Wednesday, March 10, 2010

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EDIT: So this isn't just a referral post, I'll ask a question for the Comments. Favorite season/ep/scene? and if you were giving the box set to a total virgin, would you suggest they stop watching at some point, and if so, where?

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You could set any filmed entertainment to Sabotage and it would get me fired up.

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That was really much better than I expected with the "Leemo" credit being the default image.

Scot Boyd said...

Favorite Ep: 33
Favorite Scene: Tigh's speech in 33 about duty, or Starbuck (in the mini) admitting her responsibility for Lee's brother's death, and line "It's the end of the world, Lee. I thought I should confess my sins."
When to Stop: "One Year Later" (end of S2, don't even finish the scene, just shut it off when you see those words).

Gareth said...

When to stop: in the final episode, when they start discussing city planning. That leaves out most of the stupidity.

Coren said...

It's hard to say where to stop - the whole fourth season was sort of off the rails, and yet some of the best moments happen then...

LarryFleming said...

My favorite EP was "The Face of the Enemy". But I liked them all, I'm a sci-fi nut anyway.
I agree with Gareth, city planning..zzzzzzzz.

Life should have background music.

"Life has a melody, Gaius. A rhythm of notes which become your existence once played in harmony with God's plan. "

John Seavey said...

If I was giving the box set to a total virgin, I would suggest they stop watching right away and go get Season One of "Doctor Who" instead. And I'd keep the receipt.

Sorry, I had two room-mates go through their BSG phase one after another, meaning I had to sit through the series not once but twice while the plot holes grated at me like chewing on tinfoil. :)

Harlan said...

Lee Adama essentially carrying an entire act with that amazing trial testimony in "Crossroads Pt. 2". And the "Watchtower" sequence.

B.Mooney said...

Resurrection Ship parts I and II were great, along with the episode Pegasus that set it up (2nd season).

Places to stop? There are filler episodes in 3rd season that could be skipped. And please skip the 'movies', Razor and the Plan.

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Unrelated: The netflix stream for The Future Job is messed up, with the audio out of phase and eventually way out of sync. I sent a message to netflix to report the problem, but I thought I'd mention it here too.

Thanks for being one of the few shows that streams over netflix! I wish way more shows would go that route

Owen said...

On topic: It's important that virgins start with the miniseries, not with ep 1 of the tv series. And yeah, there are individual episodes that can be safely skipped, but it's worth seeing the thing through to the end.

Favorite action-y bit: The Adama Maneuver

Favorite drama-y bit: 1 Year Later

Robin said...

I'm surprised that a video set to 'Sabotage' didn't include any shots of, y'know, actual sabotage. There was quite a lot of it in the series to choose from. That said, it's got some good editing and a fun concept.

I have a lot of favorite moments, but the one that really stands out is Adama's funeral speech from the miniseries, since Eddie reenacted it with a ballroom full of fans at Dragon*Con a couple years ago. For full episodes I'd have to go with 'Exodus', 'Unfinished Business', and 'Someone to Watch Over Me'.

Ideally they'd begin at the beginning, but if a newbie wasn't willing to sit through the full miniseries, I'd say '33' would be adequate. And they should stop about five minutes from the end of the finale, in the middle of Lee and Kara's conversation. (But if they want to fast-forward through the love pick-a-polygon crap in season three and Kara's crazy time in season four, that's fine.)

xcelsior said...

And for those that want to see the scene-by-scene comparison of the mash-up and original sabotage video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twWd1L4fmTI

As for BSG, loved '33' - it just set a great tone for the whole series.

I was tempted to stop after the insurgency scenes on New Caprica but kept with it. If I'd have to stop, I'll agree with Gareth and go with the final episode where they start talking about city planning.

medrawt said...

Just to offer a somewhat different perspective, I'd advise somebody to watch it until the end, unless they started not enjoying it. I thought the first two seasons were stronger than the second two seasons, sure, but unlike (apparently) a lot of people I didn't experience a precipitous drop-off where things got worse and worse. Just about every step along the way made sense to me as a creative choice, and played honestly with what came before.

As opposed to, e.g., Alias (which was obviously a very different, and incredibly less ambitious [and artful] show), where I tell people they should check out the first two seasons and then immediately stop. Sure, the first episodes of Season 3 seem acceptable, but the nuttiness and badness just start expanding at frightening speed.

Nato said...

Season 3, episode 4, "Home." A two-and-a-half-hour blockbuster movie's worth of fist-pumping, balls-to-the-wall action crammed into one 44-minute episode. It remains the single most face-rocking thing I have ever seen on television.

Also, I may be in the minority, but I didn't hate the finale. It was weird and unexpected and relied a bit too heavily on deus ex machina and authorial cuteness. But it was still unexpected, affecting, and wonderfully acted. I'd say, skip the miniseries, start with "33," and hold on through any subsequently bumpy patches.

Do not, under any circumstances, waste two hours of your life on "The Plan," though. "Razor," yes, but "The Plan"... I feel bad for Jane Espenson, to have that formless, purposeless mess forever etched on her otherwise sterling resume.

kkisser said...

BSG is very satisfying, if you stop with "Sometimes a Great Notion" (Season 4, episode 13). Sure, it leaves a few things unanswered but let's you avoid the wallbanger of Starbuck's destiny.

Favorite episode: Exodus 1&2. I'm cheating but they're really a single episode that's just twice as long and OMG, Hot Drop!

Feel free to skip "Black Market" and "The Woman King," as they add absolutely nothing to the story and even the producers admit they were spec scripts thrown in to fulfill Syfy's additional order of episodes.

Dennis said...

Hard to not put down 33 for favorite ep. Favorite moment is definitely the last scene of season 1.

When to stop: this is really a question about how much bad you're willing to take with your good TV. The trouble with BSG is that the high points mostly stay high right up to the end (ok, right up to cities r dumb) but you have to swallow ever-increasing buckets of suck to get there.

For me, tolerance is relatively low but my addictive nature is relatively high, which makes me the least forgiving commenter so far. I tell people to watch S1 due to its brilliance, S2 up to Resurrection Ship II, and then consider stopping. I say that if you want you can then watch up to Downloaded but then you must stop, keeping to myself the point that if you finish out season 2 you'll probably want to keep watching through to the end due to the addiction and if you have my level of suck-tolerance this will net hurt you.

MTD said...

I recommend you quit just after Starbuck punches the final coordinates and right as the fleet jumps in the final.

I will never watch anything else related to this show because they wasted my time with that crap ending.

Absolute favorite moment: The Adama Maneuver

Unknown said...

Personally, I wished I'd stopped after 33. That episode set a tone & expectation that, personally, was never hit again. Although there are some great bits, the whole thing went off in a direction that I was just not interested in.

WWWeaves said...

I loved it until the end of season two. After that I ran hot and cold. There were great moments all along, and I love it for at least trying.

Tulse said...

"I recommend you quit just after Starbuck punches the final coordinates and right as the fleet jumps in the final."

Ditto. The series was absolutely brilliant, but the ending was absolutely terrible.

js3 said...

Favorite season was S1, followed closely by the first half of S3.

Would tell a newbie to stop watching at the mid-point break of the final season. It'd be the 2nd most depressing thing they've ever seen on television, but it'd still be a good story.

Of course, then they'd miss the suicide...

Simon Underwood said...
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Simon Underwood said...

Start at the start, end at the end. None of this cutting out early balls. The story is the story. You might not like where it went, but if you're invested in those characters, you stick it out.

I mean, I'm a hardline atheist, but I have zero problem with how the finale ended up going because it's not my story, it's that team's. Only rarely would I ever be so offended by a character choice made by a writer that I would reject it out of hand and pretend it didn't happen (out of nowhere example, the story of the new Phantom of the Opera sequel. Seriously, FUCK you on that.)

So I'd say stick that miniseries in and don't stop until "He doesn't like to be called that". That's BSG, like it or not.

Favourite moments are numerous, but must include going to war with Pegasus, Adama and Tigh showing the mutiny what old guys can do, and of course the retaking of New Caprica. Callie's exit also turning out to be gigantically crucial to the finale as well. But to be honest, quieter moments with Starbuck, Helo, Adama and Romo will do just as well.

Unknown said...

Favourite Episode: Hand of God

Favourite Scene: The arrival of Pegasus for battle and her death in Exodus, Part II.

pseudosilence said...

Huh. Interesting that no one else calls it where I would. I'd say start with the miniseries and watch until just after the New Caprica arc, so midway through season 3. As far as I'm concerned it's all down hill after the whole "Eye of Jupiter" thing.

G. Bob said...

Well, I admit that I’m one of those who found that the ending was so bad, it eliminated years of built up respect for the show. The last couple seasons felt a bit off, but I figured they were leading up to something. I trusted that their decisions were for the best, and I gave ‘em the benefit of the doubt.

Granted, this is a subjective kind of thing. I mean, there were still some nice acting moments in the last season, but the story had gone off the rails. Here was a story about the compromises humans have to make when faced irresolvable moral dilemmas. Great stuff. The message after one year later? Still don’t know. Robots and mystics are cool or something?

It would be similar to if, during the last season, Leverage suddenly revealed that Elliot and Parker were really super heroes, created by the government to battle alien monsters. They then reveal that Sophie was the chosen one who would kill the alien menace once and for all. Could that show still be entertaining? Could the acting still be good? Could it be well directed? Of course. It wouldn’t, however, be the show that we signed up for.

To me the best ending would be One Year Later. Here’s the ultimate sacrifice. They sacrificed their search for Earth. They sacrificed their leaders. They’re ruled by a guy who may or may not be a nutcase, but for sure he’s a cowardly, little man. We leave the audience wondering how well they did in the end. Toss in a spiffy line from Amada, and you got a hell of an ending.

Matt Kohn said...

Either you buy into the revelation at the end of Season Three that Starbuck is "something else" or you don't. They authors played against our "cheesy" expectations that "she wasn't dead. But new or alternative versions popped up all the way through season 4. 1) acting weird 2) finding body on nuked earth.

I liked the ending when Adama picks up a handful of the irradiated and says, "Earth." That was a naughty schoolboy trick and I kind of liked it. Poetry.

The actual ending I liked very much too. I think that the end of the series makes you rethink what season 4 was about, although not too much about the other seasons.

But that's no reason to stop until the end. Just watch more than one episode at a time because I think no one reads only one chapter of a book at a time. I wonder if most fiction narrative books might only have 20 chapters. That would be four episodes in a chunk. Anyway...

Anonymous said...

If I gave the complete set to a virgin, I would take whatever disk(s) held the three-part series finale and do terrible, terrible things to them, cackling and weeping all the while. I would then tell the recipient "It's a tremendous show. Had some moments of Deep Suck, as will any TV show, but also rattled-off moments of transcendent awesomeness with jaw-dropping frequency. It's just a pity they were canceled literally right before they were going to film the series finale. I bet it would have been earth-shatteringly cool."

And then, if they claim the series finale does, in fact, exist, and that the set of DVDs I gave them seems to be at least one disk light, I'd do a combination of covering my ears while screaming "LA LA LA LA" and punching them in the throat.

Unknown said...

If you like space opera I would say watch the entire series through the extended finale. Some episodes better than others true, but stay with it, its worth it.

If you are more hard core or more sci fi adventure, I would say stop after the mini-series.

Personally I could of stopped watching soon as I spotted Baltar and Six in contemporary history (trying not to give it all away). I didn't object to saying good bye to the series by watching the characters say good bye to each other. That worked for me. But could of done without the dancing robots.

Stuart Anderson said...

I'm with the take your lumps crowd. You have to watch the bad bits to see the good bits - and considering how good the good bits are that's worth the price IMO.

J. said...

I'm with kkisser. Most of seasons 1-3 are good, some of them are excellent. You can take or leave the first half of season 4, do not recommend the latter half. And oh my gods, do not watch "The Plan" or you may risk brain injury.

me said...

I would stop with the shot of the earth horizon from space, rising in the background, in the final episode.

Finally finding earth: awesome, satisfying ending that made the confusing bits of S4 worthwhile.

Finding out how they handled the colonization and what they ultimately "learned" from their adventure, the attitude of the writers for the existing natives, the reveal of Starbuck's status since her death, the reveal of Head Six and Head Baltar and the far future epilogue?

Major fail which unraveled all the threads of the entire 4 season arc and left a seriously sour taste.

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