"My cousin has a Kindle and loves it, but I played with it a bit and found it utterly unsatisfying as a reading device. (Part of the difference is that she tends to read very disposable literature, while I am more drawn to non-fiction and great works one might return to over and over again.) Unless there is some significant improvement in such devices, they will take my books over my dead body ...""Warm embrace"? Jesus Murphy, am I the only person who doesn't need a goddam handjob from my reading material?
"... As an addendum to my previous post, I will admit that the ability to increase the font size is probably a useful selling point to people who have trouble seeing. On the other hand, I found using a Kindle to be a cold and technological experience, nothing like the warm embrace of many well-designed books I have enjoyed ..."
"... To reiterate what a poster said above, you cannot sell, trade or give away a copy when you are done with it. Consider the usefulness of a lowly paperback. After you read it, you can put it on a shelf to keep, trade it into a used book store for credit, give it to a friend, or even sell it on eBay/at a garage sale, or just donate it to any worthy charity.Most of those options gives that lowly paperback new life."
-- commenters on Kevin Drum's blog
You know, it's not like Amazon needs my help, but I'm in the mood to do some anti-backlash backlash snark. In particular, the repeated "What about giving away your books? Huh?" annoys me to no end. Now, people do this, but more than, say, two a year? Seriously? And in large enough numbers to justify rejecting a new technology out of hand? Is that anything but a hassle for most people doing it?
And no one's taking away your books! Just like, if you let us build Supertrains, no one will come and take your car!
Listen, I'm a guy with a storage unit full of books. Let me re-iterate that -- a STORAGE UNIT FULL OF BOOKS. I love reading. I devour fiction and non-fiction. But I believe it's worth noting as a pre-requisite for Kindle discussion that people who fetishize books as books are just that -- fetishists. They are, in modern culture, rare and specific exceptions. I prefer tabletop dice-rolling games to video games, but I'm fully aware that makes me a.) an exception and b.) does not automatically give me any high ground or relevant insight as far as innovations in videogaming goes. Because, again, a.)I am an exception.
Again, not like Amazon needs my help, but --
1.) Currently on my Kindle: my subscriptions to Newsweek, the Atlantic, Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine (which I NEVER bothered to hunt up in print), the frikkin' New Yorker, and my old hometown paper, The Boston Globe. Delivered every day or week dead-tree-free, not cluttering up my goddam living room, and can be read at any time, on any lunch or coffee break, without a "wait, did I put the new one in my briefcase this morning ...?" At the very least, this is the future of the magazine and newspaper business.
2.) Also taking up space in the quarter-inch beast: Aspects of the Novel by E.M Forster; the 300 pound hardcover From Colony to Superpower that I can read without spraining my wrist; Cosmonaut Keep by Ken MacLeod; the Complete Sherlock Holmes; Massim Nicholas Taleb's The Black Swan; a bunch of Richard K. Morgan; Fareed Zakariah's The Post-American World. Al Gore's Assault on Reason ...
3.) All those hardcovers were roughly half-price. And no, the library is not viable for me. I work 14 hours a day. I need to be able to get back to a book when I can get back to a book. I also tend to reread non-fiction.
4.) The DRM is indeed evil, if you ever want to transfer those books to another mass-market reader. Of which there are none. I don't much care for DRM, but I make enough of a living off copyright to realize that non-intrusive -- by which I mean non-intrusive in the acqusition process or the consumption phase -- DRM in media is not a high crime.
5.) The "tiny" screen is the size of a non-trade paperback book.
6.) No, reading pdf's or free ebooks on your laptop or iPhone is not the same thing. Enjoy your retinal burn.
All that said, there are a lot of improvements that could be put into play. Bundling e-book versions with real-world purchases would be both just and smart. The bizarre inability to properly process pdf's is just plain inexcusable. There are a whackload of problems, but if ever there was "making perfect the enemy of good" in action, it's the current round of Kindle bashing. At the very least, this sort of thinking in the entertainment industry is why we let the Web catch us with our pants around our ankles.
There. I've defended my beautiful, ivory baby. Back to typing. Feel free to put the suggestions for your ideal e-reader in the comments.
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I'm not a fetishist by any account but books have quite a bit of an advantage over kindles as an entity(magazines & newspapers on the other hand need to get their act together and charge 30-60 dollars a year for e-readers before they become a footnote in history).
A book doesn't need batteries it can bend a bit without snapping (paperback anyways), and you can trade it in like the guy obsessing over smell said. My fantasy E-book will be when nanotech becomes viable to the point where magic ink flows from RFID cards into an indestructible and flexible paperback that can catalog any books you can afford. Save that, a screen that doesn't trigger my epilepsy.
The pdf thing is just idiotic. I, and most nerds I know, read a lot of pdfs. If they would fix that, I would buy one in about a microsecond. And bravo on the fetishization point. Despite having read a ton of books, I cannot say I've ever noticed the smell of them in any way that I would recommend to others.
Whoa, you have books that give handjobs? Damn, I am not reading the right books!
Honestly, I think the Kindle is an awesome device, and the first step in the right direction, but I won't buy the current model.
I'm waiting for a full-color screen, so that I can read comics on it. There's plenty of reason to move to full-color if newspapers and magazines adopt this as standard tech - photos in newsprint are black and white because of printing price, on an e-reader they can easily be in color, as most magazines are, opening the audience well beyond the miniscule comics crowd.
This would greatly assist in answering the whole question the comics industry is facing now with rising print and distribution costs (complicated further by Diamond's new minimums). Marvel is expanding digital comics, and I'd rather take Zuda comics on the go to read than slog through them in the Flash browser on my computer screen. Opening a new avenue for comics (like was done with the iphone) is always a good thing for those looking to break into the industry, as their financial barrier to entry is significantly lowered.
So... that's my ideal reader - the Kindle 3.0, coming mid-2010 (or so I hope).
While I agree with most of your commentary about the book-fetishists, there's one point that wasn't covered in the comments you quoted, that would affect my desire to get an e-reader like device.
That would be the actual feel of the book in my hand. I'm not referring to the touch of the paper, or anything like that. I mean, pure and simple, how easily an open paperback book (and some trade paperback comics, and some smaller hardcover books) fits in one hand. You can flip it open, and it rests in that neat little nook formed by your thumb, balanced on your curled ring finger. It's a convenient position. It's comfortable, too.
My ideal e-reader, aside from the obvious color screens, pdf capable, yada yada yada, would actually be fold able. Like a laptop, except smaller. Heck, gimme a screen on each side if you're feeling ambitious.
two reasons why I'm not buying a kindle or that Sony-thing
and those have nothing to do with book-fetishism because righ now I'm reading loads of books on my Palm.
But
The point about why I love the Palm (Tungsten T) as a book-reading device is that I can carry it with me everywhere because it fits in my trouser-pocket. That means that whenerver I have more than, say, a minute of dead-time, I can whip out the Palm and continue reading where I was.
Those newfangled ebook-readers are much too big for carrying in my pocket.
That's the first no.
The second no is the business model. Sorry, but I'm not paying money for something I won't own. As is the case with these commercial ebooks. So, no money from me.
I've given away - literally - thousands of books. Every time I moved, I gave away at least several boxes and I've moved an average of once every couple of years. And I only gave most of them away because I had no room for them. Finally, in my year 2000 move, I made a really big purge. And, at the time, I cursed the fact that I couldn't have digital copies of all of them.
I've been waiting for what seems like a decade for the right thing to come along. I spent a couple of hundred bucks on one of the first models of e-reader that weighed two pounds, but now I need 2 things...and one of them is for my reader not to be a separate device.
There are quite nice little laptops that have made the news lately - under 3 pounds and less than $400. Someone needs to put a swivel screen on one of them and optimize it for e-books. I spend all day reading web pages, I hardly think adding book pages will make my retina burn any worse. I DO NOT want a separate device to read my books.
And I want to own them, as well. I don't need to be able to copy them. I'm fine with only having access to one file of a work. But I have to be able to move it to an infinite number of devices. If I want to read it on my damn phone, while I'm at the doctor's office, then that's my prerogative.
I've read books off of a little Sony clamshell device years ago. I'm pretty sure the screen on an ATT Tilt is better than that was then. I've read .pdf books on my laptop and I was fine with that, as well. But I don't buy many because you can't MOVE them.
Yeah, newspapers and magazines can go. But when the Kindle is obsolete - and it may not be as long as you think it will be - all those books may be gone. I want to be able to put all my reading material on a little memory stick, or on a laptop and maybe keep a few on my phone.
Oh yeah, some kind of backup allowance would be good, too. A restore of some sort that wouldn't actually need to be another real copy.
I GET copyright. I am all FOR copyright protection. And, still, I want to OWN whatever it is I'm buying, to be able to keep it for years and years just like a real book, without having to worry that I'll have to buy more copies later when a file format becomes obsolete. There's gotta be some way to make that work.
And I'm just gonna wait for it.
When I get desperate for something to read in the middle of the night, I can download e-books from my library. I don't even have to return them, they expire in seven days. And their copyrights are respected because the library will only allow downloads at one time of as many copies as they paid for. If all of them are out, I have to wait for one to become available. And this is how it should work.
It's been way too fucking long. We should have had all of this straightened out years ago.
And what really steams me is that there are STILL people saying that the demand isn't there or people just don't "get" e-books. It's the freaking industries that never got it right, both the publishing and the electronic industries.
The Kindle is remarkable for what it's brought in terms of ease of use. And that needs to be continued. But it still doesn't meet the big two obstacles that are keeping a lot of people from jumping on the bandwagon. No separate devices required and let me read it wherever I want.
Zinio is a great start in this direction for magazines. It's about as close as you can get to replicating the experience of looking at hard copy. Going to their website and ordering the subscriptions is a no brainer.
They're not so great for books yet, but even if they get it right,I'd like to be assured that any new file formats could be converted to something standard, in case the new format became obsolete. In any case, I'd like to see that direction pursued - development of software to work on existing hardware.
"Whoa, you have books that give handjobs? Damn, I am not reading the right books!"
Those would be the Anais Nin titles.
""Warm embrace"? Jesus Murphy, am I the only person who doesn't need a goddam handjob from my reading material?"
Yes. Yes, you are.
The only real killer is the .PDF incompatibility.
Seriously -- .PDF was CREATED to have a document that could be read on any machine. You actually have to go out of your way to make in incompatible.
Fix it. You'll sell a ton more of those.
I like 'em. I like the Sony more, mind. And I'll be buying an ebook reader Real Soon Now.
Having said that, two things do seriously worry me about them:
1) Format obselescence. Having books that only the Kindle can read is great until your Kindle breaks and they haven't been made for three years. I still re-read books I bought 25 years ago, and I'm pretty young. I don't think I have a single file from 18 years ago that my computer can still read.
DRM just makes that problem worse.
2) Lending. I lend a lot of books. I borrow a lot of books. Now, maybe that makes me an Evil Copyright Criminal, but I'd like to keep being able to lend a friend the New Hot Thing. And that's not great for authors either, because I've lost track of the number of writers I've discovered via borrowed books.
Honestly, there's nothing I can say about this that Douglas Adams didn't say better years ago. "The Salmon of Doubt" has an excellent essay on the advantages of books, and what an ebook reader would need to do to catch up. Admittedly, the technology has advanced a great deal since he wrote it, but his points still hold up pretty well even with the current generation of the technology.
(And omigod, I actually got "Accio" as my verification word! I feel like I should wave my wand as I type it in, and shout, "Accio Comment!")
The main thing about PDF compatibility is that it wasn't designed as a universal display format; the intent was that you could print it off from any machine, and get the same document no matter what.
Recently Adobe tried to rejigger PDF into an ebook format, but frankly, it's absolutely terrible for use on portable devices, because their screens just aren't big enough to display an exact replica of the original page.
But for the most part, the Kindle is nice. I'd been thinking about getting one, and am thinking even more seriously about it now that they've upgraded it to a version that will actually hold my entire library, once I convert it from the MS Reader files on my PDA. (Yes, DRM is evil, but it can also be worked around. ;))
Normal human reactions. They have spun their little webs of affinity with their dead objects. When they themselves die (of old age), the next generations will not have the same attachments. But for the digital book to succeed it needs to be a lot more flexible (no, not bendy) but able to show txt files, pdfs, htmls etc (and you should be able to store other fields on it like a USB stick), having them choke full of DRM (Digital Restrictions Management) is not really a selling point.
Within the next 10 years we will likely see OLED designs, which would likely mean you can bend them.
And the need to be cheaper.
I love how, whenever someone puts up a post like this, the same old objections come up:
It needs batteries!
You can't bend it!
You can't trade it!
It can't read PDF!
Yeah, well. You can convert PDF to .mobi, albeit with varying degrees of success. I don't see any particular need to bend it. The batteries last a couple weeks, if you keep the wireless off when you're not using it. And I think John capably handled the trade thing.
There are certain aspects of books that people get hung up on. But I could make the same list about paper books from the perspective of a Kindle owner: They don't get internet access! They take up so much room, and weigh a ton! They're harder to read one-handed! You have to physically go somewhere to buy them!
It's absolutely just fetishism. I love books, and I buy a ton of them. But I live in a tiny little apartment that's already overstuffed with shelves of paperbacks, and my commute means I don't always have time to go to a library or a bookstore. The Kindle's been a godsend.
They've been said before, but I'll repeat what I'd want in the Ultimate e-book reader.
Color.
First-sale doctrine (aka 17 USC s109) applied instead of this DRM morass.
Really, that's about it.
Folks, I pay my bills as a professional librarian. I like books. I can list a handful of reasons while books will still be around for at least another couple of generations (and why the internet won't kill libraries, just change them - but that's a digression.) But most of the reasons for not liking the kindle - for PREFERRING hard-copy print that's collated, bound and covered - boil down to the same sorts of arguments as other generations had about new-fangled inventions. "I prefer horses to the horseless carriage." "If man was supposed to fly he'd have wings." so on, so forth.
By the way - some advantages of books:
- Very Large Displays. While I use googlemaps a lot, there's a reason atlases are printed so large. Blueprints fall partially into this category.
- Multiple Simultaneous Displays. Yes, I can keep multiple items open at the same time on my desktop, plus tabs and so forth.
- Emergencies and non-powered situations. Blueprints hit this category more than the VLD. Any document that HAS to be available regardless of how long it's been since opened falls into this category.
On the PDF point: compared to other text media, PDFs are huge and take a lot of processing power to reformat. And they do have to be reformatted to fit such a small screen. PDFs are meant to be viewed as full sized paper and printed as such. I'm guessing nobody who's complaining about lack of PDF support has ever tried reading a PDF on one of these devices. Even a reformatted "eBook" PDF is hard to read and frustrating to navigate. This is where conversion utilities come in handy. They exist for every major OS, are easy to use and take very little time. Problem solved.
I use the Sony Reader and will continue to do so until somebody comes out with a color eInk display. Why? Because Sony's created an open format ebook reader. It kills me just to say that, I mean this is Sony, but they actually did a great job on that front.
Because Sony's created an open format ebook reader. It kills me just to say that, I mean this is Sony, but they actually did a great job on that front.
Out of curiosity, what did they do that the Kindle didn't?
My wife and I have the Sony Readers from a few years back, and love them. The only real complaint I have is that its really difficult to read pdfs on it. I have poor eyes, and pdfs are quite small. SOmeone with excellent vision might be able to read it, but I'm not that person.
Most of the books we have are Word documents, which work just fine on the Sony Readers. They have advantages over the Sony file type in that its easy to resize them. It is possible to add those files to a friend's device if the friend has a similar device, so you can lend and share books. My wife and I can read the same book at the same time this way.
I live outside the US and can't buy English books. Its not possible to buy books from the Sony store outside North America (big disadvantage), but its easy to download them. Most of my collection is stuff I already own in paper form, so I don't feel too bad. Its too big for a pocket, but I think most books are. This thing is portable and convenient, and a lot better than reading off the laptop.
Yeah, I love the thing
The second edition is shipping in two weeks with some small upgrades and my fabulous spouse just bought me one for my upcoming birthday!
Maybe it can even help our little 900 sf house keep up with the book storage demands of our Mom-Dad-Tween family! My son is rapidly encroaching on MY bookshelves!
I bought a kindle after a long ocean cruise where I kept on wishing I had brought more books. Since I got it I have read more books by about 50% than I did before because I can take it with me and take advantage of the 15 minutes waiting for something. I read it at the gym on the elliptical trainer.
Amazon has the backup facility in that they will download a fresh copy of anything you have ever purchased. I don't know if it applies to newspapers etc. but it does for books.
The biggest problem I have with it right now is that the table of contents software in practice limits you to as many book titles as you are willing to page through. The recently used sorting makes it manageable but reading a list is different than keeping stacks of books or folders. Minor problem
see also http://johnaugust.com/archives/2009/horses-and-books for comments about trains, planes, cars, and horses.
You can disregard if it you want, but the fact that I won't own my property -- and the fact that I have to pay a $360 premium, plus a per-item premium, to not own my property -- are deal-killers for me.
Another aspect of this that no one's addressed: I have a library in the room above my attic. A couple thousand titles. When my kids are of reading age, they'll be able to go upstairs and be surrounded by books awaiting their discovery. It's an entirely different experience to do that, versus flipping on Yet Another Electronic Device.
Last, but not least, the 'Will Amazon be around in 50 years? my books surely will' question. Walmart's DRM follies with its MP3s is instruction enough for anyone who cares to listen.
Kindle as a backup, a digital copy of an analog book? Sure, I could go for that. Kindle as a primary source? Thank you, no.
Im going to commit a cardinal sin, and mention the reason why I own a sony reader (Im Canadian, no thats not the sin, despite what your mother told you!) its book piracy. Do I spend money on books, you betcha! I spent money on Scott Siglers Contagious a few weeks ago, something I could get for free through his podcast, but I am going to say other than Scott's Contagious, World War Z by Max Brooks, and When All Hell Breaks loose by Cody Lundin, I haven't bought many books in a while. And yet I have read a whole slew of books since I got my reader. And not all of them came from Project Gutenberg. About 75% of the books I have on my reader are pirated, much like 75% of the audio/video on my ipod is pirated (well actually perhaps less... I got a lot of podiobooks, which are not pirated works last I checked). If I got a knock on the door from the copyright police there probably would be no trial I would be just taken out back and shot. But the reason I got my reader was simply because I could easily read the books I wanted to read without having a physical copy, if that meant the work was pirated, so be it. I won't justify myself by saying costs are too high or I don't make enough money as I have an Ipod and a Reader each which ran me just over $300 so it really wouldn't fly. I maybe could use the space argument I hate clutter and weight (moving with a metric tonne of books sucks, note I have never owned a metric tonne, but it always feels like you do when you move) but screw it no justification... Im an evil pirate, and thats why I own a sony reader.
You can disregard if it you want, but the fact that I won't own my property -- and the fact that I have to pay a $360 premium, plus a per-item premium, to not own my property -- are deal-killers for me.
Except it's a per-item discount, not a per-item premium.
Last, but not least, the 'Will Amazon be around in 50 years? my books surely will' question. Walmart's DRM follies with its MP3s is instruction enough for anyone who cares to listen.
There are tools to prevent that from being an issue. Their legality depends on your jurisdiction, of course.
Jon said
"Another aspect of this that no one's addressed:"
Yes, someone did, saying they take up a ton of space.
No Lyle Jantzi, problem is not solved if one has to run programs to convert it.
PDF is a crappy format yes, but its there and they should deal with it natively.
But of course a proper ebook reader has a page the size of A4 not a small hard to read display.
And of course it should have the ability to zoom in and out of the page, either by using a touch screen or buttons along the size.
As for Kindle, I don't know it, it seems to limiting for me wanting to try it - guess we have to wait until Google makes one.
Btw,
Interesting observation: It costs the New York Times a LOT more money printing a paper issue to their subscribers - if they were to stop doing that and buy a Kindle for all their subscribes, and give it to them for free - they would save money.
That ultimately is a threat to books, it becomes to expensive to make them.
Give them a Kindle?
This is bizarre - I had a dream last night about owning a Kindle. And I'm curious about the new generation of readers.
There are books I want in paper format, of course, but I own a lot of books that I keep just for reference purposes, and having them in electronic, notatable, format instead of cluttering up my very small house sounds like a good thing to me.
That said, I do find the dusty paper scent of older books soothing.
I don't have a problem with Kindle, but I spend so much of my time looking at a computer screen for work and my main hobby that when I'm pleasure reading I don't want to be also staring at a computer screen. I want to feel relaxed.
As a teacher, though, I think the Kindle has great potential in the classroom. Think of the money we could save if every kid had one? No more textbooks to lug around. No more kids showing up without them. So I say yay for the future on that one.
But I won't be getting one at home.
It's not like staring at a computer screen at all. E-ink looks pretty much like paper. I stare at a computer all day, and then I read the Kindle on the metro, and the latter is much easier on my eyes.
Anyone who has doubts about the screen, see if you can find a bookstore that's selling the Sony Readers--Borders usually has them on display. At first, you will literally think it's a paper stand-in, until you hit a button and it updates the screen.
@ Andrew Timson:
Discount? If I buy a paperback, it's $5.99 (rarely) to $8.99 (increasingly common, ack.)
$9.99/title is, last I checked, more.
@ Stellar Drift:
Not the same thing. For that person, space is a motivating concern. For me, space is not an issue; having my kids exposed to books in their 'natural' habitat is a motivating concern.
Discount? If I buy a paperback, it's $5.99 (rarely) to $8.99 (increasingly common, ack.)
$9.99/title is, last I checked, more.
It's $9.99/title for hardcovers, which would be costing you upwards of $25. In my experience, mass market paperbacks are no more than cover price, and are usually discounted about 20%. And when a title goes from hardcover to paperback, the Kindle price is reduced appropriately.
@ Andrew Timson:
Thanks!
When driving was still something that was fun for me, I exclusively owned stick shifts. Automatics were too much about getting from Point A to Point B. Too utilitarian. No joy.
Then I had kids, and driving became about something else entirely. I was done with sticks, and appreciated all the work the automatics did for me.
Likewise books. I could wax for hours about font choices, or why the trade paperback is the ideal book size.
What I thought I would hate most about the Kindle turns out to be its biggest feature: Every book looks the same. Sure, I'm missing some aesthetic beauty, but reading itself is so much easier on my eyes.
And while it's true that I can't give Kindle books away, I *can* share an account with five friends whose reading tastes are similar to mine. Sure, the cost benefit of that is nice, but simply having vetted books appear on my Kindle is even nicer.
I would get on board with Kindle if the Economist were available on the device, but all of my research to date has shown that it currently is not. Once it is, I will get the device.
I worked for RCA when they developed their EBook Reader about a decade ago, and LOVED it. Once while on an airplane, I showed it to one fellow, who showed it to someone behind him on the aisle, and the darned thing made a tour of the cabin for about 20 minutes.I could never understand why people didn't snap them up in droves. Bad marketing, I suppose...
While I don't carry a separate reader anymore, I always have at least five books loaded onto my Treo.
There are books that I don't buy electronically...those that I know I'll keep, those that I want to mark up (yes, I know you can highlight electronically, but it' just not the same to me), and books that I'll use as reference, for example.
Still, it's a wonderful thing to have the books that you're reading at your fingertips at all times without lugging around extra equipment.
The problem with the Kindle is price. Considering the vig Amazon's gotta be making off every book and sub, the device needs to be a lot cheaper than it is, because at this point, the same money'll buy you a netbook.
Yes, I know it's not the same thing, but the point still stands. Kindle is overpriced by a minimum of $100.
Why does every debate about this stuff become a contest between "I am a person of refined sensibilities" and "I am a super-tough forward-thinking badass"?
Now, people do this, but more than, say, two a year? Seriously?
Two hundred a year would be a extreme lowball estimate for my family.
It's 359 dollars, and then new books are around 10 bucks. I usually spend no more than 2 bucks on a book. So. I will take the handjobs, despite the paper cuts. Kindle is still the devil.
Kindles don't smell nice.
I don't like the Kindle because it's an expensive, DRM riddled gizmo that eats electricity. Know what's not got DRM? Books. also, they don't eat batteries. And frankly, if I'm paying $350 for a book, it better give me a handjob.
Meanwhile, if I want to get a headache reading ebooks, I can download an app to my iPod for .99 cents.
"And no one's taking away your books! Just like, if you let us build Supertrains, no one will come and take your car!"
Y'know, just because someone doesn't like your doodad, doesn't mean they are taking it away from you, either.
Your anti-backlash backlash is silly, your mood is silly, and you should feel silly about it. Also, I'm quite silly.
You noe what i like about books, you can treat them with acid and make high explosives out of the paper. You can then blow annoying people up. Can you do that with your Kindle? Huh?
I'm warming up to the Kindle, especially when I look around my house and see the bookshelves that are going to collapse if I put so much as one more book on them.
What's holding me back is (1) the price of the reader and (2) the certain knowledge that the format WILL be obsolete in 10 years at the most, a new reader will be a bitch to find if you can find them at all, and all that dough I'd spent thinking I was getting a bargain will have bought me the memory of something I read once. The stuff I love will all need to be repurchased in a new format.
See, there used to be these things called "record albums"....
Like so many others, I'm hung up on the initial price and the price of the books. (For the person who described it as a price discount, how many "discounted" items do you need to buy before you've recouped the cost of the reader? If I'm going to be re-investing in a new reader every 2 years even at the rate I read either the price of the books or the price of the reader has to come way down.) I also hate the idea of having to deal with the DRM - yes there are ways around it but you can't argue that it's a barrier.
But as a compulsive reader I am never without a book. Yes, I love the idea of my entire library in a small package, when I whine about price I should factor in the externialities like chiropractic work. But books don't care about vibrations. They don't mind being thrown onto a bike and rattled around 20 minutes twice a day 5 days a week. They don't mind when my mind-boggling ability to constantly drop things lands them on the floor. They stand up to being stuffed into bags and pockets and having to share the ride with other objects. I've killed 3 music players in as many years, and I take my music with me far fewer places than I take my books.
Strangely, I'm seeing a lot more defense of the Kindle than damnation of it. I may travel in the wrong circles, media-consumption-wise.
Or just different ones.
I don't want a Kindle, but I *know* I'm a grumpy old man deep down inside.
For the person who described it as a price discount, how many "discounted" items do you need to buy before you've recouped the cost of the reader?
Assuming that you buy only hardcovers, an average retail of $25 (which is probably low), an average discount on the print versions of 34% on Amazon (which is probably slightly high), and an ebook retail of $10 each: about 56 books,
I certainly read at least that much in two years, if not all hardcovers. And while the device may not necessarily pay for itself outright, I find that the convenience is also worth a certain pricetag. :)
I grew up with SF authors writing stuff about the sterile future where everyone would read from a data screen of some sort and only old fashioned antiquarians would actually still enjoy the more tactile sensations of holding a bound book in their hands. I think Robert A Heinlein did about seven pounds of screed on this subject, through the larynxes of various of his Old Reprobate characters like Jubal Harshaw and Lazarus Long.
So I'm inclined to sympathize with that point of view, it's part of my childhood programming.
Having said all that, back when I was still writing for AMAZING ADVENTURES, I'm sure the rag would have liked to get a plug from you, given that its publishers and editors are bound and determined to find some way to make an e format work (since they can't afford actual paper and ink publishing). But I don't write for them any more (I dislike people who promise to pay me, and then don't) so, I don't much care.
If I spill coffee on a first-run hardcover I have a stained but still perfectly usable item with an investment somewhere in the $20 to $40 range.
If I spill on a Kindle I have a $360 (give or take) piece of plastic. Sure the media is safely secured somewhere in the cloud (Amazon better plan on backing up those servers into perpetuity) for easy retrieval but as you have already deduced, I won't pay that much for something that fragile that only does one thing particularly well.
Give it a color screen, (Makes magazines completely irrelevant save for cutting out letters for old school ransom letters) open up some (Not All) of the DRM handcuffs, and find a reasonable way to deal with the PDF demon. Namely, a "workaround" that takes no effort on the consumer end. Something of the "scroll and enlarge" type should be a familiar user experience. Finally, bring the point of entry down into the $100 to $150 range or offer "insurance" similiar to the types of coverage offered on mobile phones.
If we can manage that, I'll take two ;)
Btw, ROGERS - if you read back, have a look at this prototype:
Now that's the kind of reader which will replace books one day :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0znv3V-GsNk&feature=related.
@marc: Your description of taking a kindle with you wherever you go and reading it during brief periods of waiting for things? That's what I do with books. :) I bring a book to the bank with me and read it in line, I bring a book to lunch with me and eat while I read, I bring books to work and read a page or two every time it slows down. I'd feel a little nervous about doing that with a $350 piece of consumer electronics.
I know I already commented on this thread, but have two more points to make.
1) I recently spent 16 hours in airports and airplanes, each way. I had four thick paperbacks with me. I was finished in eight hours. Yes, I read that fast. I did some other things, but could easily have gotten through a dozen paperbacks on that trip - or any of the others I'm scheduled to do in the near future. Unfortunately there are limits to carry-on luggage. I want a Kindle or its equivalent.
2) I have a suspicion that someone will rediscover King Camp Gillette's brilliance. To wit, "Give away the razor, sell the blades." While Amazon's ideally situated for this there are many competing publishers and distributors who could seize the moment. As others have noted, $350 (or in some cases as "little" as $275 for the Sony) is not casual change for most people - not in one lump sum. But most of us who read at all will happily forgo even more in bits and dribbles over a year. If and when somebody puts this marketing mechanism into play the ebook will explode.
"You noe what i like about books, you can treat them with acid and make high explosives out of the paper. You can then blow annoying people up. Can you do that with your Kindle? Huh?"
You also can't use a kindle to hide digging implements for your prison break, or stash a silenced gun in it.
Still, I wouldn't mind having one, especially for the non-fiction stuff I read. The lack of a search function for books when you want too look up references can be seriously annoying.
@ Andrew Timson Assuming that you buy only hardcovers, an average retail of $25 (which is probably low).
I bought 2 hardcover books in the last year, I've bought over 20 paperback books in the last two months. I'm not by any means afraid of the future but there are huge disadvantages to the kindle which aren't reconciled by theoretically buying only hardcover books.
One is that it costs 400 dollars, which if prolonged exposure to a screen from less than a foot away didn't hurt my eyes/cause mild seizures in my case, would still make me nervous to take it anywhere. I wouldn't quite trust myself to travel with it as I'm rough with my toys. Even if I was gentle I tend to lose or misplace things and if I lose a book then all I'm out is 7-13 bucks, if I lose a kindle I lose about half a months pay(I'm in school) and every book I bought on said kindle.
That being said I'm looking forward to fourth gen e-books. If you work out nanotech and supermaterials you could make a book like object(Think the primer in Stephenson's "Diamond Age") that costs roughly 10 bucks, weighs a pound, and can go up to two thousand pages(or in smaller installments). Then use whatever the equivalent of an SD card will be to pay for limited DRM books costing about 6 bucks(if the paper is what costs so much then they don't need to sell it for the same prices)and hold every book you own in a natural feeling interface that, truth be told, didn't cost that much.
-SH.
Just a week before Christmas I told my father that "I just don't think I could get into a Kindle. I like books, the feel of paper, getting under blanket with a book and bottle of wine late at night to read. I think I'd miss that with a Kindle."
(And, yeah, I agree - that does make me sort of a fetishist, but I don't really care.)
Then my sister gave me a Kindle for Christmas. It took me about half and hour to completely change my mind. Not only can you get your newspapers and magazines sent to you immediately, wherever you are, not only can you carry around tons of books (I tend to read several at once, depending on my immediately mood), but if - like me -- you spend a lot of time online reading text-heavy blogs (as opposing to video) you can surf your favorite websites almost anywhere.
And, not for nothing, but you can get access to some rare and old books -- usually just for pennies -- that you can't find in a normal store. I've downloaded an old H.L. Mencken (whom I've never seen carried at my local Barnes and Noble) and The Collected Works of J. Jiddu Krishnamurti (ditto).
I've been curious to read something by these last two, but never curious enough to go through the effort of ordering something by them and then waiting for it to be delivered. But with the Kindle I could get them both in about 60 seconds and pay less than a dollar for each.
I'm part of the 'don't get the appeal of the Kindle' thing, but not through any dead tree book fetishism (those suckers are *heavy* in any quantity, and take up huge amounts of physical space which I don't have, mainly because all those physical books I already own have occupied it all)
..it's that thanks to Apple finally convincing the rest of the phone manufacturers that yes people *will too* buy a phone sized large enough to give it a decent display by bludgeoning them upside the head with the iPhone, I now have a perfectly usable e-book reader (for many many different formats both drm'd and open, including html and raw text), that is also a phone, 3G videophone, GPS navigation device, FM Radio, mobile web browser (Opera ftw!), music player, video player (anything in h264 encoded for iPods plays perfect), digital camera and pocket computer, that has a screen that's plenty good enough for me, at least, to read novels on.
So sure, that phone wasn't cheap, not at all (that expensive Kindle? lots cheaper) and the fact that Windows Mobile lurks somewhere underneath the snazzy UI is enough to send a true phone afficiando into spasms of gibbering horror, but now instead of having a bunch of gizmos I might want to take with me somewhere, I have just one and I probably would have had to have taken it anyway due to it being the phone. Adding a Kindle when I've got it all down to one device, is just crazy talk.
Of course there's an additional reason why the Kindle has never been in the running for me. That's because you simply can't buy it and nor does it work over here in .uk. Designing a thing around a wireless standard that only works in America, does rather limit your potential market.
Then again that model of phone isn't officially available in the US and uses a set of 3G frequencies that America doesn't, so I guess we're kinda even :)
I'm not reading through the comments to see if it's been mentioned or not, but on the K2, one of the "experimental" features is direct PDF support.
Now, if you'll read the Amazon page, you'll see WHY they put direct PDF support into the "experimental" area. PDFs have built in formating, and I'm no just talking fonts here, but PDF is the "portable document format" and its designed to make documents look exactly the same, no matter what device you're looking at them on. This built in formatting breaks when the K2's text enlargement features are used.
infinite jest isn't available on the kindle.
"If I spill on a Kindle I have a $360 (give or take) piece of plastic. "
Put it in a ziploc baggy. Or two, if you're really paranoid.
I think the Kindle is a wonderful interim step on the way to truly awesome portable electronic information technology. I look forward to the day (may I live long enough) where one can pack a simple fiber-layered-optic scroll (or booklet) into your backpack, take the shuttle to Mars and have a year's worth of reading in case your engineering fellowship necessitates a side-trip to Titan, where the library system still suffers from server lag. For now, though, I work in a specialty bookshop, and Amazon and the Kindle are the enemy of exploration. They're fabulous if you know what you want. They can't help you find "just something to read" (but you don't know what until you see it on the shelf.)
I answer you in my own blog post:
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Buktikan khasiat obat kutil kelamin kami yang terbuat dari bahan alami asli indonesia tanpa efek samping dan sangat manjur. Penderita penyakit ini tentunya bertanya-tanya, bagaimana caranya untuk menyembuhkan penyakit ini cukup di rumah saja dan tidak perlu repot-repot harus ke dokter. Atau ada beberapa alasan lainya yang menyebabkan seseorang tidak ingin menceritakan penyakitnya ini, dan anda jangan khawatir karena anda tidak sendirian dalam permasalahan ini.
Kutil yang terjadi pada organ kelamin ini adalah penyakit yang disebabkan oleh virus menular bernama APV atau Human Papilloma Virus. Virus ini dapat ditularkan melalui kulit atau kontak kulit. Hal ini berarti bahwa seseorang bisa tertular virus ini HPV melalui hubungan seksual dan meski sudah menggunakan kondom. Biasanya penderita juga tidak menunjukkan tanda sedang mengalami penyakit kutil kelamin, sehingga hal ini juga mungkin orang lain untuk mendapatkan kutil kelamin dari penderita yang tidak memiliki tanda-tanda kutil kelamin tersebut. Misalnya jika pasanganya anda memiliki salah satu
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Dari membaca informasi di atas, seharusnya sudah jelas bahwa sangat mudah seseorang terkena virus ini yang kemudian dapat menyebabkan pertumbuhan kutil pada alat kelamin. Kutil yang tumbuh pada alat kelamin ini juga bukanlah penyakit hina yang membuat anda merasa rendah diri dan malu untuk mengkonsultasikanya, apalagi jika ini masih berupa gejala awal, karena banyak penderita yang mengalami pertumbuhan kutil ini pada beberapa bagian alat kelaminya.
Jadi jika anda bertanya-tanya bagaimana dapat menyembuhkan penyakit ini dari rumah, maka yakinlah saja pengobatan itu ada karena sudah banyak penderita yang menyembuhkan penyakitnya ini dari rumah. Sebenarnya juga ada beberapa alasan kenapa penderita lebih memilih penyembuhan penyakitnya ini dari rumah, yang diantaranya adalah :
1. Malu
Ada sejumlah besar rasa malu yang terkait dengan semua PMS, salah satunya adalah kutil kelamin ini. Untuk alasan inilah mungkin anda ingin menyingkirkan kutil kelamin secepat mungkin tanpa harus memberitahu siapa pun, dan hal ini adalah wajar dan dapat dimengerti.
2. Privasi
Pekerjaan anda mungkin yang berhubungan dengan kantor atau dokter, sehingga ingin menyimpan penyakit ini dari catatan medis Anda.
3. Waktu
Mengobati penyakit ini dari rumah memang lebih efektif rasanya di jaman sekarang. Anda mungkin harus menunggu beberapa minggu untuk janji dokter dan kemudian harus kembali untuk banyak menindaklanjuti perawatan. Tapi jika anda menyembuhkan penyakit kutil Anda ini di rumah, perawatan dapat dilakukan lebih segera.
jual obat de Nature Indonesia ampuh dan herbal Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 442 0060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249.Dari namanya saja kita sudah tahu bahwa pengertian dari penyakit ini adalah pertumbuhan kutil yang terjadi pada organ vital atau alat kelamin manusia dengan mengidap penyakit yang seperti ini tentunya juga akan membuat penderitanya merasa sangat malu hingga bisa juga
berujung dengan frustasi maka dari hal itu bisa disimpulkan bahwa konsekuensi dari penyakit ini bukan hanya dapat berdampak pada fisik tetapi juga emosi penderitanya Menyangkut masalah emosi ini maka paling utama yang dipertaruhkan adalah hubungan seksual penderita dengan pasanganya Jika
sudah begitu maka apa lagi hal paling utama yang harus dilakukan selain dengan pengobatan yang ampuh Penjelasan di atas sedikit banyak juga sudah menyiratkan arti bahwa penyakit ini disebabkan oleh hubungan seksual atau seks oral yang pernah dilakukan penderita terhadap
orang yang terinfeksi dan secara lebih khusus lagi dikatakan bahwa penyebab utama penyakit ini adalah virus HPV atau human papillomavirus yang sangat menular Ada banyak jenis HPV yang diduga menjadi penyebab terjadinya penyakit ini dan sekali lagi kami katakana bahwa
pengobatan secara dini adalah hal yang harus anda lakukan jika sedang terkena penyakit ini Khususnya jika penderita penyakit ini adalah wanita maka biasanya daerah pertumbuhan kutil terjadi di bagian vagina vulva atau perineum anus dan leher rahim Gejala yang terlihat
pada penderita bukan hanya dari penampilan kutilnya saja yang seperti kembang kol tapi pertumbuhan kulit yang terjadi di sekitar anus dan daerah vagina ini juga akan dirasakan gatal atau sensasi terbakar oleh penderita gejala paling parah mungkin penderita akan
mengalami perdarahan selama atau setelah hubungan seksual Perlu juga diketahui bahwa virus HPV ini tidak akan menimbulkan masalah kesuburan tetapi jika penderita mengidap penyakit kutil ini selama kehamilan maka akan sangat tidak nyaman dan berisiko Penderita yang sedang hamil juga
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Cara herbal mengatasi kutil kelamin secara ampuh hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249. pertumbuhan kutil kelamin lebih sering terjadi dalam kelompok dan dapat terakumulasi menjadi ukuran yang lebih besar pada jaringan genital. Kutil juga sering kembali muncul setelah pengobatan, hal-hal itu tergantung pada faktor-faktor, seperti ukuran dan lokasi tempat pertumbuhan kutil. Untuk menyembuhkan penyakit kutil ini dapat diberlakukan dalam beberapa cara.
Sedangkan penundaan berkepanjangan untuk mengobati penyakit ini dapat menyebabkan kutil semakin berakar dalam, anda juga perlu tahu bahwa setiap kutil itu sangat menular. Gejala yang dialami penderita mungkin terdiri dari beberapa letupan, dan jika penyakit ini tidak di obati untuk waktu yang lama maka ada kemungkinan kutil tersebut tidak merespon pengobatan oral atau topical, maka salah satunya jalan adalah melalui operasi. Maka mengetahui betapa rumitnya pengobatan penyakit ini seharusnya menerbitkan kesimpulan penting pada diri kita untuk mendapatkan perawatan infeksi genital secara dini, karena penyakit ini sangat menular dan mungkin anda dapat menyebarkan infeksi kepada orang lain.
Karena banyak penderita yang malu terlibat dalam pembicaraan tentang penyakit kutil kelamin HPV ini, maka mayoritas penderita kutil kelamin laki-laki dan perempuan biasanya tidak tahu apa jenis perawatan tepat yang dapat digunakan untuk kutil tersebut, khususnya pengobatan yang dapat digunakan secara privasi rumah mereka. Selain itu juga diketahui bahwa apapun jenis pengobatan yang dicoba oleh setiap penderita penyakit ini, belum ada yang benar-benar ampuh untuk menyembuhkan penderita sampai semua virus penyakitnya hilang.
Pengobatan herbal dengan menggunakan obat ampuh yang sudah terbukti khasiatnya de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit kutil kelamin yang terjadi selama masa kehamilan dapat menjadi sumber keprihatinan paling utama bagi ibu hamil. Ada kemungkinan juga bahwa kutil kelamin selama kehamilan dapat diteruskan kepada bayi. Dan pilihan Pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk wanita hamil berbeda daripada yang tersedia untuk perempuan lain.
Jika seorang wanita yang sedang hamil mengalami penyakit ini juga merasakan gejala yang lebih buruk. Hal ini utamanya dikarenakan sistem kekebalan tubuh penderita secara alami ditekan selama masa kehamilan ini, hingga membuat penderita lebih rentan terhadan virus dan infeksi. Akibatnya penderita mungkin menemukan bahwa kutilnya akan tumbuh lebih besar.
Yang menjadi penyebab utamanya adalah human papillomavirus (HPV). Tapi mayoritas wanita hamil dengan riwayat HPV memiliki kehamilan yang sehat dan pengalaman melahirkan. Tapi yang paling ditakutkan karena virus ini dapat ditularkan sehingga penderita beresiko mengidapn kutil kelamin, dan wanita hamil yang mengalami penyakit ini bisa juga mengalami gangguan pada proses kehamilanya.
sudah terbukti ampuh obat dari kami untuk merontokan kutil kelamin dengan cara memakai obat herbal dari de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit Kutil kelamin adalah salah satu dari dua penyakit menular seksual yang paling sering menular, dan disebabkan oleh virus. Penyakit satunya lagi adalah herpes genital. Penyakit ini disebabkan oleh virus papiloma manusia sering disingkat sebagai HPV.
Penyakit kutil seperti luka yang muncul ini juga disebut dengan nama kondiloma acuminate. Kutil tumbuh dengan ukuran kecil, tampak seperti daging berwarna di daerah genital dan anal. Dan penelitian menunjukkan bahwa 10-40% wanita yang aktif secara seksual terinfeksi HPV, meskipun kehadiran HPV ini pada penderita tidak selalu disertai dengan munculnya kutil kelamin.
Jalur Penyebaran Kutil Kelamin
Kutil kelamin menyebar melalui kontak langsung dengan orang yang terinfeksi, seperti melalui vagina, anal, atau oral seks. Sekitar enam puluh persen orang yang melakukan kontak seksual dengan penderita kutil kelamin akan mengalami gejala, dan biasanya itu terjadi dalam waktu tiga bulan semenjak
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Virus papiloma masuk melalui lecet atau luka kecil di area kelamin yang terjadi selama aktivitas seksual. Setelah virus ini masuk, biasanya dibutuhkan sekitar tiga bulan untuk gejala pertama muncul, tetapi bisa juga memakan waktu lebih lama hingga bertahun-tahun.
Bukltikan khasiatnya obat herbal kutil kelamin de Nature Indonesia untuk pemesanan hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Kutil kelamin laki-laki tentunya penyakit menular seksual yang sangat umum terjadi di kalangan laki-laki saja, khususnya yang aktif secara seksual atau memiliki pasangan seksual yang lebih dari satu. Hal-hal seperti ini yang bisa menjadi resiko peningkatan kesempatan untuk menderita penyakit ini. Kutil kelamin di sebabkan oleh virus yang dikenal sebagai virus papiloma manusia (HPV). Bahkan, HPV bertanggung jawab untuk semua jenis kutil. Penelitian juga membuktikan bahwa HPV terdiri dari lebih 40 jenis. Beberapa sumber bahkan melaporkan lebih dari itu. Anda juga harus tahu virus dapat ditularkan melalui kontak langsung atau tidak langsung. Jadi Anda mungkin Anda mungkin saja tidak tahu darimana penyakit ini berasal sehingga menghinggapi tubuh anda.
Jika penyakit ini terjadi pada laki-laki, biasanya kondisi yang terjadi tidak seperti kondisi lainnya, penderita juga akan mengalami perubahan dalam kehidupan seksnya secara drastis. Kondisi ini kemudian menyebabkan penderita dihadapkan dengan banyak keputusan sulit, dan harus semakin berhati-hati jika mendapatkan mitra seksual baru. Artinya, jika Anda memiliki kontak seksual dengan pasangan yang terinfeksi, kemungkinan besar akan mengembangkan penyakit ini, dan biasanya itu terjadi dalam waktu tiga bulan. Karena itulah maka hal seperti ini yang harus sudah anda pikirkan dari sekarang, karena bisa saja anda mungkin tidak tahu sedang mengidap penyakit ini. Hal ini yang kemudian menyebabkan penyakit ini menyebar luas.
Untuk menemukan jenis pengobatan kutil kelamin yang benar-benar ampuh, kita tentunya harus melakukan hal yang sama oleh banyak orang pada umumnya. Dimulai dengan mencari ke berbagai toko obat untuk menemukan berbagai jenis obat itu yang bisa dalam bentuk krim, salep, atau beberapa jenis cairan lain yang diterapkan pada kulit penderita yang terkena. Jika pilihan medis yang dipilih, maka penderita akan mendapatkan pengobatan topical medis. Tapi penderita juga terkadang tidak memahami betul tentang penyakit ini, hanya tahu bahwa penyakit ini sudah membuat mereka tidak nyaman dan ingin secepatnya hilang dari kulit mereka. Tapi jika berbagai usaha kita untuk menemukan pengobatan ini ternyata tidak memberikan hasil yang memuaskan maka keputusan selanjutnya yang dipilih sebelum terlambat adalah segera memeriksakan diri ke dokter supaya bisa langsung menerima pengobatan dengan resep yang terkontrol. Biasanya pada saat itulah pasien akhirnya tahu bahwa yang menjadi penyebab penyakitnya ini adalah virus Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) dan nama penyakit ini juga dikenal dengan penyakit kondiloma acuminatum. Virus tersebut masuk ke dalam tubuh penderita melalui hubungan seksual dan obat yang biasanya akan diberikan dokter adalah obat topical kulit.
Jika Anda mengidap kutil kelamin, tentunya penghapusan kutil kelamin ini adalah apa yang ada di pikiran Anda sepanjang hari. Kutil juga tidak berbahaya bagi kesehatan Anda sehingga pengobatanya adalah pilihan anda sendiri, apakah ingin obat kutil kelamin atau tidak. Bahkan sebagian ahli medis yang melihat penyakit anda ini belum sebegitu parah hanya menyarankan supaya anda membiarkan penyakit ini akan hilang dengan sendirinya. Tapi jika kita perduli dengan kesehatan tentunya akan berpikir untuk segera mengetahui cara mengobati kutil kelamin menghilangkan penyakit ini jika sudah menginfeksi tubuh kita, ciri kutil kelamin yang berbahaya. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249
Kutil kelamin adalah penyakit yang sangat umum, dan bisa mempengaruhi lebih dari 5 juta pria, wanita dan anak-anak, seperti setiap tahun yang terjadi di Amerika Serikat. Penyakit ini memang jarang terjadi pada wanita yang sedang hamil, karena banyak penderita wanita yang mengalami penyakit ini setelah melahirkan. Tapi yang sangat disayangkan jika penyakit ini terjadi pada saat wanita sedang hamil tapi dia tidak pernah menyadari hal itu, dengan begitu maka akan ada kemungkinan penyakit akan terus berkembang menjadi lebih parah, satu-satunya jalan terbaik adalah dengan melakukan check up secara rutin, dan mencari penyebab kutil kelamin tersebut. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249
Yang menjadi penyebab penyakit ini adalah Virus papiloma manusia (HPV) yang bisa menyerang siapa saja tanpa pandang bulu, termasuk wanita hamil. Dan obat kutil kelamin mungkin sulit untuk di temukan di apotik di daerah anda. Dan sesungguhnya wanita hamil memiliki resiko yang lebih besar jika terkena penyakit ini karena dapat mempengaruhi pertumbuhan janin yang sedang dikandungnya. Segera cari tahu apa ciri kutil kelamin tersebut. Tapi jangan khawatir karena di jaman sekarang ini, pengobatan kutil kelamin sudah dikenal secara meluas, intinya anda harus segera menghubungi dokter terdekat jika sudah terkena penyakit ini.
Jika penyakit kutil kelamin yang sedang anda derita sudah termasuk sangat parah, maka tindakan selanjutnya yang harus dilakukan adalah mencari obat kutil kelamin. Ada beberapa cara yang dapat dilakukan, diantaranya adalah dengan metode konvensional menggunakan krim oles atau salep kutil kelamin, atau dapat juga penderita beralih ke obat resep dokter ketika mereka menemukan bahwa hasil metode konvensional ini kurang efektif. Khusus untuk pengobatan medis, biasanya metode ekstrem yang digunakan jika penyakit yang dialami penderita sudah semakin parah. Diantara beberapa metode pengobatan ekstrem tersebut adalah menggunakan CO2 atau operasi laser, di mana dokter akan menggunakan laser untuk membakar penyebab kutil kelamin. Metode pengobatan ini juga bisa sangat mahal, memakan waktu, dan menyakitkan atau cukup menakutkan. Metode pengobatan lainya yang adalah cryotherapy. Metode pengobatan ini melibatkan nitrogen cair untuk kutil yang akan membekukan kutil dari kulit. Lalu ada metode pengobatan Loop Electrosurgical Prosedur eksisi (LEEP), yang memanfaatkan alat berbilah berupa pisau yang berbentuk lingkaran. Alat ini dilewatkan sekitar dan di bawah setiap kutil untuk diangkat dari kulit. Tidak berbeda dengan metode pengobatan laser, metode pengobatan ini juga tergolong mahal. Selain itu belum ada jaminan bahwa obat mahal medis ini memang dapat menyembuhkan kutil kelamin secara tuntas, perlu kita ketahui bahwa kutil kelamin adalah penyakit yang sukar disembuhkan karena virus HPV yang menjadi penyebabnya sukar juga dihilangkan. Banyak pengobatan yang ada di jaman sekarang hanya dapat menghilangkan kutil, tapi tidak dengan virus penyebabnya.
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