UP TO DATE, DON'T BECOME A ZOMBIE.
(multiple people can be using your computer at the same time and you would never know)
Whoa take a chill pill, Shane. You're freakin me out. Just wait until we hear back.
Last year Al Hodge and Beth Riesgraf did a TNT Web Chat, I was just looking at it on youtube.
I totally enjoyed it.
My question is:
Will they be doing another for this year?
The others should consider doing one also, and then you could post all the links in a space at the top of this blog.
Thanks,
Seth
(The Frame-Up Job, wow! The friend I watch Leverage with and I absolutely loved it. Sophie and Nate and Sterling interacting all on their own was completely fantastic, thank you!)
Question is: is there a reason that Sterling's entire Interpol team is made up of ladies? We loved that detail, and we're really curious if there was deliberate thinking behind it or if it just so happened to be that way.
finally realized what it was that kept bugging me about this episode (namely the rundown job) as well as the love people show for it, saying they'd watch the hell out of a spin-off and so forth:
The military guy we see at the beginning in the congressional committee who is some old mate of Elliots, and who they end up working for during this episode?
He is essentially Oliver North. This is the thing that during that whole episode kept nagging at the back of my head that THEY SHOULD NOT BE WORKING FOR THIS GUY, THEY SHOULD PUT HIM DOWN. I mean apart from the fact that (conscious choice or not) he has an extremely oily, smarmy, self-confident look to himself that makes you wanna punch him, he is the embodiment of oversightless black project things. Which are bad.
Have Mr Rogers politics done a 180 degree reversal? Have I completely misunderstood them? I admit I might, after all I'm looking at all this from a European perspective, i.e. far away, but from everything that I know about how you think, this guy should be a bad guy. So either there is something waiting in a later episode this season where he gets his comeuppance or I'm very confused.
And people on here? THIS IS A BAD GUY. Why do you not see this? I mean seriously?
Ya'll calm the hell down, ain't nobody leaving. This kung fu motherfucker already told us that shit inadvertently. He said a few posts ago (about Nate and Sophie): "we're going to take a while to explore the relationship. Although this could be the last season, so..."
I feel like that implies, if they're renewed, they'd like to explore that relationship further. Why would he say that if they're not coming back if the show is renewed? Damn I'm clever. But seriously ya'll are getting ahead of yourselves. Show's not even renewed yet. Lets rally and see if we can't get TNT to figure their shit out. E-MAIL THESE BITCHES: tnt@turner.com
Also, corporations these days (in all their infinite curmudgeonly desperation) have a major woody for social media. Go "like" the Leverage facebook group. Tweet some lame ass hash tags. Do what you gotta do. But complaining to the showrunner about some fucking fairy tale spin-off that will probably never happen is NOT the answer I promise you. Damn ya'll are crazy. I'm looking at you, "Shane".
First, I have a list of characters. You have to bring back at least one of these characters. Please bring back one of these characters.
-Bonnano
-Tara
-The mark from 'Hot Potato Job' that got away.
-Bonnano
-Black Widow grifter from 'Lonely Hearts Job'
-Love-struck CEO from 'Lonely Hearts Job'
-Bonnano
-Loan shark from 'Bottle Job'
-Wannabe shark from 'Boiler Room Job'
-Everyone from the 'Two Live Crew Job'
-Seriously, you have to bring back Bonnano.
-The cool law-enforcement pair that tasered the mean French chef in 'French Connection Job'
-BONNANO!
To the questions!
1) Is there a reason that Elliot didn't go to the hospital after being shot twice?
2) How much of this episode is based on real people? Namely, are there really politicians who go out of their way to shut down an army officer who (I'm guessing) has a record of actually stopping in-universe life-threatening terrorist acts? Speaking of which, don't insane people who think that America is on the brink of terrorist attack, realise that committing a terrorist attack against America to get America prepared is kind of... stupid? self-defeating?
3) How much of past episodes? Some of the villains just seem pointlessly, illogically evil. The guy who tried to kill a plane full of people to silence an accountant and a hitman? A CEO paying craploads of money to release a drug that kills people, when they could make as much money releasing a drug that... didn't kill people? There's greed, and then there's going out of your way to find puppies and kick them while laughing maniacally and twirling your moustache.
4) Are you bringing back Bonnano or not?
5) How would the series have gone if, by some bizarre happen-stance, Nate stayed in prison and Eliot took over the team? Dude has serious leadership chops; I don't know if Nate could talk Hardison into going up against bio-chemical terrorism.
6) Did anyone ever talk about the fact that a gunman tried to murder a crippled, isolated Parker back when everyone was in Japan?
I really can't understand why TNT is taking so long to renew Leverage. It's just getting frustrating!
These last 2 episodes are a clear sign that we should have at least 1 more season!
Sophie and Nate feel really neglected lately..when they're on screen they're usually romancing each other and whatnot. Don't get me wrong, I love seeing them together, but what happened to all their looks and exchanges and convos from seasons 1 and 2? When their relationship had so much more gravity and heft. I know you say Sophie's arc was accelerated for Season 2, but that can't be it. She couldn't just have come back from her holiday, fell in bed with Nate after one season and now it's all sunshine and rainbows for the two of them. There has to be something haunting Sophie still, something that adds to her mystery, something that Nate still struggles with that gives their relationship the importance and the weight it used to have in season 1 & 2. I love how the 3 children have developed, but I feel like Nate & Sophie need to have something more between them..
@the_eye: I think that the back of your head needs its eyes checked.
I see Colonel Vance as less like Colonel North, and more like Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith, from the A-Team. Or, maybe even more on the nose, more like the pre-canon Colonel John Casey character Adam Baldwin portrayed on Chuck, based on the episode "vs. the Couch Lock."
I mean, seriously, Oliver North? How do you conflate assembling a "off-the-books" team of unlikely allies, willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, with the guy at the center of the Iran-Contra Affair? If anything, Vance is more like Nate Ford than Oliver North. Hell, he's more like Malcom Reynolds than Oliver North.
@MacSTL:
Re: The car, I think Vance just assumed it was Eliot communicating through Hardison. He knows Eliot knows where they are, he knows about Hardison's skills … who else would send an SOS via car horn?
And Eliot's coat – If you look on the floor of the car, you can see it lying there.
And @Daniel Quinn – Oh, I know we won't see it, just as I never had any expectation we'd see any more about the Japan Job. I'd just like to know who Rogers envisions having to make The Phone Call From Hell. ;)
(And, my God, that's a nasty captcha!)
Just watched the Rundown Job on iTunes and there are extended scenes that weren't aired on TNT. Will they be on the DVDs or do I need to get the eps from iTunes? I know they are just a few seconds here and there but they really add to the scenes.
@SueN... Maybe I didn't state my question about the blocked call well---
So - when it rings and the Congressman/Senator (i forget what he was) answered it - it clearly said 'blocked call'. So - if it was a blocked call... how did Vance know it was Eliot EARLIER in the day. I got the later in the day calls.. but the FIRST call in the morning didnt make sense.
and on the coat.. I know it was on the ground...but there was no taking off of the coat...the edit was just funky
@MacSTL: I can't remember exactly, and I'm not currently at home to check, but I'm pretty sure, even if it wasn't shown outright, that the context of how the first act ended meant that Vance knew it was Eliot because Eliot was the first person to speak.
This question has been killin me for two years. So you know in the reunion job at the end everybody's dancing. Sophie and Nate and crowned and dance, Parker and Hardison do their own thing up top and Eliot punches a dude (very fitting, btw). Well my question is WHAT THE HELL WAS PARKER DOING UP THERE ON THE RIG? The job was over! It's not like she needed get out that way. No one suspected her, they could all stroll out the door. Why did she take the time to set that up, strap in, and then start chillin in mid air. Upside down. If no one was suspicious of her before, they certainly would be if they looked up and saw her spider-monkeying around. Loved the finales, good job.
@Anonymous 2:02 "WHAT THE HELL WAS PARKER DOING UP THERE ON THE RIG?"
Catch-all answer: It's Parker!
@Anonymous7:01
Just wanted to say that Linsey McDonald is also the reason why I started watching Leverage.
@Anonymous5:45
What do you mean by calling the Metro sterile? You couldnt get any less sterile than the Metro except maybe the Baltimore subway. Those places are crawling with germs.
@oppyo
I'm not sure how they could bring Bannono back as much as I would love to see him, he is a state police in Mass, what would he be doing in Portland? I guess if the crew was doing a job on the East Coast again. If you want to see more of him (well the actor) he is on Grimm. Hes a cop there too.
John, I really loved the episodes.
I have to agree with Anonymous 12:19 on not seeing the cast or crew on the talk shows. “The Closer” has its last season and Kyra Sedgwick is trotted out on all the talk shows. “Rizzoli and Isles” has its 2nd season and the stars show up on one show or another. Leverage? Nothing – silence. I can see Christian Kane on Letterman and then end up as the musical guest as well. (As an aside, I can see you and Craig Ferguson doing a great interview. You two like some of the same things.)
As for Eliot’s hair cut, while I am curious and like the fact that the reason wasn’t addressed. I have this scene in my mind where Eliot walks into the bar and has the shorter hair. The rest of the team may unobtrusively point, raise eyebrows, shrug but NO ONE is going to ask him about it. Well, Parker may start to ask…….. Eliot doesn’t deal with trivial details like a hair cut.
[quote] Anonymous said...
What was the implication of Tim's line "I think I drank this in college"?
5:19 PM[/quote]
I assumed he just meant it was cheap vodka.
Why does my TiVo think that these are episodes 512/509 instead of 509/510?
One more question, now that I think about it: which version of these episodes will appear on the DVD: the broadcast edit, or the "extended version"? Because, as someone who neither has, nor wants, iTunes, I'd hate to miss out.
Hey John,
Glad to see the series getting its footing back. I felt the first few episodes of the season were a bit shaky, just because, well, I thought back to what you said about the first episode of Leverage, where you wrote the direction of "having a funky bass line (c'mon people, we're having fun here!)" and I realized, that was what was missing for much of the first three or four episodes of the season - it just wasn't as much fun. But these last two for the summer season were bang on.
(Actually, I think the sulking funk disappeared after the first three or four episodes of the season, so I'm writing it off as settling into a new city/working life.)
The two episodes dovetailed well together, and the level of intimacy between Parker and Hardison was EXACTLY where it needed to be - comfortable without being smothering. And the two connection scenes between Eliot and Hardison ("the smartest man I know" and Eliot's hugging him out of joy that Adam Baldwin's still alive) are some of the best writing you guys have done on the show. Kane and Aldis absolutely blew me away with "the smartest man" scene, and on the basis of that alone, TNT should bring you guys back for another season.
And the Nate/Sophie episode was the perfect contrast, something more light and playful, and it was what I've been yearning to see for a while now. I felt like Nate on the boat at the beginning of the season made it feel a little too much like he'd gone away from Sophie, so it was good to see the two of them in lock/step with each other. "Nobody knows them all, darling, not even me." Bravo. Also the "is there anyone else you'd like me to arrest?" Well done INDEED.
Now, on to questions, 'cause I do have a few:
1) It seems like we're getting lots of interesting permutations of the gang these days. What are the odds that we'll get a purely Nate and Parker episode at some point in the future?
2) Can we please, please, PLEASE get an episode at some point dedicated, at least in part, to what Nate and Sterling were like when they were working together, pre-Leverage crew? Mark is such a great actor, and Frame-Up made me yearn to see that backstory even more fleshed out, while still leaving a billion questions unanswered. Something to put a bug in the ear, perhaps.
3) Was Sophie's real name one of the ones that Sterling rattled off?
4) ... Nate's not gonna hang that picture of Sophie in his office with Old Man Nate is he?
Oh my damn those episodes were great.
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Just so you know, I'm totally choosing to view Blackeyes as the background for Sophie's character. She made a career out of stealing from the rich men who had previously treated her like an object. (Aside from the whole meta novel aspect of the series obviously). Cool?
Sophie is the only character for whom we have no explanation as to why she does what she does.
Eliot joined the army at a young age (16 just about?) because he was an eager patriot who had "god in his heart and a flag on his shoulder" and (I suspect) got in too deep too early on in life. Not to mention the whole cooking thing, learning discipline, etc.
Parker grew up in the foster care system and she resorted to stealing cars, getting into trouble, etc. She met archie and, yadda, yadda, yadda. Honed into the perfect thief.
Hardison. Well. "You can't look at pictures of naked girls on a violin". He was in foster care, was raised by his "nana", who was fiercely protective of him and his foster siblings (I recall a line about "if you so much as looked as us crooked"). We don't know specifically how he got into computers but I'm not sure if that really matters. Though I'd still like to know.
I think we all know what motivates Nate: His father. Went to seminary school (in order to not become his father, I presume). Became an insurance claims investigator. Got married. Had family. Kid got sick. Treatment coverage denied. Kid dies. Drunken stupor. Anger. Dubenich. Leverage team is born.
Sophie. Nadda. Zip. Zero.
I'm going with Blackeyes. Since you seem determined to act as if somehow the characters backstory's have all been treated equally. Not trying to be a hater, but Sophie is ridiculously negleced in that sense. You may feel as if her past doesn't matter but I watch everything on TV. EVERYTHING (non-reality, that is) because I'm a huge TV buff. And I have NEVER wanted to know more about a character than I do with Sophie. Period.
@sofa_king said:
@the_eye: I think that the back of your head needs its eyes checked.
I see Colonel Vance as less like Colonel North, and more like Colonel John "Hannibal" Smith, from the A-Team. Or, maybe even more on the nose, more like the pre-canon Colonel John Casey character Adam Baldwin portrayed on Chuck, based on the episode "vs. the Couch Lock."
I mean, seriously, Oliver North? How do you conflate assembling a "off-the-books" team of unlikely allies, willing to do whatever it takes to get the job done, with the guy at the center of the Iran-Contra Affair? If anything, Vance is more like Nate Ford than Oliver North. Hell, he's more like Malcom Reynolds than Oliver North.
Thought about this a bit (as evidenced by the time delay) and the point is, the description you give above is exactly how I figure Oliver North (and ppl from the Reagan admin) thinks of himself. I seem to recall that's something that our host once said (not sure though), i.e. that almost every villain thinks, in his own narrative, that he's the good guy of the story. So .. I'm not sure I take what you said as a valid counter to what I said.
Meaning, a military guy, who, in his capacity as a member of the military of country X, while using the (considerable) resources of the military (and other agencies) of country X, assembles said team of unlikely allies to do thing Y that is NOT sanctioned by whichever legislative body of country X is responsible for sanctioning such things (a lond-winded way of summing up the first few minutes of the episode), is NOT a good guy. No way.
You can, of course, inside the story Universe, construct your Universe in such a way as to make him a good guy by changing the boundary conditions to suit your narrative, but then the only thing you've accomplished is writing Atlas Shrugged.
Ummm. I hope I've managed to convey my thoughts in an understandable manner. Second language and all that. Also, confused (and confusing) thoughts.
@the_eye: Your interpretation of what happened during Iran/Contra, and comparing Colonel North's role in it to Vance's role in whatever took place in "Act 0" of the Rundown Job, is either facile (best case scenario), or disingenuous (worst case scenario). I say that because any comparison that could be made between the two, beyond the most superficial level, is completely misinformed: Colonel Vance is a military officer who was called to testify before Congress. Colonel North was a military officer who was called to testify before Congress.
And that's pretty much where the similarity ends.
The Iran/Contra affair involved 1) a sale of weapons to Iran, which was under arms embargo, for the purposes of bankrolling the Nicaraguan Contras, 2) a cover-up by top officials, and 3)alleged involvement and/or knowledge of the incident by the POTUS, himself (even though he was, evidently, able to claim plausible deniability).
As scene 2(?) of Act 1 of the Rundown Job shows, Vance was not called before Congress because of doing any of those things, or even anything like any of those things. There certainly was no cover up. Vance was ordered to testify at the hearing because he violated "jurisdictional rules." This is neither the scandal nor the international incident that Iran/Contra was, so much as it is the premise to Beverly Hills Cop.
If anything, what Vance did was the equivalent of a suspended cop pursuing a murder investigation. Or an NYPD detective tracking down suspects in Mexico. What it falls short of, however, is using the funds from illegal arms sales to finance guerilla warfare in another country.
The Congressional Hearing scene, IME, goes out of its way to establish Vance as a maverick, not a dirty soldier. A guy who picks up where the law leaves off or, in other words, exactly the kind of guy that Leverage Consulting would be sympathetic to.
@msd,
I totally agree that they need to put their stars out there, on the talk circuit.
I have seen interviews and panels with the staff and they were pretty funny and interesting, so why not take it public.
Beth: she is beautiful and Charming in interviews
Aldis: he is funny, smart and genuine
Beth and Aldis: When they get together it's belly busting laughter and lots of flirting and fun quips on stage.
Christian: not as funny but seriously intense and multi-layered.
Tim: not exactly an extrovert but with a fun and focused lady like Gina with him drawing him out, they would be fun.
"The Frame-Up Job" is played as a light, Agatha Christie-style mystery, which obscures that the villain is one of the most cold-hearted antagonists in the entire series. He's a rich ne'er-do-well who starts out by slowly poisoning his own father. Later, when Nate, Sophie and Sterling expose his partner and she runs to him in panic, he instantly kills her as casually as if he were swatting a fly.
(Note: I already posted this at Leverage's Fridge Horror at TV Tropes [ http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Fridge/Leverage ]. I'm reposting it here because I'd like to see how John and the grifters react to it. Sorry if anyone has already written something like this.)
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Okay, I don't know if these really fan-boy questions has been asked or not, but I thought I should ask:
"Who would win in a con/reverse con between our Leverage team and the A-Team?"
and
"Could the Leverage team con the NCIS team and get away with it? How would it go down?"
Sorry, I'm also the jerk that asks "Who would win in an ideological battle between Captain America and Wonder Woman" and "Who would win in a fight between Bane and Doc Savage."
two things: I got Sleeping Dogs based on your remarks about it. Fucking awesome. I still like Red Dead better but aide from being open world, they're apples and oranges.
Secondly, I was going through the contract negotiations for showrunners at my job the other day. Congratulations, man. You've got a sweet gig. Aside from all the intense amounts of stressful work. Anyway, good luck with renewal, assuming that's what you want.
I just want to say that I was EXTREMELY hungover watching this. The moment Nate pours the vodka into the martini glass mixture, I threw up fuckin everywhere. Thanks man. Ya fuckin dick.
Why are people like fucking hard selling Jon Rogers on putting the cast on the talk-show circuit? That is not part of his job. You think he doesn't want more publicity for his show? Foools. Talk to the network if you want to see them more.
I just listened to the podcast. Look man, it isn't that we will never be satisfied with what backstory we're given for Sophie, it's just that there are a couple thing we NEED answers to. Namely, what was the deal with the "auntie" in London. That's really all I want to know. I don't even need to know her real name or how she got started. Also, you think Gina would tell us the backstory if this is indeed the last season? I mean, what's the harm.
Last question: Do you think TNT is stalling to give news because they want to see how the show does on Tuesdays? I think Tuesday will be a good fit.
LAST THING, I swear. I couldn't read the captcha so I clicked on the sound button to hear it. Not only could I not make out what it was saying but it was the most frightening thing I have ever heard in my entire life. Last thing I wanted to hear while home alone.
I'm suprised this hasn't been asked yet. If My Mystere was his first painting... and Mettier died in 1989, how the hell old was Sophie in that paining?? The numbers on that this captcha are a fucking joke btw.
Best compliment I can give Tim and Gina is that it didn't feel like I was watching my parents flirting for an hour. A lot of times, that's how it feels when watching middle aged couples be cute onscreen. But they were pretty steamy. I dug it.
I forgot to ask this back when the ep aired but I was wondering about the hockey episode. Sometimes it feels like the client can be pretty inconsequential to... anything. That episode stood out to me. Not only to we hardly see the kid again, but when we do, you can hardly tell he's even met Eliot before. Was he just playing it off? Pretending not to know Eliot? Because when he yelled at Eliot in the locker room I thought HE might have some brain damage. Not trying to insult Paul Guyot, who I just read is the guy who wrote it but i was just wondering what your thoughts are on clients in general. Is it too complicated to give them more to do in an episode? I rather liked the young girl from the Double Blind job, and felt more emotionally invested in the team's success because she was actually around during the episode. Is that not practical?
@Anonymous - 2:41am
Isn't that just the problem why some businesses (shows) fail, it's the "it's not my job syndrome"
We are pushing everybody to focus on keeping this show on the air, so IF we have to talk to the boom guy or janitor, it's what we will do.
Maybe we need more "it's not my job" going to TNT executives and asking for a "Talk Show budget" to promote this really good show to a LARGER audience.
@Anonymous 3:29AM
Best compliment I can give Tim and Gina is that it didn't feel like I was watching my parents flirting for an hour. A lot of times, that's how it feels when watching middle aged couples be cute onscreen.
Gee, thanks for making some of us feel old! :P
For that to have felt like watching my parents flirting, Rogers would have to recast the roles with Alfre Woodard (who is actually six months younger than my mom) and Clifton Davis.
Random thoughts, not related to these particular eps:
1. Any chance of a musical ep? :-)
2. Are there any plans to have part of the team go up against the other part? Sort of like how members of the same sports team will sometimes play against each other to test each other, perhaps Nate would have one of the members having to complete objective X while the rest of the team has to stop them.
I did not write this, but please read this shit that this girl posted on Tumblr. Awesome little write-up about Nate/Sophie. I thought it was well-composed and you might find it entertaining.
http://anniekroy.tumblr.com/post/32765568132/nate-what-were-really-asking-here-is-how-would
Hi Guys,
All the Elliot hair cutting people out there...
The reason he had long hair was because he would be less recognisable.
However when going to a place where everyone knows him (Washington DC), it would be a very handy thing not to get recognised with the long hair, so for security reasons the hair was cut. However winter episodes will probably be back to helping "normal" people instead of stopping terrorists, so he will grow his hair back to length as to not be recognised that much.
BTW, I love EVERY episode :P
but Parker is still my favorite.
They moved you to Tuesdays at 10? Seriously? During the summer that would have been fine, but November and December it's against SoA!
Don't make no sense that Eliot has his hair long so he's not recognized. A) By now everybody knows he's got the long hair.
B) How many grown men do you know with long hair? Not many. He'd probably be the only one in the room. So while he's trying to hide behind his tresses, the guy who's looking for him is like, "uh. he's *there*... what's he doing? Why is he covering his face? Is he trying to hide from us behind hair on his own head?"
and C) He styles it in such a way that it doesn't hide his face at all! It's feathered, man. Like a Charlie's Angel.
@ZMiles The short answer is no musical, IIRC. Why? Because Joss Whedon spoiled it for everyone according to a post from JR on this blog a while back. According to a post I read from Joss (probably referenced in that same JR post) Joss went and learned the piano, and it took him 6 months IRL to get to the point he felt capable of doing songwriting. JR expressed he would not put himself through that. Sorry, mate.Keep hoping tho.
Is this a major plot hole in 509 or an I missing something?
The virus can only be destroyed by fire. So after they disable the bomb, Parker uses her little mini-torch to ignite all of the virus-laced spray.
After they disabled the bomb, they used fire.
The bomb.
If the bomb had exploded, wouldn't it the fire from the explosion have been sufficient to kill the virus? If a little torch is enough, how are a few pounds of C4 insufficient?
"Oh, hey. This is a pretty nifty take on '24'. Actually, wait, no...
This isn't government-sponsored professional anti-terrorist unit! This is ragtag band of freelancers!
You magnificent bastards.
You went and made a Global Frequency episode."
Now, ten years ago, I'd have pined and sighed for What Could've Been, but... it appears I've cleared all the stages of premature cancellation grief.
So, thanks. That was great.
@Anonymous 8:41am
Regarding bombs:
Not all bombs create fire, in fact, very few bombs create fire, that is why there is a special name for bombs built to create fire, they are called "Incendiary bombs".
A typical bomb is a percussion/concussion instrument (grenade like), so you use these types of bombs for dispersal of fragments or shock or matter into the atmosphere.
So the writers were right that direct flame will change the consistency of an airborne pollutant. (as we know matter never goes away, it just changes)
I hope I have been helpful.
This is really my only question:
I like the show a lot but I can't help but think that it's nuts that the gang fucks with millionaires and billionaires and RUINS them on a daily basis and no one has decided to make an example out of them, as a preemptive strike. Considering how corporations seem to have so much influence in the government, I'm surprised the government hasn't been pursuing them more as well. I realize Hardison covers their tracks well but with enough funding (and this does seem like a good investment), shouldn't a CEO be able to find their location? If I were an unscrupulous CEO, I would hire someone to POSE as someone who needed their help, and use that person to get close to them and then completely screw each and every one of them over. I'm just surprised that hasn't happened yet and that they don't seem particularly concerned with how unbelievably dangerous their "jobs" are. Is this something you would ever address or are we just to assume that Hardison is too good for anyone to find their location? To which I would add, word of mouth travels fast. You wouldn't need a hacker to find them, people would be talking about them in Portland, telling their friends, "hey you got any problems? These people will help you FOR FREE!" and the local newspapers would be writing about them. Anyway, sorry I'm rambling. I know this show is light-hearted but I don't think what I'm talking about is any darker than the season 2 finale, so I'm wondering if this is anything you guys talk about in the writer's room. If so, what conclusions do you come to? IE- "yeah that's an interesting possibility" or "that doesn't really fit into the concept of our show", etc.
@Anonymous - 2:21pm
I totally concur, if you mess with predators they will bite back.
One of the first and most benign thing these companies would do is get a detective(s) to track down and identify these people, because unlike "Hustle" the TV show, where after a sting they hurry away from the scene of the crime, or plan the crime so they appear to be innocent/dead/there wasn't a crime. The Leverage Team tend to let their victims know who did what to them, and take a victory lap (which I never could understand)
So, these unscrupulous companies would have their names and pictures spread throughout the business community or hire a "fixer" to deal with them OR use their influence in getting the FBI/Treasury Service/NSA to track them or just arrest them under the "Rico Law".
Hustle is a different story, you might never know you have been conned, or if you even know it, it will be hard to put together the pieces or who was real and who was the thief. - Sorry Leverage, I love you but this standing around preening at the end seems weak to me, I would prefer that the victim goes off, for the rest of their lives wonders "WHAT HAPPENED!?"
Nice article, thanks for the information.
Thought I would make my way over here this time ;)
Regarding 'The Frame-Up Job', thanks on behalf of Nate/Sophie fans on a great episode :D
Since there was a running theme of trust throughout this episode, was wondering have Nate & Sophie put their trust issues aside, or will it rear it's ugly head again?
I noticed you hadn't yet got round to post-game on these eps so thought I'd sneak a question (or 3) in. After having just taken 3 days to read all 257 comments to check it wasn't there - how do you do it?!
I have to say, too, that I absolutely love this show and I'm incredibly miffed I only just found out about it (I'm in the UK - not my fault!). It did mean I got to watch 4.5 series in a little under 2 weeks. *cough*notobsessed*cough*
Having said that, season 5 is throwing up some outright stonking episodes. I'll stop gushing now and ask some questions...
1) Not that I want to get off the fun train, and I'm normally pretty good at coming up with explanations, but what triggered the trailer bomb? I can't accept it was timed to go off just after everyone runs away after the extremely cool car SOS. Didn't see any kind of pressure plate near the door set off by Vance. Perimeter sensor? Hidden in the grass to account for the 'getting the warrant we weren't going to bother with' delay, then timed to account for getting to the trailer and then the 'what's that car doing?' delay.
2) I loved Eliot's reaction when he found out the warning was in time. How much of that was scripted/improv/brilliant Kane acting?
3) In ep #505 (why not sneak another in?) how much of the Himalayan tree frog was scripted? Hilarious! Especially the sucker feet part. I'd happily have that on loop all day, and it still makes me laugh...
Oh, and thanks for the blog too; there's some fascinating insights here!
My Leverage "wish list":
I would like to see a form of the "Two Live Crew", with the Leverage team going up against the "Hustle" team.
I know that Hustle has ended, so that should make it easy to bring together Hustle's former actors.
We could have them in town to pull a scam, but the complication being that unknown to each other (until in the middle of the scam) they were trying to scam the same company/person/bad guy, and after realizing that, they become super competitive, trying to break each other scam, we then get to see Mickey and Nate go head-to-head in a double episode of tricks and cons.
So we would have:
Nate up against Mickey
Sofie up against Albie/Ash
Hardison up against Ash
Parker up against Stacie/Emma
Spencer up against Sean? (unfortunately there isn't counterpart for spencer on the Hustle team).
In addition sofie's loyalty is questioned because she had worked with the Hustle team back in London on a few stings, and especially when she gave away/bungled a Leverage team/Nate attempt to knock the Hustle team out of the game.
This would be/must be a two episode arc, where there would be a huge cliffhanger for episode#1, then episode#2 would be half closing the con(s) then the other half with flashbacks explaining the moves and the plans that brought them to the end of the con(s).
Have I totally gone off the deep end, or is this possible?
@Natalie,
Hi Natalie, welcome to "The Leverage Obsession Club".
Regarding the bomb at the trailer, I am sure you will get an answer from the writers about it.
I would just like to add my real life scenario two-bit.
The motion detector that you can buy at a hardware store, then mount at the side of your house, can with a slight modification become an activator (instead of turning on the light bulb it closes a circuit) for a bomb with a delayed timer (giving an estimated time delay for them to enter trailer)before blowing up. It's the simplest way.
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Regarding my earlier comments about the Leverage and Hustle team competing. Would there be a licensing issue, that would prevent that?
Thanks,
Seth
@Seth - thanks for the welcome, I finally got my membership card yesterday!
Oh, and I thought of another question. 4) Was the monster spy truck another cunningly disguised shout out to Dr Who? I swear it didn't look that big from the outside...
@Natalie,
You are very welcome :D
During the hiatus periods this the blog becomes a bit quiet, so it's always good to seen new folks stop by.
Regarding the "Spy truck", I totally agree that it has the Tardis effect of looking bigger once inside.
Regards,
Seth
@Natalie,
Sorry about the horrible English in my earlier reply, I came home after doing a 48+ hours shift and then made the mistake of thinking I could respond coherently to you and a few others.
My apology,
Seth
How come with all the names in the world, both Hardison and Sophie use McAllister as an alias? Is that just a coincidence? Or is the big reveal this season that everyone on the team is secretly Scottish?
@ Anon 2:39
Leverage vs. NCIS? Hmm...Eliot and Ziva, Eliot and Gibbs, Nate and Gibbs...and the combination of Abby, Hardison, and Parker? My mind is blown. This must happen. In the meantime, I shall scour the internet for fanfiction. As for your question, I think the Leverage team would get away with it, but Ziva would kick Eliot's ass so very badly.
You wouldn't happen to know the answer to this age-old question, would you?:
If cavemen and astronauts got into a fight, who would win?
So, both episodes were super great and thank you TNT for changing the order so The Rundown Job aired first because that one was darker and scarier as far as concept goes. Good move on their part to have the lighter episode end the mid-way point of the season on a happy note. They both definitely shouted spin-off pilots but they had the movie vibe to them also. Which leads to my very important question.
If/When (Because it is Hollywood and Ateam, Get Smart, and Mission Impossible have all done it) Leverage is made into a movie, what would you like to see done with it? Are there a list of requirements you have that need to be done? Is it just something as simple as "I want them to love it"? Dream plot? Thoughts?
Thanks,
Zee-Zee
These two episodes were absolutely amazing and thank you TNT for changing the scheduled showing so the Frame-Up Job followed the Rundown Job because the mid-season finale needed to end on a high note. Now, on a semi-related question.
If/When (Because Hollywood has already done A-team, Mission Impossible and Get Smart) Leverage is made into a movie, what would you like to see from it? Are there certain requirements you have? Are there things you wish to see that you can't financially pull off on a T.V. budget? Would you just say no? What are your thoughts?
Thanks,
Zee-Zee
Regarding The Rundown Job: OK, I've tried to wrap my head around this, but I just can't. I've tried to explain it away but there isn't any explanation.
Fot four seasons, we've watched Eliot Spencer take the gun away from a bad guy and immediately empty the chamber to take the weapon out of the equation, including the weapons he used himself at the end of the fight in The Big Bang Job. And we're supposed to believe that this particular time, he completely neglects to disable Dr. Udall's gun? Not only that, he throws the loaded firearm across the subway car AND ends up taking a second bullet because he pays so little attention that the bad guy gets his hands on the loaded gun again?
I didn't buy it, and I don't believe it.
Regarding The Rundown Job: OK, I've tried to wrap my head around this, but I just can't. I've tried to explain it away but there isn't any explanation.
Fot four seasons, we've watched Eliot Spencer take the gun away from a bad guy and immediately empty the chamber to take the weapon out of the equation, including the weapons he used himself at the end of the fight in The Big Bang Job. And we're supposed to believe that this particular time, he completely neglects to disable Dr. Udall's gun? Not only that, he throws the loaded firearm across the subway car AND ends up taking a second bullet because he pays so little attention that the bad guy gets his hands on the loaded gun again?
I didn't buy it, and I don't believe it.
@Trilby
For four seasons, we've watched Eliot not getting shot at the end of the fight.
I guess a bullet in his shoulder could be a mitigating circumstance.
You didn't watch carefully enough - he threw the gun when he staggered and barely stayed upright, and Hardison was the one who pushed it away across the subway, out of Eliots reach.
Besides, they had cca one minute to deal with the bomb, that threat was clear and present.
In general, you're right - I would like to see him emptying the gun - Udall could easily, in one second, put the magazine back :D But I don't see that as a giant mistake as you obviously do :D
@ Daniel Quinn,
I don't have any way of rewatching the episode, but I'll take on faith that Hardison shoved the gun out of reach just as you said. That makes it a less egregious break in character, but it still really bothers me that they let the Bad Guy get his hands on the loaded weapon again.
They're better than that. I'm just sayin'.
I was wondering who came up with the idea of having the audience "see" Hardison at work, like with the schematics of the vault and Vance's car. It kinda reminded me of Sherlock's mind palace in "The Hounds of Baskerville." Slick and stylish.
Love the choreography/movement between Christian, Aldis, and Beth when they were at Dr. Udall's front door. How many times did they run through that? Were some parts by Beth's double or was that all Riesgraf? Awesome.
"The Frame-Up Job"
Congrats on the Doctor Who-iest episode yet: 1) "Spoilers"; 2) Mark Sheppard annoyed by a flirty know-it-all couple; 3) and, of course, Agents Tennant and Smith.
My only actual question is Who is your Doctor?
As much as we love Sophie, there's no one cooler than the unresolveable Mark Sheppard. If he's Smith, the Eleventh Doctor is the best.
I know that you've already answered questions for 5x10, but I'm still going to post one for 5x09 on the off chance that you catch it. Something about 5x09 (the copious amounts of competence porn, the bright and shiny new haircuts, I can't remember what else,) almost felt like it was suppose to open up the summer half. Was it ever slated to? (I remember the other thing, I counted the episode that had the long hair vs. the short and it came up to two, implying that they could have been reversed.) Just wondering!
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Salah satu Penyakit Menular Seksual (PMS) adalah Penyakit Kutil Kelamin. Banyak orang yang belum tahu apa itu penyakit kutil kelamin dan cara mengatasinya. Berikut pertanyaan yang sering diajukan untuk mengenal lebih jauh Penyakit Kutil Kelamin.
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Penyakit ini umumnya muncul karena penderita mengejan terlalu keras pada saat buang air besar. Dengan mengejan terlalu keras, maka pembuluh darah di sekitar anus dapat melebar dan pecah menimbulkan infeksi dan pembengkakan yang berakhir pada masalah wasir atau ambeien tersebut.
Penderita Penyakit kondiloma atau Kutil Kelamin yang telah terinveksi disarankan untuk segera melakukan pengobatan secepat mungkin sebelum Virus HPV penyebab kutil kelamin makin banyak berkembang biak di dalam sel darah makin lama dibiarkan akan memperparah kondisi organ vital karena kutil kelamin akan terus membesar sehingga terlihat seperti jengger ayam untuk penderita yang baru tertular kurang dari satu bulan biasanya akan lebih cepat ditanggulangi obat kutil kelamin Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatkutildikemaluan.blogdetik.com/ untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil pada kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" AlamiAdalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.
salah satu cara yang efektif untuk menghilangkan kutil yang tumbuh di vagina adalah dengan obat herbal denture indonesia.Obat yang mamapu menghilangkan kutil sampai akar akarnya.Obat herbal denature penghilang kutil kelamin aman untuk organ kewanitaan karna obat herbal denature terbuat dari bahan herbal pilihan.
Kutil pada alat kelamin luar bisa diangkat melalui laser, krioterapi (pembekuan) atau pembedahan dengan bius lokal. Pengobatan kimiawi, seperti podofilum resin atau racun yang dimurnikan atau asam trikloroasetat, bisa dioleskan langsung pada kutil. Tetapi pengobatan ini memerlukan waktu beberapa minggu sampai beberapa bulan, bisa melukai kulit di sekelilingnya dan sering gatal.
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Organ vital atau organ reproduksi manusia merupakan bagian tubuh yang sangat penting untuk menopang kehidupan. Dengan organ ini manusia dapat melanjutkan keturunannya,
cara yang alami menyembuhkan penyakit wasir ambeien secara alami dengan menggunakan daun ungu serta mahkotadewa aman untuk ibu hamil tanpa operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat wasir herbal ambeclear terbuat
wasir ambeien bisa sembuh tanpa harus di operasi maupun injeksi cukup dengan obat wasir ambeien herbal ambeclear herbal de nature dari daun ungu serta mahkotadewa aman untuk ibu hamil
Bagi anda yang sedang mencari obat herbal buat kencing nanah atau gonore, kami sarankan untuk memilih obat herba dari De Nature dengan nama Gang jie dan Gho Siah sebagai pengobatan alternatif tradisional alami untuk kencing nanah atau gonore.
Berapa Harga untuk Obat Wasir Ambeien alami daun ungu Ambeclear – Ambeien adalah gangguan atau penyakit yang terjadi pada saluran pencernaan manusia
Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kutil kelamin ini. Intinya, karena kutil ini muncul di daerah yang sensitif, maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada kulit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional. Sebab dokter akan menjadi sumber informasi yang baik untuk mengobati penyakit ini.
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Sekitar Vagina Tumbuh Daging, Berbahayakah? Kutil Pada Kepala Penis mirip bunga kol atau jengger ayam, Merupakan Penyakit Yang diakibatkan Oleh Virus.Kutil kelamin, atau disebut juga condyloma acuminata, adalah kutil atau daging berwarna kulit atau keabuan yang tumbuh di sekitar alat kelamin dan
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penyakit yang ditularkan melalui hubungan seks : vaginal, oral dan anal. Juga dapat menular melalui persentuhan kulit dengan daerah yang terinfeksi.
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