I own a copy of "Dreamnasium". Can I get it autographed by Geoffrey Thorne? I hear you may know him. It would have a place of honor next to my autographed Leverage mug. Looking forward to the Leverage version of Clue!
Okay, I understand the reason for the Ellery Queen reference, and it was nice and all -- but I would have loved it SO much more if Nate had been dressed as Archie Goodwin!! At least tell me there's going to be a Nero Wolfe reference at some point!
Given the "Sorry I haven't been around post", Nate's we never get to the end of evil rich white guys.. and Hardison's "Don't bring up a problem...." scene.
More of a general question, since the ep just started, but how much instruction/planning does Nate handle when sending the team out on a straight out job? Is it like, "Parker, Eliot, break into the records room," or is it, "Eliot, you will be the janitor. Parker will hide in the garbage can. You will do [this], go [here], singnal [this way]. Eliot will cover Parker while she does [this], and give [this] as a signal if there is a problem..."? I'm thinking it's more the first but Nate is such a control freak, you never know.
I'm surprised with a title like this you don't have an Agatha Christie detective anywhere, or did I miss it? (admittedly, I don't recognize a lot of the names they are throwing around).
The police officer said Nate was arrested 5 years ago for doing something to IYS...this related to Sam's death?
Also, aside from Beck being a corrput CEO why did this case particularly get to Nate so much we got a glimpse of it when he was talking to Sophie, is he having like a moment of "why do we keep doing this" or "why is there so much evil"?
Timothy Hutton playing Nate Ford dressed as Ellery Queen who was played by Jim Hutton! And Sophie dressed as Irene Adler! Total geekgasm, there.
Did I miss how they got off the island? After Eliot's insistence that there was no way off?
I can't believe anyone thought Nate killed him! Killing Beck would have messed up a simple grab-and-get-out scheme, and left him trapped on an island with his victim. Even if Nate meant to kill someone, he wouldn't have done it so stupidly as that. Besides, Nate wants the bad guys punished, not dead.
Eliot seems to be especially put out with Nate this season. What's up?
With the way Elliot has been treating Nate, albeit in only 2 episodes, it seems like Elliot knew what happened in San Lorenzo or he's having problems with what he had to do in "Big Bang Job".
Also Sophie broke character again, in a room full people they were conning.
Hardison as Encyclopedia Brown was hilarious! I also would have loved to see Mr. Hutton as Archie again, but I assume there was some legal problem with that, or that Nate wasn't in the mood for a costume that looked like a costume.
I guessed the same as Bill Reed -- 3rd Doctor?
Question: How many times is Nate going to hit bottom before he cleans up? He touches on the possible root of his problems in #401 (when he warns the client about revenge), so he appears to be aware that there IS a problem -- but that obviously doesn't mean he can fix it. Or will. Will he?
Right, i've got to ask. A while back, you said that Eliot hasn't killed on screen. So was the Butcher of Kiev just knocked out? Same for Quinn (Was the the dude in the Series 1 penultimate ep?)? Because i'd have assumed that Eliot would have just gotten rid of him, especially as that was Quinn's job... Fantastic show, by the way! Love the cast and i love how the team all eat together again. But wait, Nate expresses surprise at the end of 4.01 - so have i got the assumption that during S3 they ate together? Or did they just not in the gap between 3.16 and 4.1?
Whoa whoa whoa, Nate got arrested for threatening Blackwell before the team formed? That's interesting. Is that just a little tidbit to show us how far down Nate had gotten back then, or something we'll hear more about in the future or both?
Also, did the team really think Nate might have killed the guy? Don't they know him better than that by now?
Fun little ep - loved the costumes and the passageways, and I also like the way you guys have mixed up the standard intro so we don't always see the victim being victimized straight from the start.
It seems like Eliot's more annoyed with Nate this season than normal. He seems to be more fed up with things going wrong in the cons due to the fact Nate didn't listen to him. Hardison and Parker seem to be pointing out his past mistakes as well. I have to say it would be nice to have a con go right from start to finish a little more often. I love the show but I didn't love this episode.
I don't know that Eliot had an abnormal level of problem with Nate in this one, so much as Nate was making Eliot's job of protecting Nate and the others much harder by staying and not fleeing.
Has Eliot really been more annoyed at Nate than usual? One of the things he usually does is call Nate when Nate starts taking risks, so the past two eps didn't strike me as all that much out of character.
By the way, loved the Parker subtitle moment. Her pantomime of stealing the guy's hate was awesome.
I had a suspicion when I saw a certain actors name in the credits. I thought "Oh, that's the guy who shot Captain Mal in 'Out of Gas'!" (Geek reference - "Firefly")
I thought he might be the bad guy but when he was introduced as one of the good guys I was thrown off for a bit.
@IMForeman and alleyone, re: Eliot's annoyance, there was also the fact that Eliot had told Nate he'd need more time to plan their way off the island, which Nate disregarded.
Eliot always gets annoyed when Nate makes his job harder, going all the way back to S1, the "Snow Job," when he threatened Nate in that hotel room.
I really enjoyed this ep. It's always fun watching the team have to adapt when things go wrong. And I enjoyed trying to identify the background guests.
Oh, like someone else above, I kinda went "huh?" at the mention of Nate's arrest five years ago. We didn't know that, did we?
Would've been great to have Nate as Archie Goodwin but I assume Timothy Hutton requested the Ellery Queen homage in tribute to his late father who played the role.
So the coms work on airplanes and throughout the rooms of the mansion, but don't go through the plaster/wood lath of the secret passages? Hmmm. And why blueprints (no one has used them for years)? Just for dramatic effect? Or is he such a bad contractor that he doesn't use computers or CAD?
Loved, loved, loved Nate as Ellery Queen! I was a huge fan when I was a kid, and Hutton looked so much like his dad in that hat!
It seems Nate is more and more trying to do everybody else's jobs while having a harder and harder time doing his own. How close is he going to get to finding himself a one-man show?
And have you used that office building before? The Reunion Job, maybe? Or do tall lobbies with lots of glass just make excellent places to shoot?
I presume that having Nate sit in a room by himself and solve the murder while everyone else ran around was a Nero Wolfe reference. But was leaving out a more explicit hat tip to that series something that you did happily, regretfully, or some other adverb?
Hardison a Hardy boy? HILARIOUS! Loved Parker and Nate's mimed scene too! Quite an amusing episode, and clever plot, but I wasn't quite clear about a few things :
1.Who was in on the plan? The cop, daughter and 'lug', or just the daughter and cop?
2. How on earth did she convince him to help her murder her father? Riches? Should we just accept that he's a man with his own back-story that's made him the murderous, dirty cop he is today?
3. Or was he just sick of drawing the short straw ;)
And my random, silly question :
4. Parker believed Nate right away, Eliot didn't quite and Sophie and Hardison were in between. Does this reflect their trust in Nate, or do they believe Nate, especially drunk Nate is capable of anything?
I'm not surprised Eliot had expressed doubts. That's his job. But the others? Hm. Didn't think it was that bad...or was it that the others were non-commital about it and Eliot was the one who was so ambiguous about it.....
I love the genre/atmosphere of this eppy and it was lovely to see Tim playing Ellery Queen in honour of his father.
It seems with these first two episodes that Sophie is saving the day for Nate..in subsequent episodes Nate has got himself in a tight spot and Sophie is the one to pull him out..
Emotional scene with Nate/Sophie at the end..That end scene was a complexity of emotions going on with both of them, both of them hurting in a way. How did that scene come about? and will those words be left to ponder between them in episodes to come. Personally they need to be locked in a cupboard and get it all out in the open Lol.
Great performances by the cast, especially Tim & Gina at the end. Can't wait for the next episode and great start to Season 4 :D
My take on it was that Parker believes that Nate is capable of killing but that she thinks he would be honest about it, so if he said he didn't do it, he didn't do it.
For the others, I think that they're not as sure that he's capable and also not as sure in his honesty - more of a "could he have done it?" and "maybe if he did, he wouldn't want to admit it to us".
The large house/ mansion Parker was referring to in the Phil. was it Imelda Marcos'?:)) And I'd like to congratulate you for the successful awesome ep. though I felt quite unsatisfied with the Nate and Sophie thing.,, mind telling us if they're gonna grow into more than what they are(the a little more than friends who went to bed together)? I mean yes its obvious that they have feelings for each other, which is quite something that many of us fans love.. so I really how they grow into something much more than what i described. I hope Nate gets his act together, to satisfy the NATE AND SOPHIE fans..
Lovely episode, absolutely loved it! You guys are rockin' it so far (and I say so far b/c of some season 3 eps).
On another note, although I like older men I'm usually not into older women, so I'm usually not all "Oh Sophie looks awesome!" However, that last scene w/her and Nate in the bar, Gina looked AMAZING! Loved it! Especially since it wasn't a getup for a job. She's just everyday-sexy.
Well, nice ep. The last one (4-01) was not the best. This one is better. But still not on top of the game ... I hope for improvement but season just started.
Our TV receiver had a spasm 5 minutes before the end of the episode, so I had to wait until the second broadcast to see the end. Cruel, cruel technology. Anyway, so I saw MOST of it twice and have twice as much blathering to do about it.
Assume the usual praise and compliments. Honestly, I felt a little shaky about this one going in, but by the halfway point I was hooked, and in the end you had me.
Wow, big steps in this one. With the discovery last episode that they are being bugged/watched, I'm guessing Nate feels a touch more out of control than he can accept (again, but that sort of thing really never completely goes away, does it?), despite the progress he made in season 3. And it's well established that Nate Is Not A Nice Guy with his crew, so, yeah, that they thought he was capable of murder didn't really shock me (I mean, he stabbed a guy without much trouble, even if it was to save his life. He very nearly got his own father killed, and he didn't even have much trouble holding a gun on Blackpool, so, yeah, it's always been a possibility. He just had more reasons NOT to kill people, and enough control over his anger) but I am KINDA surprised that Elliot didn't discount him as the murderer after he'd determined the manner of the death. Breaking a neck is not easy and to do it quickly takes some skill (Elliot should know).
I'm also looking forward to Nate and Elliot having that long talk. It seems that the subject is ostensibly about Nate not letting Elliot do his job and endangering the team, but I can't think that's the real issue. Nate and Sophie have worked out several of their problems, but Nate and Elliot (at least in my mind) have had a problem -- a rather raw one, one neither of them is perhaps in any way prepared for. Maybe they aren't even prepared to be aware of it. But two rival gunslingers who know each other as well as Eliot and Nate, who both have a concern about protecting this "family" not only against the outside but against themselves and what they have inside, what they have done, what they are capable of doing.
Yeah, Nate and Elliot need to resolve, to put it simply, whether or not they are friends. It all goes back to the pool table.
Anyway -- tagged the daughter as involved as soon as she accused Nate because, hell, why would the murderer step up to the balcony and look down at so many witnesses? But the lug surprised me. Didn't tag the cop until he handcuffed Sophie.
Ok, another "there's a question in here somewhere" -- Haridson. Now, Parker takes a lot of her emotional cues from Hardison and Sophie, but she's never really had a problem with Nate, but Hardison has shown he DOES have some, and they are growing, and they remind me ever so much of the problems Nate has with his own father. I am going back to the Scheherazade Job with this and the subsequent "mind games" Nate is playing -- to shape Hardison into another mastermind? I mean, Jimmy was trying to make Nate in his own ruthless, hard-assed, mean, tough image but he started in on a small child and did damage. Hardison, for all his hacking ways and his bitching/whining, is emotionally pretty resilient. I don't think he sees it that Nate IS teaching him (yet) and that the father/son vibe is taking on solid echoes of the Jimmy/Nate one.
You know, of course, as a writer, that when you can get your audience thinking this much and this long about what you've written, you've done a proper good job, yes?
Last question this round -- this is one of the first out-and-out whodunits I can recall in the show (I think it might be the first one ever). Does it contain any bits from that mystery novel you once remarked you tried to write?
I wish you'd offer writing workshops (in your ever so copious free time, of course). I'd seriously consider pawning some jewelry to attend.
He was a little oversensitive with Elliot, too. "If you killed him" is not an expression of doubt, it's the predicate clause of an if-then statement: If Nate killed him, it follows that Y is true.
And even when they might be wondering if Nate killed him, they didn't abandon him. If anything, I think Nate would be bothered by their acceptance of him, even as a possible killer.
Elliot's annoyance is that Nate is standing in the way of his mission to keep the team safe.
I think what's bothering Eliot is that for the two part season finale last season, he had some autonomy or freedom in his actions within the team, and he probably thinks after that his role within the team now would be more on level footing with Nate. But he's back to being ordered around by Nate and he's not liking it. If the Leverage team is a family, then it's as if Nate gave Eliot the keys to the car on a Friday night but come Saturday morning, Eliot has to clean his room and take out the trash. Growing pains.
My wife and I had a good laugh at Hardison in the Oscars with Halle Berry. Do I take it you are implying Hardison rigged the Oscars so that Halle Berry can win?:) I can believe that...
Quick canon question, has Nate killed before? As an insurance cop (a justified one of course, he was an honest man back then) or in self defence for example. Or has he only killed by proxy via Eliot's actions in The Big Bang Job.
And if he hasn't killed anyone yet is the day approaching when he might have to or might choose to?
@Miranda, I don't see Eliot's irritation as an autonomy issue. He has pretty much the same amount as he's always had. And if he seemed tohave more in Big Bang Job, it was simply because he withheld some very important details from the team.
I think he's pissed because Nate just won't listen to him. The team's security is Eliot's responsibility. Finding a way off that island was his responsibility. And Nate keeps making his job more difficult, if not downright impossible.
Eliot doesn't have a problem with taking orders from Nate; as a former soldier, he's clearly very comfortable with a command structure. What he does have a problem with is Nate giving him these resposnibilities and then making it impossible for him to carry them out. And then piling more on him.
For instance, when Nate told Hardison, "it's Eliot's job to find Parker," I expected Eliot to ask when, exactly, babysitting had become his job, too. By that point, he was probably ready to chew through wire.
Who was exactly from the Pinkertons was Elliot supposed to be? Are tired of answering the people who wanted Nate to be Archie? Could you ever write a Leverage Stage play? Any little tips from aspiring writers?
Okay, i admit my suggestion about making Sophie's real last name Adler was a bit twee and precious, but that she went to the costume party as the redoubtable Ms. Adler made me giggle and snort Mountain Dew.
Also: I may not be a high class grifter, but i do keep a handcuff key on my regular key ring.(Just in case, mind you.) I can't believe for a second that cuffs would stop Sophie for very long.
@VideoBeagle: Remember, Ray called Interpol, and although there may be no official record, I can't imagine that Sterling would miss a chance to stick a spoke in Nate's wheels. I imagine the interpol call center has a picture of Nate on it's wall.
Also: Re-watched a certain show that i'm not supposed to have on my hard drive. Still pushing for Michele Forbes as some hard core spy looking to collect a favor from Sophie and Tara, and is, incidentally, one of the few women on earth who scares the hell out of both of them. "Is that your real name?" "It's the only one your getting." It'd also be cool if Sterling wanders into the middle of it, finds out she's involved and decides he needs to be elsewhere...Fast.
Just something that's been bothering me - Hardison was so hurt that Eliot left him to drown for such a long time in 3.15, how does he get over that and start working with him again, let alone hug him?! Does Eliot see Hardison as a true friend?
I just wanted to thank you so much for doing this. I don't have a question as I live in New Zealand and only see Leverage once I have ordered the dvds so I am well behind, but I love the show and how fan friendly you all are
Great episode, not in my top five, but still great episode. Wow, MAJOR props to Nadine, she did an amazing job with all the costumes!
Questions: 1. Did Tim ask to play Ellery Queen, or was that the brilliance of the writers at work? 2. Do you have a Guinness, as you do for the commentary, when you’re typing up the answers to our numerous questions? Are you ever surprised by some of the theories we come up with? 3. (S3 question - I sincerely apologize for not thinking of it at the time, but this has been bugging the hell out of me). Where did the character name/alias Dr. Wes Abernathy come from, was it inspired by the Abernathy bridge (which just so happens to be a mile or so upriver from where the Ice Man Job was filmed)?
Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to do this!
First of all, and unrelated to the episode - may I confess I am truly, madly, deeply in love with you? For this: Hardison researched it, but when he discovered the baby's name is "Ftaghn", he decided to let it go. as well as general intellectual badassery (age of the geek, baby...) and book recommendations - Suarez left me speechless, I fell in love with Takeshi Kovacs world after the first three paragraphs, loved the Fireflyish spirit of Chris Wooding. Translated Man was THE discovery - long time since I've seen a piece of truly original fiction. Please tell me you didn't get completely buried in RPG and still DO read stuff? Pls to share? You read better stuff than I do…
As for the episode: fabulous. Loved the Ellery Queen reference (a big fan of the books), Irene Adler was perfect for Sophie and no-one could be better for Eliot than Charlie Siringo... the Real Deal Man.
One thing surprised me, though: Eliot's sudden problem with grifting. I mean, you said yourself, he's the second best grifter in the team after Sophie. He did use the skill a number of times already - The Snow Job, The Tap Out Job - so how come he's suddenly so uncomfortable with it and needs to "adjust"? He forgot he knew how-to?
As for Eliot's sudden problem with Nate, am I wrong to connect it to Nate's drinking again? Nate drunk = unpredictable = a liability = may cost Eliot/others their lives. Which Eliot feels responsible for. Only natural to be upset. BTW I loved how Eliot accepted Nate-as-murderer possibility as a simple fact of life and didn't seem to mind in the least, LOL.
Thanks for the great episode, waiting for the next one!
Captcha: whailing. A wail of truly epic proportions....
1- Why did Parker know about dimensions and architecture?
2- Does Hardison ALWAYS carry a laptop (plus multiple cables, his smartphone, etc...) around?
3- I've always noticed that every little thing you see during the episodes is important to understand the con and the result of it (for example when Parker goes into the kitchen where the mark's daughter is making out with the guy). My question is: How do you come up with everything so that it fits perfectly?
Congratulations on this last episode, it was great. And lots of support from Spain, I watch the show whenever I get the chance to do so! :)
again with the Kansas mention... although this time it wasn't such a negative context. seriously, is kansas the hollywood word for "the ninth circle of hell out in the middle of forking nowhere"?
One of the anonymi hinted at it earlier, but I need to ask: Is the title of this episode an homage to Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None"/"Ten Little Indians"? And if so, was it just because the team is trapped on an island with murder being committed, or is there another obvious association that I'm missing
Question: Might there be some Eliot-related fisticuffs coming soon? I really dig the fights, mocha or no.
Enjoyable episode. Things kept pulling me out of the moment, tho, like the nod to Jim H's "Ellery Queen", the early reveal of the baddie (can't imagine that it wasn't meant to be obvious), and, seriously, an Amy Camus reference? That struck me as very off-the-grid but I suppose she was a bit of a grifter herself, *g*.
I missed something big. Nate figured out who the killers were, but in the end, he had no evidence. How could Captain Bonano even arrest the detective based solely on what he surely put in his report as an anonymous tip? There was nothing linking the cop to the murder other than Nate seeing "something shiny" and hearing cloth rip during the struggle on the balcony.
Great job on this episode! No, seriously, you cannot possibly understand how much I love the idea behind this. I cannot even wax lyrical about how much I love this, because it would quite possibly crash either your site or my computer. A rewatch is definitely in order for a game of "spot the mystery references" (I need to find the McGann, McCoy and Baker IMForeman mentioned)!
Okay, for some more focused gushing/comments: 1) I'm kind of ashamed that I had to google this week's aliases (which is currently standard practice if I don't immediately recognize them), but oh my, it was worth it to see their alias-picking technique come back to bite them!
2) HARDISON. Between the Oscars and actually knocking a guy out, he is the hands down winner of tonight's Fist Pump Award for Being Awesome. No contest.
3) Favorite cameo of the night: Steed and Emma Peel. I wish Columbo and Miss Marple could've been there, but as things go, Steed and Peel's second appearance in the series pretty much made up for it!
4) AUGH I said I wouldn't go on about it, but I love love LOVE this idea! Everything from the costumes to the secret passageways to the references to the murder mystery was absolutely perfect!
And questions: 1) Did Sophie have a method in picking everyone's costumes? Or, at least, did the writers have a method beyond "this costume would be the most funny/awesome/heartwarming"?
2) Does Parker usually hear mystery music while wandering through secret passageways?
3) LOVED the subtitled bit... reminded me a lot of Hustle. Who came up with that gag?
4) While we're on the subject of Hustle, I know you're really only a fan of the first season, but how many of your writers would kill for a crossover, or at least Adrian Lester as a guest star? Out of idle curiosity, if it were the Leverage team vs Hustle, who do you think would win?
As soon as we saw murder mystery party, my husband and I had bets if Timothy Hutton would be Ellery Queen or Archie Goodwin. Thanks for that.
All of my questions have been asked by others.
Just wanted to say great to see Leverage back on TV and 18 episodes this series! (yeah it's a heck of a lot more work for your crew, but man do I love watching it!)
With the theme of this episode being "famous detectives" and the influence of Boston on the series, I was expecting someone to show up as Robert B. Parker's famous detective Spenser, especially considering the author's recent passing and the imminent publishing of his final novel. Was there a creative reason there was no Spenser, or did you have problems clearing the rights, or did everyone in the writer's room just forget?
Also, since you're an avid roleplayer, I've been dying to know since I got turned onto Leverage, did you ever play Shadowrun? What made me fall in love with the pilot episode was just after the scene in the warehouse. I literally stood up and started yelling "THIS IS A SHADOWRUN STORY!!" Johnson hires a team, team does the job, Johnson betrays the team, team gets revenge on Johnson. Eliot = Street Sam, Hardison = Decker , Parker = B&E, Sophie = Face, and Nate = Mage (What? Some of the crap he does has to be magic!)
This is really more for the last episode, I suppose, but I think its more of a general season 3/4 question:
So obviously Nate forgot Sophie's name and will have to dig himself out of that hole AGAIN. So now that she's told everyone (even if one special person has forgotten) the question becomes 1. will we ever ACTUALLY hear her real name spoken on screen? 2. If so, will it be this season? 3. Why was the decision made to keep Sophie's real name a mystery after toying with us for a full season...longer, in fact. Remember, Sterling called her "Jenny" mysteriously back in Season One. Will THAT ever be explained? Sheesh.
Just finished the episode! And being a huge [i]Nero Wolfe[/i] fan, I believe I caught a number of references. Perhaps you could confirm whether I'm right?
Here goes nothin'!
1. Nathan conducted the investigation from the office in the same way Nero did.
2. In doing so, Elliot was essentially playing the role of Archie by doing the legwork.
3. Sophie had what appeared to be an orchid on her hat, Nero's favorite flower that cultivated in a greenhouse atop his brownstone. Along with the various shots of flowers either in the foreground or background in one form or another.
4. Perhaps the most overt reference was the extensive use of yellow in virtually every shot of the episode (Nero's favorite color was yellow and he typically surrounded himself with it). Seriously, it's everywhere.
There could've been some other nods (Nate and Sophie's dancing with the zoot-suited jazz band [and being interrupted as was prone to happen to Archie when he was on dates], the Art Deco stylings, color aside in the office resembled Nero's, etc) but those were more generalized than the above.
Nathan Ford in the library with a wrench. Awesome Clue reference!
I liked this ep - a lot of fun, and I'm glad to see you guys playing with the formula. I've seen some complaints about it being too light, but I wonder if that's almost not because it followed such an emotionally intense premiere. This ep after, say, the Jailhouse Job or Beantown Bailout Job would not have seemed so light I'm guessing.
Add me to the list who didn't see Eliot as being abnormally pissed. Eliot is a bitchy dude. That's his shtick. He bitches at everyone when they piss him off, and the thing Nate does that pisses him off is take risks. If anything, I thought he was less pissy/growly than usual in the room with the body when he was angry that Nate wanted to continue with the con.
I also don't think Nate was as upset about the team maybe thinking he committed murder as he was questioning himself - as usual Sophie sees right through him.
Questions: is it right to assume that Nate, after having his epiphany about anger last week and learning that they are targets from some unknown source is now feeling particularly introspective about why they do this and what he's become in the course of doing this?
Was Nate testing Eliot to see how he would grift on the fly to find out information, as opposed to - say - distracting someone or getting access to an off limits area (which he has done a lot)?
Would Sophie have dressed Nate as Sherlock if given the chance?
Will we ever see flashbacks to Nate/Eliot working together in the past?
And, most importantly, I know you've said the show has less than a 100 ep lifespan. Will you tell us if your goal is to have 6 or 7 seasons ? (Of course what I'm really getting at is please tell us you don't see the show going only one more season!)
First, great job, as always. The episode was immensely entertaining. :) Also, HUGE, mad props to Nadine. Second, holy Eliot v. Nate hatred, Batman. I'm honestly shocked that Eliot hasn't straight-up knocked Nate upside the head already. He should. Third, I loved the myriad of references. As someone much wittier said before me, *geekgasm*. Fourth, my one and only question: is one of the consequences related to the fact that everyone seems extremely comfortable? What I mean is this: with the exception being Nate, the team trusts in the fact that Hardison will hack, Parker will steal, Eliot will beat booty, and Sophie will grift. Granted, the majority of this trust would come from working together for a number of years, but it seems a little too perfect from here.... Or am I reading way, way too far into it? P.S. Thanks for all this. :)
Though Wikipedia says that an MSP Captain may be appointed to the rank of "Detective Captain", something Bonanno no doubt deserves.
Unlike Taggart and McSweeten, whose success in the FBI seems to be mostly collateral damage from Leverage cons, Bonanno gets called when they need someone competent and moderately powerful in law enforcement that they can deal with.
I loved Hardison as a Hardy Boy, although I think he could've gotten away with being Ned. It's interesting you chose that series, considering how much racism there was in the early books. African Americans were not portrayed in a positive light.
Also, perhaps it's because I was watching the San Lorenzo Job before the new ep, but I immediately twigged onto the killer because it was the same set-up in both episodes, with the 'current time' in the opening and then the flashback afterwards.
I do feel like a lot of tension is building in the team. Nate is a land mine waiting to be stepped on and Sophie & Eliot are getting frustrated with his insistence on not being disarmed. Are we going to see an explosion at some point?
The book theme in this ep made me curious. Will we ever see a ep set in a library or college? Also, what about retail establishments? With all the troubles with the chains (I'm thinking specifically of Borders, right now), the store employees are getting screwed right and left.
And finally, Bing? Really? This is Hardison's go-to search engine? I guess Google doesn't really feel the need to advertise...
This episode kinda ended funny for me. Could you go over what happened to Eliot at the end one more time please? It seems like we say him check for rips in the guy's jacket and then nothing more after that. I know when Nate, Parker, and Hardison were running for their lives in the secret passage way Nate says "Eliot we need that exit plan NOW!" but Eliot doesn't respond.
It almost seems like Christian missed a few days of filming. Was this because of his schedule or was this just how the episode was written?
@evening-shadow You make an interesting observation regarding the Hardy Boys (and to some degree, Nancy Drew as well). Ironically, the episode's writer is African-American.
John, let me add my thanks to those already offered. Nothing like an extended absence to really make your work with the blog appreciated. Maybe the best way to handle 315/316, when you get there, is in a couple chunks?
@ Ms Sunshine 1- Why did Parker know about dimensions and architecture?
My read on that is Parker just groks buildings and has cased enough places with enough variation in styles and architectural periods that she has internalized what to expect. In this case, it is "quite distinctive" for a rambling Victorian mansion to have hallways of X size, while this hallway is X-20%
We've seen her powers of observation when she has cased banks for the hell of it, done a recon of the gallery in 2nd David and elsewhere, she GETS physical layouts like Sophie gets people, and Eliot gets applied and targeted violence, and Hardison gets bytes
This isn't episode related and I know TNT has aired episodes different from filmed, but in my TV listings it says "The Van Gogh Job" is going to air the 17th.
First off is that true and second will airing it 4th instead of 5th mess up anything story-wise?
@Video Beagle, I assumed it wasn't Interpol but rather Unterpol, the underground villain anti-police network run by Chaos, who answers those kinds of questions for $1,000 a pop.
Observation: The number of dead bodies the team members are spending time with is starting to add up quickly.
Assumptions: 1. A few people have mentioned (and seemed surprised about) Nate having a record, I'm guessing mostly because the Italian promised to wipe his slate clean. My understanding of their deal was that only the stuff he has done since becoming a theif, escaping from prison and helping her last season was what she wiped out; not anything from his life before that. 2. Eliot wasn't anymore angry with Nate than he usually is when he feels Nate (and the team) are not properly prepared (i.e. exit strategy) because Nate is drinking and being impulsive. 3. Parker would know and be familiar with architecture and building/room dimensions because she is a theif and would need to know these things to break into buildings and houses. Questions about this ep: 1. Was any of the mime scene between Tim and Beth improv? 2. Why didn't Eliot respond to Nate saying it was 'Eliot's job to find Parker', or actually appear as if he was looking for her? 3. Was the daughter based on anyone in particular? General question: This question is actually for Jonathan Frakes (or anyone who has done it), if you wouldn't mind asking him - I saw he directed for Burn Notice, and I'm just wondering which show is more difficult to direct (in regards to blocking, special effects, pace and script)?
@evening-shadow Re:Bing, TV is an expensive medium, and Microsoft put in quite a bit of money into this season, but not just to have small ads placed in it. They want to have their products used in a "good" way. Just wait until you see the full redesign of Nate's apartment (first full look should be Van Gogh job) there's a few new things including Windows 7.
@dyluke, not an official answer of course, but my guess is Frank Hardy (at least by way of the writing staff). In the newer Casefiles books Frank was the computer hacker and often paired up with Nancy Drew in the cross-overs.
@bluehex - Re Eliot's grifting capabilities, I was pondering it and all his personas were basically for distraction purposes (The Studio Job, The Double-Blind Job, The Tapout Job, The Stork Job, etc.) or as back-up (The Mile High Job, The Order 23 Job, The Jailhouse Job, etc.). He's either practically invisible or the shiny object that the marks focus on while Sophie finagles her way in and closes the deal. The closest he's come to an interrogation role is the Zanzibar Marketplace Job when he glares while Tara actually gets the info. The 10 Li'l Grifters is actually the first time when the con actually depends on him extracting info from the mark(s) directly and subtly without Nate or Sophie prompting him through it (as they do in the Stork Job). Hardison does it in The Ice Man Job and Parker sorta does it in The Morning After Job & The Underground Job.
@Steue - I get the logic behind the product placement and, despite my attachment to my iThings, I'm a PC girl, but I find it hard to buy that Hardison hasn't built his own OS from the ground-up.
@dyluke - I'm hoping he's Frank because, in the TV show and the modern crossover books, there's 'tension' between Frank & Nancy. It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, they hint around about an attraction between the two and Ned is downplayed or not mentioned at all.
Ok, this is funny...I watched my first Ellery Queen mystery the day before this aired. Was the tribute to Jim Hutton the writer's idea, or Timothy Hutton's? It what was a fantastic episode, that may have been the brightest candle on the cake, so to speak.
Along with others, I was surprised there was no Nero Wolfe, Archie or Inspector Kramer in the audience. Conscious decision over accidental twist of fate?
One thing surprised me, though: Eliot's sudden problem with grifting. I mean, you said yourself, he's the second best grifter in the team after Sophie.
I think he's the second best grifter with prep plus he's a good second banana (essentially a prop for Sophie). Not so good with the improv.
I do like that Parker conned Nate with the oldest fakeout in the book -- "Oh, look!"
First off - so pumped to have you back and blogging again. Definitely respect you needing a break, but we've missed you.
Couple questions:
1) Was this an episode that ended up getting written with certain actors in mind for the non-team roles? I ask because there seemed to be a pretty high number of geek-recognizable cast members this time around, e.g. Steven Flynn (though I may be alone among Leverage fans in being excited to see Johanna Braddy from Greek back on TV). How often do you end up writing roles for particular actors?
2) Anyone in particular in the writer's room we have to thank for the Imelda Marcos and Halle Berry bits?
3) The latter gag brought up something that's been kicked around before on this blog, in the sense that the flashback implied that Hardison was actually sitting next to Halle Berry. We've already this season begun to see a lot of the team's past jobs and habits biting them in the ass - old enemies looming, their criminal records damning them, people catching the references with their aliases. Since this is a season of consequences, are we at some point going to see the repercussions of the fact that a number of them have had their faces splashed all over the place? Sophie as the international media darling in the San Lorenzo Job, Eliot's time as baseball and country music star, etc.?
4) Happy to hear Detective Captain Bonanno is still on the job. Will we be seeing him in person later this season? How about Taggart and McSweeten?
Love the episode...this is my first time asking a question but I have been a reader of your blog for the last few years...anyway, my questions is: What the heck is Parker smiling/smirking about all episode?
I found it absolutely adorable and since she's with Hardison the whole time, it made me think that she looks like a girl on a date with a really cute guy, lol.
I got hooked into the episode about half way as well. The beginning of the episode felt a bit rushed in my opinion, but I loved seeing everyone in costume. I giggled manically when I saw Parker and Hardison as Nancy Drew and a Hardy Boy.
Sorta a random silly question...
Will we be seeing Eliot use his Christmas Present from the "Ho Ho Ho Job" at all the season? If ever?
Great episode as always, and thank you for taking the time to answer these.
Less episode related and more general questions, after re-watching the King George Job, where Parker seems to have stolen almost every artifact ever. 1) Did Eliot, as a retrieval specialist, ever have to retrieve something stolen by Parker? 2) Did all of the team know of each other, by rep, prior to the pilot? I think is was mentioned in a Season 1 deleted scene that Sophie had heard of Parker's rep, but did the others really know of each other? I can't really imagine any of the others knowing about hackers like Hardison, for example, since it seems so far out of their wheelhouse, but it has been mentioned that these guys have serious reps in Crime World.
Thanks again for answering these, can't wait for the next episode.
For those who haven't noticed, TNT is doing a video blog each week with a writer and producer. Some of the questions have been answered there.
Have to add my appreciation for Nate's oh-so-very dad line "What's the Rule?" I use it myself all the freaking time with my kids. Is someone in the writer's room channeling their childhood (or parentdom)?
I really enjoyed this episode and seeing all of the characters in a different setting, especially enjoyed Eliot's type of... "Grifting" when speaking about Sophie to one of their suspects, Eliot was really protective, and I've noticed thaat he isn't as protective of Parker, is this because Sophie has a less physical job than Parker? (although we have seen Sophie... shall we say use her head...)
Loved the Encyclopedia Brown crack from Hardison. And Parker was so adorable as Nancy Drew.
I was just wondering if there is a possibility that our crew of thieves (minus Nate) has ever conned and/or worked for the same person or persons but our guys aren't aware of the others past work history. And could said person or persons come for revenge?
Can I just say that I loved it sooooo much that Nancy Drew was the one to find the secret passage ways!! And this is nitpicky but why is Hardison dressed as the Hardy Boys instead of just picking Frank or Joe? There were after all, two of them. Also loved Sophie's griping about how big a baby Nate is when it comes to dressing up. In the dance they had, they seem to have a new closeness, awesome but is it because of the sleeping together or just where they are in their ever evolving relationship? Are we going to get to see more of Nate's angst/doubt when it comes to his job? Love the mime stuff, Tim and Beth seriously knocked it out, but how much was scripted and how much were you just like 'go make it awesome'?
Great, great episode! My whole family and I enjoyed it!
1. I may have completely missed it, but where did the blood come from? Eliot said his neck had been snapped, which wouldn't produce any blood, and if the detective's badge stayed inside his jacket... 2. I read somewhere that Christian will be singing again this season. Assuming the episode hasn't already been filmed, and depending on how Eliot's singing works into the plot, is there a possibility of a tiny guest appearance by Steve Carlson, a close friend and bandmate of Kane's? The Kaniacs would thank you!
scooter5203249 said... I'll add to Shelley's detective spotting - Clouseau, Marple, Poirot,McCloud, Kojak and wasn't that the great man himself, Nero Wolfe, at approx 8:35 minutes- the somewhat corpulent guest in the black overcoat, suit, vest, red tie, and canary yellow shirt?
@fester My read on that is Parker just groks buildings...
It took me couple times through to notice, but Parker wanders off into the secret passageway right after she asks Hardison about small spaces and claustrophobia...was that meant to be a lead-in about how Parker has spidey-building-senses?
Detective spotting: Dick Tracy and (Miss Marple?)hanging out by the staircase
This is less a plot question than a technical question -- has TNT officially pulled streaming of Leverage for the season? We caught episode 1 before they took it down. We were already bummed about having to wait the full week after it aired on TV to see it -- not getting it on the site at all is so much sadder!
When Hardison noted he could hear the music, and Parker remarked that she was relieved that he could hear it too, is that because Parker is so cool that she can hear the background music of the show? (A bit of fourth wall breaking, but she's cool enough that that might work in the Leverage-verse)
Thanks for proving Sophie really IS more bad ass than Eliot! *ducks flying objects from others* Hey, it takes Eliot a while to knock people out with the props he uses. Sophie, one shot, with the shaded end of the lamp, and little rich bitch was out cold? YES!!! However, I'm now left wondering exactly how long she took on the Annie Kroy persona for. Please say "years"...lie if you have to.
I agree with anonymous - Nate spent a long time working insurance before cell phones were everywhere.
I can also see him just having made a specific point to memorize Bonanno's number for exactly that situation. After all, whatever their relationship post-Maltese Falcon Job I doubt Chessmaster Nate would be wild about Bonanno having a cell phone number to trace back to him, and it wouldn't do either of them any good if Nate was ever caught and had a State Police detective captain's number on speed dial. :)
There were a few things I loved about this episode -- Hardisson reciting the "no problem without a proposed solution," for example - but I wasn't surprised to hear that the writer was tackling the characters for the first time with a difficult difficult set-up.
This episode rang emotionally false to us, as if the writing team wasn't as comfortable with the character interactions, and it wasn't until we saw episode 3 that we were able to say why. It comes down to smart characters being forced to do stupid things in order to further the plot, and writing that caused the rhythms to be completely off. The team isn't reacting to one another naturally, the way they are in episode 3. For instance, note the lack of banter.
The regularly smart characters might have:
- Nate would have moved the corpse into the secret passages. Anyone who knew to look there knew they existed. He could then circulate freely.
- Sophie was written to be virtually incompetent. A "it's a dummy!" ploy is valid, but no one would have believed her the way she tried to present it. both she and Nate came across as clearly lying.
- There is zero chance that no one would rush forward to check the body after the fall.
- Elliot's not the team's go-to guy for questioning. Any of the others could have handled that as well; Sophie would have been great at it as soon as she shook the cop, and Parker would have been the ideal person to check for objects and rips. The role change felt forced.
- The accusations and linked indignation about Nate murdering the mark seemed particularly artificial to me. It's out of character, forced on him by the story.
- The team was almost whiny and petulant, not the consummate professionals they normally are. As Peggy said, Elliot should have been *thrilled* to have that costume, he looked great. :)
Please don't get me wrong, a below-average episode is still a thing of joy and I look forward to the next episode by this writer. But I don't get as much enjoyment from the "theme" episodes as I do out of the "competence porn" episodes.
...and after all that, I don't even have a question. Ignore this post as necessary. Thanks for letting me ramble.
Am I right that the Parker/Nate interaction at the door (with subtitles) was a shout out to the old (and silent) Keystone Kops movies?
Are there other explicit shout outs...I think I caught Nero Wolfe in Nate's running everything sitting on his behind, and maybe Agatha Christie in the secret passages (although that's a tad more generic)?
I was sitting in my apartment, weeping and trying to figure out how Emmy voters could have snubbed Community once again and then I turn on Leverage. I almost threw up, I was so excited to see Tim Hutton as Ellery Queen. I understand the connection, but was there any other reason why you didn't go for Archie Goodwin?
If the daughter was supposed to be manning the junction box in the pantry, how did she get to the front of the assembled crowd in time to exclaim that her father was dead (and finger Nate as the killer)? She was there as soon as the power came on, so who was at the box?
In case you missed it, by the time this episode was over, "Ellery Queen" was trending on Twitter. Sorry, forgot to get a screen grab. I hope this episode made people look that show up, it was awesome! Were the orchid in Sophies hat and the use of yellow nods to it? :)
I love when Elliot gets annoyed. Like with his, "but great, we found Parker!" and his face and body gets all tight and shakes with irritation. For some reason I can picture Kane really doing that in real life. Is this one of those cross over Kaneisms or is that all Elliot? Kane seems like he'd be the most like his character out of all of them.
While Harison totes should have been a Hardy boy (that would have gone nicely with Parker's Nancy Drew), I TOTALLY APPRECIATE that y'all made him Encyclopedia Brown. I LOVED THOSE BOOKS WHEN I WAS A KID.
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By "the last one" I hope you mean #312? Been anxiously awaiting it for a while now. (:
When are they going to steal a chalice? Or stop a human sacrifice?
Where did you film this one? Cool house!
Is Hardison supposed to be A Hardy Boy in this episode? Cause, wow that is hysterical!!!
I own a copy of "Dreamnasium". Can I get it autographed by Geoffrey Thorne? I hear you may know him. It would have a place of honor next to my autographed Leverage mug. Looking forward to the Leverage version of Clue!
Well that was a quick pre-credits sequence.
Foul!
Nate should have gone as Archie Goodwin!
Yma Sumac and Dexter Gordon FTW!
Okay, I understand the reason for the Ellery Queen reference, and it was nice and all -- but I would have loved it SO much more if Nate had been dressed as Archie Goodwin!! At least tell me there's going to be a Nero Wolfe reference at some point!
Video Beagle, I'd like to see Archie Goodwin again!
Glad there's an episode like this.
Given the "Sorry I haven't been around post", Nate's we never get to the end of evil rich white guys.. and Hardison's "Don't bring up a problem...." scene.
I'm sensing a lot of meta in this episode.
More of a general question, since the ep just started, but how much instruction/planning does Nate handle when sending the team out on a straight out job? Is it like, "Parker, Eliot, break into the records room," or is it, "Eliot, you will be the janitor. Parker will hide in the garbage can. You will do [this], go [here], singnal [this way]. Eliot will cover Parker while she does [this], and give [this] as a signal if there is a problem..."? I'm thinking it's more the first but Nate is such a control freak, you never know.
Ok, so I have to admit, I was thinking the same thing as Sophie in the beginning. Is any of this based/inspired by "Murder by Death"?
I think I know who did it -- let's see if I'm right . . .
Anon., I was thinking of "Murder by Death" too! (Nice timing, if it is! Works as sort of unplanned tribute to Peter Falk.)
I'm surprised with a title like this you don't have an Agatha Christie detective anywhere, or did I miss it? (admittedly, I don't recognize a lot of the names they are throwing around).
McGann McCoy and Baker... nice.
Painting on the wall was also in the auction house in The King George Job.
More later.
Hardison, Bow Ties are cool.
Oooh, someone finally called out on Hardison's use of real names for Ids as in-world references.
Though I thought Nate's record was erased. Guess not.
I was right! I guessed correctly! Woohoo!!
I felt bad for Nate at the end of the show. The team are the only friends the guy has and they doubted him.
Parker as Nancy Drew.
Thank you. :)
The police officer said Nate was arrested 5 years ago for doing something to IYS...this related to Sam's death?
Also, aside from Beck being a corrput CEO why did this case particularly get to Nate so much we got a glimpse of it when he was talking to Sophie, is he having like a moment of "why do we keep doing this" or "why is there so much evil"?
Was William Russ supposed to be the Third Doctor? He was a dead ringer (pun!) for Jon Pertwee in that get-up.
Who thought of the flashback skit with Hardison being there when Halle Berry won an Oscar for best actress? Pure comedic gold.
Also from that ending is Nate more upset that everyone thought he was capable of murder or that He himself thinks he's capable of murder?
Oh and do my eyes and ears deceive me? Did Nate actually care what the team thought of him being the killer?
Timothy Hutton playing Nate Ford dressed as Ellery Queen who was played by Jim Hutton! And Sophie dressed as Irene Adler! Total geekgasm, there.
Did I miss how they got off the island? After Eliot's insistence that there was no way off?
I can't believe anyone thought Nate killed him! Killing Beck would have messed up a simple grab-and-get-out scheme, and left him trapped on an island with his victim. Even if Nate meant to kill someone, he wouldn't have done it so stupidly as that. Besides, Nate wants the bad guys punished, not dead.
Eliot seems to be especially put out with Nate this season. What's up?
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With the way Elliot has been treating Nate, albeit in only 2 episodes, it seems like Elliot knew what happened in San Lorenzo or he's having problems with what he had to do in "Big Bang Job".
Also Sophie broke character again, in a room full people they were conning.
I'd like to know when Elliot is going to have his 'Come to Jesus' talk with Nate? And what will be the repercussions of that talk?
J
Hardison as Encyclopedia Brown was hilarious! I also would have loved to see Mr. Hutton as Archie again, but I assume there was some legal problem with that, or that Nate wasn't in the mood for a costume that looked like a costume.
I guessed the same as Bill Reed -- 3rd Doctor?
Question: How many times is Nate going to hit bottom before he cleans up? He touches on the possible root of his problems in #401 (when he warns the client about revenge), so he appears to be aware that there IS a problem -- but that obviously doesn't mean he can fix it. Or will. Will he?
Right, i've got to ask. A while back, you said that Eliot hasn't killed on screen. So was the Butcher of Kiev just knocked out? Same for Quinn (Was the the dude in the Series 1 penultimate ep?)? Because i'd have assumed that Eliot would have just gotten rid of him, especially as that was Quinn's job...
Fantastic show, by the way! Love the cast and i love how the team all eat together again. But wait, Nate expresses surprise at the end of 4.01 - so have i got the assumption that during S3 they ate together? Or did they just not in the gap between 3.16 and 4.1?
I thought Hardison was one of the Hardy Boys... HE thought he was Encyclopedia Brown but Sophie said he and Parker were the Hardy Boys and Nancy Drew.
How many different detectives are in the background?
I saw Magnum PI and Dick Tracy I know.
Loved this episode. questions after I watch a couple more times
Dittoing the
1) why exactly is Eliot SO pissed at Nate?
and
2) Brave's about Nate being upset, but why exactly
questions!
Whoa whoa whoa, Nate got arrested for threatening Blackwell before the team formed? That's interesting. Is that just a little tidbit to show us how far down Nate had gotten back then, or something we'll hear more about in the future or both?
Also, did the team really think Nate might have killed the guy? Don't they know him better than that by now?
Fun little ep - loved the costumes and the passageways, and I also like the way you guys have mixed up the standard intro so we don't always see the victim being victimized straight from the start.
Oh, and I so knew it was Hammett. ;)
It seems like Eliot's more annoyed with Nate this season than normal. He seems to be more fed up with things going wrong in the cons due to the fact Nate didn't listen to him. Hardison and Parker seem to be pointing out his past mistakes as well. I have to say it would be nice to have a con go right from start to finish a little more often. I love the show but I didn't love this episode.
I like the almost but not quite Mike Hammer music being played by the band.
I note Beck's entrance into the party is an unusual ninja zoom, going backwards, then moving around and forward..kinda drunk like
I also love the suggestion that Parker once robbed Imelda Marcos.
I don't know that Eliot had an abnormal level of problem with Nate in this one, so much as Nate was making Eliot's job of protecting Nate and the others much harder by staying and not fleeing.
Has Eliot really been more annoyed at Nate than usual? One of the things he usually does is call Nate when Nate starts taking risks, so the past two eps didn't strike me as all that much out of character.
By the way, loved the Parker subtitle moment. Her pantomime of stealing the guy's hate was awesome.
IMForeman - GET OUT OF MY HEAD! ;)
I had a suspicion when I saw a certain actors name in the credits. I thought "Oh, that's the guy who shot Captain Mal in 'Out of Gas'!" (Geek reference - "Firefly")
I thought he might be the bad guy but when he was introduced as one of the good guys I was thrown off for a bit.
Let me also put in my thanks to whomever decided that Parker would be going as Nancy Drew.
Some local cop was able to just cellphone a photo to I.N.T.E.R.Pol and get a reply back within the hour? Seems, i dunno, quick.
@IMForeman and alleyone, re: Eliot's annoyance, there was also the fact that Eliot had told Nate he'd need more time to plan their way off the island, which Nate disregarded.
Eliot always gets annoyed when Nate makes his job harder, going all the way back to S1, the "Snow Job," when he threatened Nate in that hotel room.
I really enjoyed this ep. It's always fun watching the team have to adapt when things go wrong. And I enjoyed trying to identify the background guests.
Oh, like someone else above, I kinda went "huh?" at the mention of Nate's arrest five years ago. We didn't know that, did we?
Would've been great to have Nate as Archie Goodwin but I assume Timothy Hutton requested the Ellery Queen homage in tribute to his late father who played the role.
Loved the episode. Thank you!
So the coms work on airplanes and throughout the rooms of the mansion, but don't go through the plaster/wood lath of the secret passages? Hmmm. And why blueprints (no one has used them for years)? Just for dramatic effect? Or is he such a bad contractor that he doesn't use computers or CAD?
Just had to add, thank you for Tim Hutton as Ellery Queen. And for the Encyclopedia Brown reference. Two great moments.
Loved, loved, loved Nate as Ellery Queen! I was a huge fan when I was a kid, and Hutton looked so much like his dad in that hat!
It seems Nate is more and more trying to do everybody else's jobs while having a harder and harder time doing his own. How close is he going to get to finding himself a one-man show?
And have you used that office building before? The Reunion Job, maybe? Or do tall lobbies with lots of glass just make excellent places to shoot?
SO Nate just calls Bonanna up and tells him "this is Nate Ford"? Have they come to some level of détente?
I presume that having Nate sit in a room by himself and solve the murder while everyone else ran around was a Nero Wolfe reference. But was leaving out a more explicit hat tip to that series something that you did happily, regretfully, or some other adverb?
Hardison a Hardy boy? HILARIOUS! Loved Parker and Nate's mimed scene too! Quite an amusing episode, and clever plot, but I wasn't quite clear about a few things :
1.Who was in on the plan? The cop, daughter and 'lug', or just the daughter and cop?
2. How on earth did she convince him to help her murder her father? Riches? Should we just accept that he's a man with his own back-story that's made him the murderous, dirty cop he is today?
3. Or was he just sick of drawing the short straw ;)
And my random, silly question :
4. Parker believed Nate right away, Eliot didn't quite and Sophie and Hardison were in between. Does this reflect their trust in Nate, or do they believe Nate, especially drunk Nate is capable of anything?
I'm not surprised Eliot had expressed doubts. That's his job. But the others? Hm. Didn't think it was that bad...or was it that the others were non-commital about it and Eliot was the one who was so ambiguous about it.....
Tim looked just like his dad. I loved the Ellery Queen series when I was growing up and this was an awesome tribute.
Was the line "There are good wins and not so good wins" a reference to Tim's roles (Archie Goodwin vs. Nate Ford), or just a coincidence?
Great episode once again from you all :D
I love the genre/atmosphere of this eppy and it was lovely to see Tim playing Ellery Queen in honour of his father.
It seems with these first two episodes that Sophie is saving the day for Nate..in subsequent episodes Nate has got himself in a tight spot and Sophie is the one to pull him out..
Emotional scene with Nate/Sophie at the end..That end scene was a complexity of emotions going on with both of them, both of them hurting in a way. How did that scene come about? and will those words be left to ponder between them in episodes to come. Personally they need to be locked in a cupboard and get it all out in the open Lol.
Great performances by the cast, especially Tim & Gina at the end. Can't wait for the next episode and great start to Season 4 :D
Ok now must stop rambling lol
@Famous4it
My take on it was that Parker believes that Nate is capable of killing but that she thinks he would be honest about it, so if he said he didn't do it, he didn't do it.
For the others, I think that they're not as sure that he's capable and also not as sure in his honesty - more of a "could he have done it?" and "maybe if he did, he wouldn't want to admit it to us".
Why couldn't Hardison have played the detective Easy Rawlins? (Devil in a Blue Dress; 1995; Denzel Washington)
Caro4223: Good Wins and Goodwin! I love it. If that wasn't intentional John should say it was :)
The large house/ mansion Parker was referring to in the Phil. was it Imelda Marcos'?:)) And I'd like to congratulate you for the successful awesome ep. though I felt quite unsatisfied with the Nate and Sophie thing.,, mind telling us if they're gonna grow into more than what they are(the a little more than friends who went to bed together)? I mean yes its obvious that they have feelings for each other, which is quite something that many of us fans love.. so I really how they grow into something much more than what i described. I hope Nate gets his act together, to satisfy the NATE AND SOPHIE fans..
Lovely episode, absolutely loved it! You guys are rockin' it so far (and I say so far b/c of some season 3 eps).
On another note, although I like older men I'm usually not into older women, so I'm usually not all "Oh Sophie looks awesome!" However, that last scene w/her and Nate in the bar, Gina looked AMAZING! Loved it! Especially since it wasn't a getup for a job. She's just everyday-sexy.
Great show, John! Tim nailed it as Nate playing Ellery Queen. Perfect.
And to echo a lot of the other posters I want to see a "Nero Wolfe" and/or Archie Goodwin reference, too.
General question, not related to the ep - are scripts delivered to the actors on paper or digitally to their iPads or whatever brand of tablet?
Well, nice ep. The last one (4-01) was not the best. This one is better. But still not on top of the game ... I hope for improvement but season just started.
Our TV receiver had a spasm 5 minutes before the end of the episode, so I had to wait until the second broadcast to see the end. Cruel, cruel technology. Anyway, so I saw MOST of it twice and have twice as much blathering to do about it.
Assume the usual praise and compliments. Honestly, I felt a little shaky about this one going in, but by the halfway point I was hooked, and in the end you had me.
Wow, big steps in this one. With the discovery last episode that they are being bugged/watched, I'm guessing Nate feels a touch more out of control than he can accept (again, but that sort of thing really never completely goes away, does it?), despite the progress he made in season 3. And it's well established that Nate Is Not A Nice Guy with his crew, so, yeah, that they thought he was capable of murder didn't really shock me (I mean, he stabbed a guy without much trouble, even if it was to save his life. He very nearly got his own father killed, and he didn't even have much trouble holding a gun on Blackpool, so, yeah, it's always been a possibility. He just had more reasons NOT to kill people, and enough control over his anger) but I am KINDA surprised that Elliot didn't discount him as the murderer after he'd determined the manner of the death. Breaking a neck is not easy and to do it quickly takes some skill (Elliot should know).
I'm also looking forward to Nate and Elliot having that long talk. It seems that the subject is ostensibly about Nate not letting Elliot do his job and endangering the team, but I can't think that's the real issue. Nate and Sophie have worked out several of their problems, but Nate and Elliot (at least in my mind) have had a problem -- a rather raw one, one neither of them is perhaps in any way prepared for. Maybe they aren't even prepared to be aware of it. But two rival gunslingers who know each other as well as Eliot and Nate, who both have a concern about protecting this "family" not only against the outside but against themselves and what they have inside, what they have done, what they are capable of doing.
Yeah, Nate and Elliot need to resolve, to put it simply, whether or not they are friends. It all goes back to the pool table.
Anyway -- tagged the daughter as involved as soon as she accused Nate because, hell, why would the murderer step up to the balcony and look down at so many witnesses? But the lug surprised me. Didn't tag the cop until he handcuffed Sophie.
Ok, another "there's a question in here somewhere" -- Haridson. Now, Parker takes a lot of her emotional cues from Hardison and Sophie, but she's never really had a problem with Nate, but Hardison has shown he DOES have some, and they are growing, and they remind me ever so much of the problems Nate has with his own father. I am going back to the Scheherazade Job with this and the subsequent "mind games" Nate is playing -- to shape Hardison into another mastermind? I mean, Jimmy was trying to make Nate in his own ruthless, hard-assed, mean, tough image but he started in on a small child and did damage. Hardison, for all his hacking ways and his bitching/whining, is emotionally pretty resilient. I don't think he sees it that Nate IS teaching him (yet) and that the father/son vibe is taking on solid echoes of the Jimmy/Nate one.
You know, of course, as a writer, that when you can get your audience thinking this much and this long about what you've written, you've done a proper good job, yes?
Last question this round -- this is one of the first out-and-out whodunits I can recall in the show (I think it might be the first one ever). Does it contain any bits from that mystery novel you once remarked you tried to write?
I wish you'd offer writing workshops (in your ever so copious free time, of course). I'd seriously consider pawning some jewelry to attend.
Kudos on the Mannix costume.
So Nate has asshole fatigue too?
He was a little oversensitive with Elliot, too. "If you killed him" is not an expression of doubt, it's the predicate clause of an if-then statement: If Nate killed him, it follows that Y is true.
And even when they might be wondering if Nate killed him, they didn't abandon him. If anything, I think Nate would be bothered by their acceptance of him, even as a possible killer.
Elliot's annoyance is that Nate is standing in the way of his mission to keep the team safe.
Oh, and @Famous4it, the cop was the lug.
This is Doug Brooks' second character in the Leverage continuity.
Any in-universe connection between Tom Case and Frank (the guard from the prison in the Lost Heir Job)?
I think what's bothering Eliot is that for the two part season finale last season, he had some autonomy or freedom in his actions within the team, and he probably thinks after that his role within the team now would be more on level footing with Nate. But he's back to being ordered around by Nate and he's not liking it. If the Leverage team is a family, then it's as if Nate gave Eliot the keys to the car on a Friday night but come Saturday morning, Eliot has to clean his room and take out the trash. Growing pains.
My wife and I had a good laugh at Hardison in the Oscars with Halle Berry. Do I take it you are implying Hardison rigged the Oscars so that Halle Berry can win?:) I can believe that...
Quick canon question, has Nate killed before? As an insurance cop (a justified one of course, he was an honest man back then) or in self defence for example. Or has he only killed by proxy via Eliot's actions in The Big Bang Job.
And if he hasn't killed anyone yet is the day approaching when he might have to or might choose to?
@Miranda, I don't see Eliot's irritation as an autonomy issue. He has pretty much the same amount as he's always had. And if he seemed tohave more in Big Bang Job, it was simply because he withheld some very important details from the team.
I think he's pissed because Nate just won't listen to him. The team's security is Eliot's responsibility. Finding a way off that island was his responsibility. And Nate keeps making his job more difficult, if not downright impossible.
Eliot doesn't have a problem with taking orders from Nate; as a former soldier, he's clearly very comfortable with a command structure. What he does have a problem with is Nate giving him these resposnibilities and then making it impossible for him to carry them out. And then piling more on him.
For instance, when Nate told Hardison, "it's Eliot's job to find Parker," I expected Eliot to ask when, exactly, babysitting had become his job, too. By that point, he was probably ready to chew through wire.
When is the DVD of season 3 coming out in the United Kingdom/Europe?
Who was exactly from the Pinkertons was Elliot supposed to be? Are tired of answering the people who wanted Nate to be Archie? Could you ever write a Leverage Stage play? Any little tips from aspiring writers?
Okay, i admit my suggestion about making Sophie's real last name Adler was a bit twee and precious, but that she went to the costume party as the redoubtable Ms. Adler made me giggle and snort Mountain Dew.
Also: I may not be a high class grifter, but i do keep a handcuff key on my regular key ring.(Just in case, mind you.) I can't believe for a second that cuffs would stop Sophie for very long.
@VideoBeagle: Remember, Ray called Interpol, and although there may be no official record, I can't imagine that Sterling would miss a chance to stick a spoke in Nate's wheels. I imagine the interpol call center has a picture of Nate on it's wall.
Also: Re-watched a certain show that i'm not supposed to have on my hard drive. Still pushing for Michele Forbes as some hard core spy looking to collect a favor from Sophie and Tara, and is, incidentally, one of the few women on earth who scares the hell out of both of them.
"Is that your real name?"
"It's the only one your getting."
It'd also be cool if Sterling wanders into the middle of it, finds out she's involved and decides he needs to be elsewhere...Fast.
Just something that's been bothering me - Hardison was so hurt that Eliot left him to drown for such a long time in 3.15, how does he get over that and start working with him again, let alone hug him?!
Does Eliot see Hardison as a true friend?
I just wanted to thank you so much for doing this. I don't have a question as I live in New Zealand and only see Leverage once I have ordered the dvds so I am well behind, but I love the show and how fan friendly you all are
@dogdragon86
Eliot was Charlie Siringo
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlie_Siringo
Great episode, not in my top five, but still great episode. Wow, MAJOR props to Nadine, she did an amazing job with all the costumes!
Questions:
1. Did Tim ask to play Ellery Queen, or was that the brilliance of the writers at work?
2. Do you have a Guinness, as you do for the commentary, when you’re typing up the answers to our numerous questions? Are you ever surprised by some of the theories we come up with?
3. (S3 question - I sincerely apologize for not thinking of it at the time, but this has been bugging the hell out of me). Where did the character name/alias Dr. Wes Abernathy come from, was it inspired by the Abernathy bridge (which just so happens to be a mile or so upriver from where the Ice Man Job was filmed)?
Thanks so much for taking the time out of your busy schedule to do this!
First of all, and unrelated to the episode - may I confess I am truly, madly, deeply in love with you? For this: Hardison researched it, but when he discovered the baby's name is "Ftaghn", he decided to let it go. as well as general intellectual badassery (age of the geek, baby...) and book recommendations - Suarez left me speechless, I fell in love with Takeshi Kovacs world after the first three paragraphs, loved the Fireflyish spirit of Chris Wooding. Translated Man was THE discovery - long time since I've seen a piece of truly original fiction. Please tell me you didn't get completely buried in RPG and still DO read stuff? Pls to share? You read better stuff than I do…
As for the episode: fabulous. Loved the Ellery Queen reference (a big fan of the books), Irene Adler was perfect for Sophie and no-one could be better for Eliot than Charlie Siringo... the Real Deal Man.
One thing surprised me, though: Eliot's sudden problem with grifting. I mean, you said yourself, he's the second best grifter in the team after Sophie. He did use the skill a number of times already - The Snow Job, The Tap Out Job - so how come he's suddenly so uncomfortable with it and needs to "adjust"? He forgot he knew how-to?
As for Eliot's sudden problem with Nate, am I wrong to connect it to Nate's drinking again? Nate drunk = unpredictable = a liability = may cost Eliot/others their lives. Which Eliot feels responsible for. Only natural to be upset. BTW I loved how Eliot accepted Nate-as-murderer possibility as a simple fact of life and didn't seem to mind in the least, LOL.
Thanks for the great episode, waiting for the next one!
Captcha: whailing. A wail of truly epic proportions....
PS - should we ever meet in person - most likely, accidentally in one of the airports - there is SO a bottle of Glenmorangie waiting for you...
captcha - imilibe: vaguely amiable.
1- Why did Parker know about dimensions and architecture?
2- Does Hardison ALWAYS carry a laptop (plus multiple cables, his smartphone, etc...) around?
3- I've always noticed that every little thing you see during the episodes is important to understand the con and the result of it (for example when Parker goes into the kitchen where the mark's daughter is making out with the guy). My question is: How do you come up with everything so that it fits perfectly?
Congratulations on this last episode, it was great. And lots of support from Spain, I watch the show whenever I get the chance to do so! :)
again with the Kansas mention... although this time it wasn't such a negative context. seriously, is kansas the hollywood word for "the ninth circle of hell out in the middle of forking nowhere"?
One of the anonymi hinted at it earlier, but I need to ask: Is the title of this episode an homage to Agatha Christie's "And Then There Were None"/"Ten Little Indians"? And if so, was it just because the team is trapped on an island with murder being committed, or is there another obvious association that I'm missing
Question: Might there be some Eliot-related fisticuffs coming soon? I really dig the fights, mocha or no.
Enjoyable episode. Things kept pulling me out of the moment, tho, like the nod to Jim H's "Ellery Queen", the early reveal of the baddie (can't imagine that it wasn't meant to be obvious), and, seriously, an Amy Camus reference? That struck me as very off-the-grid but I suppose she was a bit of a grifter herself, *g*.
I missed something big. Nate figured out who the killers were, but in the end, he had no evidence. How could Captain Bonano even arrest the detective based solely on what he surely put in his report as an anonymous tip? There was nothing linking the cop to the murder other than Nate seeing "something shiny" and hearing cloth rip during the struggle on the balcony.
Great job on this episode! No, seriously, you cannot possibly understand how much I love the idea behind this. I cannot even wax lyrical about how much I love this, because it would quite possibly crash either your site or my computer. A rewatch is definitely in order for a game of "spot the mystery references" (I need to find the McGann, McCoy and Baker IMForeman mentioned)!
Okay, for some more focused gushing/comments:
1) I'm kind of ashamed that I had to google this week's aliases (which is currently standard practice if I don't immediately recognize them), but oh my, it was worth it to see their alias-picking technique come back to bite them!
2) HARDISON. Between the Oscars and actually knocking a guy out, he is the hands down winner of tonight's Fist Pump Award for Being Awesome. No contest.
3) Favorite cameo of the night: Steed and Emma Peel. I wish Columbo and Miss Marple could've been there, but as things go, Steed and Peel's second appearance in the series pretty much made up for it!
4) AUGH I said I wouldn't go on about it, but I love love LOVE this idea! Everything from the costumes to the secret passageways to the references to the murder mystery was absolutely perfect!
And questions:
1) Did Sophie have a method in picking everyone's costumes? Or, at least, did the writers have a method beyond "this costume would be the most funny/awesome/heartwarming"?
2) Does Parker usually hear mystery music while wandering through secret passageways?
3) LOVED the subtitled bit... reminded me a lot of Hustle. Who came up with that gag?
4) While we're on the subject of Hustle, I know you're really only a fan of the first season, but how many of your writers would kill for a crossover, or at least Adrian Lester as a guest star? Out of idle curiosity, if it were the Leverage team vs Hustle, who do you think would win?
Irene Adler wasn't a detective, she was a con-woman...and so: I salute the sheer chutzpah of appearing openly as one _during_ a con. Very brilliant.
As soon as we saw murder mystery party, my husband and I had bets if Timothy Hutton would be Ellery Queen or Archie Goodwin. Thanks for that.
All of my questions have been asked by others.
Just wanted to say great to see Leverage back on TV and 18 episodes this series! (yeah it's a heck of a lot more work for your crew, but man do I love watching it!)
With the theme of this episode being "famous detectives" and the influence of Boston on the series, I was expecting someone to show up as Robert B. Parker's famous detective Spenser, especially considering the author's recent passing and the imminent publishing of his final novel. Was there a creative reason there was no Spenser, or did you have problems clearing the rights, or did everyone in the writer's room just forget?
Also, since you're an avid roleplayer, I've been dying to know since I got turned onto Leverage, did you ever play Shadowrun? What made me fall in love with the pilot episode was just after the scene in the warehouse. I literally stood up and started yelling "THIS IS A SHADOWRUN STORY!!" Johnson hires a team, team does the job, Johnson betrays the team, team gets revenge on Johnson. Eliot = Street Sam, Hardison = Decker , Parker = B&E, Sophie = Face, and Nate = Mage (What? Some of the crap he does has to be magic!)
This is really more for the last episode, I suppose, but I think its more of a general season 3/4 question:
So obviously Nate forgot Sophie's name and will have to dig himself out of that hole AGAIN. So now that she's told everyone (even if one special person has forgotten) the question becomes 1. will we ever ACTUALLY hear her real name spoken on screen? 2. If so, will it be this season? 3. Why was the decision made to keep Sophie's real name a mystery after toying with us for a full season...longer, in fact. Remember, Sterling called her "Jenny" mysteriously back in Season One. Will THAT ever be explained? Sheesh.
Just finished the episode! And being a huge [i]Nero Wolfe[/i] fan, I believe I caught a number of references. Perhaps you could confirm whether I'm right?
Here goes nothin'!
1. Nathan conducted the investigation from the office in the same way Nero did.
2. In doing so, Elliot was essentially playing the role of Archie by doing the legwork.
3. Sophie had what appeared to be an orchid on her hat, Nero's favorite flower that cultivated in a greenhouse atop his brownstone. Along with the various shots of flowers either in the foreground or background in one form or another.
4. Perhaps the most overt reference was the extensive use of yellow in virtually every shot of the episode (Nero's favorite color was yellow and he typically surrounded himself with it). Seriously, it's everywhere.
There could've been some other nods (Nate and Sophie's dancing with the zoot-suited jazz band [and being interrupted as was prone to happen to Archie when he was on dates], the Art Deco stylings, color aside in the office resembled Nero's, etc) but those were more generalized than the above.
"Morris Beck is a vampire. Sometimes I wish someone would put a stake through is heart. I'm not kidding. A real stake."
Saying that to Eliot (Chris Kane), was that an 'Angel' reference?
Nathan Ford in the library with a wrench. Awesome Clue reference!
I liked this ep - a lot of fun, and I'm glad to see you guys playing with the formula. I've seen some complaints about it being too light, but I wonder if that's almost not because it followed such an emotionally intense premiere. This ep after, say, the Jailhouse Job or Beantown Bailout Job would not have seemed so light I'm guessing.
Add me to the list who didn't see Eliot as being abnormally pissed. Eliot is a bitchy dude. That's his shtick. He bitches at everyone when they piss him off, and the thing Nate does that pisses him off is take risks. If anything, I thought he was less pissy/growly than usual in the room with the body when he was angry that Nate wanted to continue with the con.
I also don't think Nate was as upset about the team maybe thinking he committed murder as he was questioning himself - as usual Sophie sees right through him.
Questions: is it right to assume that Nate, after having his epiphany about anger last week and learning that they are targets from some unknown source is now feeling particularly introspective about why they do this and what he's become in the course of doing this?
Was Nate testing Eliot to see how he would grift on the fly to find out information, as opposed to - say - distracting someone or getting access to an off limits area (which he has done a lot)?
Would Sophie have dressed Nate as Sherlock if given the chance?
Will we ever see flashbacks to Nate/Eliot working together in the past?
And, most importantly, I know you've said the show has less than a 100 ep lifespan. Will you tell us if your goal is to have 6 or 7 seasons ? (Of course what I'm really getting at is please tell us you don't see the show going only one more season!)
First, great job, as always. The episode was immensely entertaining. :) Also, HUGE, mad props to Nadine. Second, holy Eliot v. Nate hatred, Batman. I'm honestly shocked that Eliot hasn't straight-up knocked Nate upside the head already. He should. Third, I loved the myriad of references. As someone much wittier said before me, *geekgasm*. Fourth, my one and only question: is one of the consequences related to the fact that everyone seems extremely comfortable? What I mean is this: with the exception being Nate, the team trusts in the fact that Hardison will hack, Parker will steal, Eliot will beat booty, and Sophie will grift. Granted, the majority of this trust would come from working together for a number of years, but it seems a little too perfect from here.... Or am I reading way, way too far into it?
P.S. Thanks for all this. :)
If I'm not mistaken, Nate asked for "Detective Bonanno" at the end. A mistake, or was our State Police friend busted down in rank from Captain?
Though Wikipedia says that an MSP Captain may be appointed to the rank of "Detective Captain", something Bonanno no doubt deserves.
Unlike Taggart and McSweeten, whose success in the FBI seems to be mostly collateral damage from Leverage cons, Bonanno gets called when they need someone competent and moderately powerful in law enforcement that they can deal with.
I loved Hardison as a Hardy Boy, although I think he could've gotten away with being Ned. It's interesting you chose that series, considering how much racism there was in the early books. African Americans were not portrayed in a positive light.
Also, perhaps it's because I was watching the San Lorenzo Job before the new ep, but I immediately twigged onto the killer because it was the same set-up in both episodes, with the 'current time' in the opening and then the flashback afterwards.
I do feel like a lot of tension is building in the team. Nate is a land mine waiting to be stepped on and Sophie & Eliot are getting frustrated with his insistence on not being disarmed. Are we going to see an explosion at some point?
The book theme in this ep made me curious. Will we ever see a ep set in a library or college? Also, what about retail establishments? With all the troubles with the chains (I'm thinking specifically of Borders, right now), the store employees are getting screwed right and left.
And finally, Bing? Really? This is Hardison's go-to search engine? I guess Google doesn't really feel the need to advertise...
This episode kinda ended funny for me. Could you go over what happened to Eliot at the end one more time please? It seems like we say him check for rips in the guy's jacket and then nothing more after that. I know when Nate, Parker, and Hardison were running for their lives in the secret passage way Nate says "Eliot we need that exit plan NOW!" but Eliot doesn't respond.
It almost seems like Christian missed a few days of filming. Was this because of his schedule or was this just how the episode was written?
(I'm sorry and yes I'm an orginial Kaniac)
@evening-shadow
You make an interesting observation regarding the Hardy Boys (and to some degree, Nancy Drew as well). Ironically, the episode's writer is African-American.
John, let me add my thanks to those already offered. Nothing like an extended absence to really make your work with the blog appreciated. Maybe the best way to handle 315/316, when you get there, is in a couple chunks?
@ Ms Sunshine
1- Why did Parker know about dimensions and architecture?
My read on that is Parker just groks buildings and has cased enough places with enough variation in styles and architectural periods that she has internalized what to expect. In this case, it is "quite distinctive" for a rambling Victorian mansion to have hallways of X size, while this hallway is X-20%
We've seen her powers of observation when she has cased banks for the hell of it, done a recon of the gallery in 2nd David and elsewhere, she GETS physical layouts like Sophie gets people, and Eliot gets applied and targeted violence, and Hardison gets bytes
This isn't episode related and I know TNT has aired episodes different from filmed, but in my TV listings it says "The Van Gogh Job" is going to air the 17th.
First off is that true and second will airing it 4th instead of 5th mess up anything story-wise?
@Video Beagle, I assumed it wasn't Interpol but rather Unterpol, the underground villain anti-police network run by Chaos, who answers those kinds of questions for $1,000 a pop.
Observation: The number of dead bodies the team members are spending time with is starting to add up quickly.
Assumptions: 1. A few people have mentioned (and seemed surprised about) Nate having a record, I'm guessing mostly because the Italian promised to wipe his slate clean. My understanding of their deal was that only the stuff he has done since becoming a theif, escaping from prison and helping her last season was what she wiped out; not anything from his life before that. 2. Eliot wasn't anymore angry with Nate than he usually is when he feels Nate (and the team) are not properly prepared (i.e. exit strategy) because Nate is drinking and being impulsive. 3. Parker would know and be familiar with architecture and building/room dimensions because she is a theif and would need to know these things to break into buildings and houses.
Questions about this ep: 1. Was any of the mime scene between Tim and Beth improv? 2. Why didn't Eliot respond to Nate saying it was 'Eliot's job to find Parker', or actually appear as if he was looking for her? 3. Was the daughter based on anyone in particular?
General question: This question is actually for Jonathan Frakes (or anyone who has done it), if you wouldn't mind asking him - I saw he directed for Burn Notice, and I'm just wondering which show is more difficult to direct (in regards to blocking, special effects, pace and script)?
Was someone dressed as Carl Kolchak or am I see things?
Either way I enjoyed the episode, just curious.
@evening-shadow Re:Bing, TV is an expensive medium, and Microsoft put in quite a bit of money into this season, but not just to have small ads placed in it.
They want to have their products used in a "good" way.
Just wait until you see the full redesign of Nate's apartment (first full look should be Van Gogh job) there's a few new things including Windows 7.
Remember, Sterling called her "Jenny" mysteriously back in Season One. Will THAT ever be explained? Sheesh.
Baritenor, what's to explain? As a grifter, Sophie has many identities. Why wouldn't Sterling have encountered her under one of her aliases?
No question, no rambling, just a favorite line of the night:
"There's chicks here!"
first off, great episode! love the detective thing goin on..
got 3 questions though:
1) did i hear Parker say, "some ladies house in the Philippines.."
a shout out to us Filipinos? thanx! =)
2) which Hardy Boy is Hardison supposed to be?
3) so Nate really owns the bar now? how bout Cora?
@dyluke, not an official answer of course, but my guess is Frank Hardy (at least by way of the writing staff). In the newer Casefiles books Frank was the computer hacker and often paired up with Nancy Drew in the cross-overs.
http://hardyboys.wikia.com/wiki/Frank_Hardy_(Casefiles)
@bluehex - Re Eliot's grifting capabilities, I was pondering it and all his personas were basically for distraction purposes (The Studio Job, The Double-Blind Job, The Tapout Job, The Stork Job, etc.) or as back-up (The Mile High Job, The Order 23 Job, The Jailhouse Job, etc.). He's either practically invisible or the shiny object that the marks focus on while Sophie finagles her way in and closes the deal. The closest he's come to an interrogation role is the Zanzibar Marketplace Job when he glares while Tara actually gets the info. The 10 Li'l Grifters is actually the first time when the con actually depends on him extracting info from the mark(s) directly and subtly without Nate or Sophie prompting him through it (as they do in the Stork Job). Hardison does it in The Ice Man Job and Parker sorta does it in The Morning After Job & The Underground Job.
@Steue - I get the logic behind the product placement and, despite my attachment to my iThings, I'm a PC girl, but I find it hard to buy that Hardison hasn't built his own OS from the ground-up.
@dyluke - I'm hoping he's Frank because, in the TV show and the modern crossover books, there's 'tension' between Frank & Nancy. It's been a while, but if I remember correctly, they hint around about an attraction between the two and Ned is downplayed or not mentioned at all.
Ok, this is funny...I watched my first Ellery Queen mystery the day before this aired. Was the tribute to Jim Hutton the writer's idea, or Timothy Hutton's? It what was a fantastic episode, that may have been the brightest candle on the cake, so to speak.
Along with others, I was surprised there was no Nero Wolfe, Archie or Inspector Kramer in the audience. Conscious decision over accidental twist of fate?
One thing surprised me, though: Eliot's sudden problem with grifting. I mean, you said yourself, he's the second best grifter in the team after Sophie.
I think he's the second best grifter with prep plus he's a good second banana (essentially a prop for Sophie). Not so good with the improv.
I do like that Parker conned Nate with the oldest fakeout in the book -- "Oh, look!"
First off - so pumped to have you back and blogging again. Definitely respect you needing a break, but we've missed you.
Couple questions:
1) Was this an episode that ended up getting written with certain actors in mind for the non-team roles? I ask because there seemed to be a pretty high number of geek-recognizable cast members this time around, e.g. Steven Flynn (though I may be alone among Leverage fans in being excited to see Johanna Braddy from Greek back on TV). How often do you end up writing roles for particular actors?
2) Anyone in particular in the writer's room we have to thank for the Imelda Marcos and Halle Berry bits?
3) The latter gag brought up something that's been kicked around before on this blog, in the sense that the flashback implied that Hardison was actually sitting next to Halle Berry. We've already this season begun to see a lot of the team's past jobs and habits biting them in the ass - old enemies looming, their criminal records damning them, people catching the references with their aliases. Since this is a season of consequences, are we at some point going to see the repercussions of the fact that a number of them have had their faces splashed all over the place? Sophie as the international media darling in the San Lorenzo Job, Eliot's time as baseball and country music star, etc.?
4) Happy to hear Detective Captain Bonanno is still on the job. Will we be seeing him in person later this season? How about Taggart and McSweeten?
Love the episode...this is my first time asking a question but I have been a reader of your blog for the last few years...anyway, my questions is: What the heck is Parker smiling/smirking about all episode?
I found it absolutely adorable and since she's with Hardison the whole time, it made me think that she looks like a girl on a date with a really cute guy, lol.
So the famous detectives I spotted:
Sherlock Holmes (a couple of them actually)
Charlie Chan
Crockett and Tubbs from Miami Vice
Avengers Mr Steed and Ms Peel
Columbo
Magnum
Barretta
Who did you spot?
Oh Inspector Clouseau was another one
I got hooked into the episode about half way as well. The beginning of the episode felt a bit rushed in my opinion, but I loved seeing everyone in costume. I giggled manically when I saw Parker and Hardison as Nancy Drew and a Hardy Boy.
Sorta a random silly question...
Will we be seeing Eliot use his Christmas Present from the "Ho Ho Ho Job" at all the season? If ever?
@Kris Love that line! It was a variation of the same line from The Fairy Godparents job!
Parker was suprised that Hardison could "hear" the music too, when they were in the secret passageway.
Does Parker hear music in her head during cons?
Beth Riesgraf + Nancy Drew = too cute.
I have to admit I thought "Supernatural reference!" when Hardison found out he was a Hardy boy, hehehe.
Question from my brother (which I'm sure has been answered before, but I'm not smart enough to find): What's the power source for the earpieces?
Great episode as always, and thank you for taking the time to answer these.
Less episode related and more general questions, after re-watching the King George Job, where Parker seems to have stolen almost every artifact ever.
1) Did Eliot, as a retrieval specialist, ever have to retrieve something stolen by Parker?
2) Did all of the team know of each other, by rep, prior to the pilot? I think is was mentioned in a Season 1 deleted scene that Sophie had heard of Parker's rep, but did the others really know of each other? I can't really imagine any of the others knowing about hackers like Hardison, for example, since it seems so far out of their wheelhouse, but it has been mentioned that these guys have serious reps in Crime World.
Thanks again for answering these, can't wait for the next episode.
JR - LOVE the video blog.
For those who haven't noticed, TNT is doing a video blog each week with a writer and producer. Some of the questions have been answered there.
Have to add my appreciation for Nate's oh-so-very dad line "What's the Rule?" I use it myself all the freaking time with my kids. Is someone in the writer's room channeling their childhood (or parentdom)?
Speaking of the writer's room, how's it going with all the newbies?
I really enjoyed this episode and seeing all of the characters in a different setting, especially enjoyed Eliot's type of... "Grifting" when speaking about Sophie to one of their suspects, Eliot was really protective, and I've noticed thaat he isn't as protective of Parker, is this because Sophie has a less physical job than Parker? (although we have seen Sophie... shall we say use her head...)
Great episode as always.
Loved the Encyclopedia Brown crack from Hardison. And Parker was so adorable as Nancy Drew.
I was just wondering if there is a possibility that our crew of thieves (minus Nate) has ever conned and/or worked for the same person or persons but our guys aren't aware of the others past work history. And could said person or persons come for revenge?
Again, it is so great to have the show back.
Can I just say that I loved it sooooo much that Nancy Drew was the one to find the secret passage ways!! And this is nitpicky but why is Hardison dressed as the Hardy Boys instead of just picking Frank or Joe? There were after all, two of them. Also loved Sophie's griping about how big a baby Nate is when it comes to dressing up. In the dance they had, they seem to have a new closeness, awesome but is it because of the sleeping together or just where they are in their ever evolving relationship? Are we going to get to see more of Nate's angst/doubt when it comes to his job? Love the mime stuff, Tim and Beth seriously knocked it out, but how much was scripted and how much were you just like 'go make it awesome'?
Great, great episode! My whole family and I enjoyed it!
1. I may have completely missed it, but where did the blood come from? Eliot said his neck had been snapped, which wouldn't produce any blood, and if the detective's badge stayed inside his jacket...
2. I read somewhere that Christian will be singing again this season. Assuming the episode hasn't already been filmed, and depending on how Eliot's singing works into the plot, is there a possibility of a tiny guest appearance by Steve Carlson, a close friend and bandmate of Kane's? The Kaniacs would thank you!
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I'll add to Shelley's detective spotting - Clouseau, Marple, Poirot,McCloud, Kojak and wasn't that the great man himself, Nero Wolfe, at approx 8:35 minutes- the somewhat corpulent guest in the black overcoat, suit, vest, red tie, and canary yellow shirt?
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@fester My read on that is Parker just groks buildings...
It took me couple times through to notice, but Parker wanders off into the secret passageway right after she asks Hardison about small spaces and claustrophobia...was that meant to be a lead-in about how Parker has spidey-building-senses?
Detective spotting: Dick Tracy and (Miss Marple?)hanging out by the staircase
This is less a plot question than a technical question -- has TNT officially pulled streaming of Leverage for the season? We caught episode 1 before they took it down. We were already bummed about having to wait the full week after it aired on TV to see it -- not getting it on the site at all is so much sadder!
When Hardison noted he could hear the music, and Parker remarked that she was relieved that he could hear it too, is that because Parker is so cool that she can hear the background music of the show? (A bit of fourth wall breaking, but she's cool enough that that might work in the Leverage-verse)
Thanks for proving Sophie really IS more bad ass than Eliot! *ducks flying objects from others* Hey, it takes Eliot a while to knock people out with the props he uses. Sophie, one shot, with the shaded end of the lamp, and little rich bitch was out cold? YES!!! However, I'm now left wondering exactly how long she took on the Annie Kroy persona for. Please say "years"...lie if you have to.
Just watched this again before tonight's show..
How many us really KNOW people's phone numbers by memory any longer? I know I don't-they are all programmed in my phone.
so how realistic is it that Nate could pick up the murder's phone and Dial Bonanno...
hrmmmm
MacSTL:
I bet it would depend on how old you are - I remember phone numbers, because that is just what you did or else you had to go look them up.
@MacSTL
I agree with anonymous - Nate spent a long time working insurance before cell phones were everywhere.
I can also see him just having made a specific point to memorize Bonanno's number for exactly that situation. After all, whatever their relationship post-Maltese Falcon Job I doubt Chessmaster Nate would be wild about Bonanno having a cell phone number to trace back to him, and it wouldn't do either of them any good if Nate was ever caught and had a State Police detective captain's number on speed dial. :)
There were a few things I loved about this episode -- Hardisson reciting the "no problem without a proposed solution," for example - but I wasn't surprised to hear that the writer was tackling the characters for the first time with a difficult difficult set-up.
This episode rang emotionally false to us, as if the writing team wasn't as comfortable with the character interactions, and it wasn't until we saw episode 3 that we were able to say why. It comes down to smart characters being forced to do stupid things in order to further the plot, and writing that caused the rhythms to be completely off. The team isn't reacting to one another naturally, the way they are in episode 3. For instance, note the lack of banter.
The regularly smart characters might have:
- Nate would have moved the corpse into the secret passages. Anyone who knew to look there knew they existed. He could then circulate freely.
- Sophie was written to be virtually incompetent. A "it's a dummy!" ploy is valid, but no one would have believed her the way she tried to present it. both she and Nate came across as clearly lying.
- There is zero chance that no one would rush forward to check the body after the fall.
- Elliot's not the team's go-to guy for questioning. Any of the others could have handled that as well; Sophie would have been great at it as soon as she shook the cop, and Parker would have been the ideal person to check for objects and rips. The role change felt forced.
- The accusations and linked indignation about Nate murdering the mark seemed particularly artificial to me. It's out of character, forced on him by the story.
- The team was almost whiny and petulant, not the consummate professionals they normally are. As Peggy said, Elliot should have been *thrilled* to have that costume, he looked great. :)
Please don't get me wrong, a below-average episode is still a thing of joy and I look forward to the next episode by this writer. But I don't get as much enjoyment from the "theme" episodes as I do out of the "competence porn" episodes.
...and after all that, I don't even have a question. Ignore this post as necessary. Thanks for letting me ramble.
Am I right that the Parker/Nate interaction at the door (with subtitles) was a shout out to the old (and silent) Keystone Kops movies?
Are there other explicit shout outs...I think I caught Nero Wolfe in Nate's running everything sitting on his behind, and maybe Agatha Christie in the secret passages (although that's a tad more generic)?
I was sitting in my apartment, weeping and trying to figure out how Emmy voters could have snubbed Community once again and then I turn on Leverage. I almost threw up, I was so excited to see Tim Hutton as Ellery Queen. I understand the connection, but was there any other reason why you didn't go for Archie Goodwin?
Pondering logistics...
If the daughter was supposed to be manning the junction box in the pantry, how did she get to the front of the assembled crowd in time to exclaim that her father was dead (and finger Nate as the killer)? She was there as soon as the power came on, so who was at the box?
In case you missed it, by the time this episode was over, "Ellery Queen" was trending on Twitter. Sorry, forgot to get a screen grab. I hope this episode made people look that show up, it was awesome! Were the orchid in Sophies hat and the use of yellow nods to it? :)
I love when Elliot gets annoyed. Like with his, "but great, we found Parker!" and his face and body gets all tight and shakes with irritation. For some reason I can picture Kane really doing that in real life. Is this one of those cross over Kaneisms or is that all Elliot? Kane seems like he'd be the most like his character out of all of them.
While Harison totes should have been a Hardy boy (that would have gone nicely with Parker's Nancy Drew), I TOTALLY APPRECIATE that y'all made him Encyclopedia Brown. I LOVED THOSE BOOKS WHEN I WAS A KID.
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