Wednesday, February 07, 2007

I Stand With Amanda

As stated repeatedly, I rarely blog about political campaign process, or other bloggers. This latest situation, though, is beyond reprehensible, and deserves comment.

For those of you who don't live in political minutia, the John Edwards presidential campaign recently hired two bloggers, Amanda Marcotte from Pandagon and Melissa McEwan from Shakespeare's Sister, to act as coordinators and liasons for the netroots community. Both have built up sizable readerships and considerable name recognition without any institutional support, rich daddies, etc. Good hires. Good opportunities for two very committed, passionate activist writers. But they're staffers, nothing more.

Both tend to be a bit ... salty in their blog posts. As a man who's dropped a few "fuck"s into the conversation, I can't say they're beyond the pale for blog-discourse. Amanda in particular can be scathing when it comes to women's issues. She does not care much for the institutional policies of the Catholic Church as applied to birth control. Her views are certainly no more extreme than, say pretty much every American Catholic I know. (EDIT: Just to be clear -- Amanda is an atheist, and quite vocal about what she sees as undue influence by religious conservatives of ALL stripes. But the Catholic Church comes under no special consideration, and Catholics as individuals, never. My statement as to her similarity in birth control policy views to most American Catholics of my acquaintance, however, stands.)

Both have been targetted by a particularly spiffy assault by right wing fringies. Amanda gets right under the skin of Michelle Malkin, the semi-famous blogger whose main claim to fame is arguing that interning the Japanese during World War Two was not only a good thing, but we'd better start locking up Muslims toute suite. So, you know, working from very high moral ground. Essentially, she's been DynaGirl to Ann Coulter's ElectroWoman for years, and is just now starting to make her bones.

Malkin whipped her posse of fringe wingnuts into action. The sniping remained stalled in the realm of high-school jealousy and very poor attempts at satire. They read a bunch of Amanda's posts on v-logs, basically screamed that she was unhinged and uncivil (we'll get back to that). But just impotent childishness. Then William Donahue got in on the act.

William Donahue is the President of the Catholic League. He's on A.P., bitching and moaning that Edwards has hired "anti-Catholic bigots." A.P. hungrily sucked that tale up, and now even Time has run a story on this. Edwards is apparently considering firing Marcotte and Melissa based on this complaint.

Now wait one fucking minute.

William Donahue does not speak for Catholics. The Catholic League was founded in the early 70's to fight bigotry towards Catholics. Way to ride the curve. Maybe someday soon we'll have a Catholic President, if they keep up the good work. We can dream.

I've been an Irish Catholic my whole life, and I can honestly say the only time I ever encountered anything like "bigotry" was the occasional crack about priests raping little boys. Just as a sidebar, I'd personally suggest the Catholic Church could have more effectively fought this "bigotry" by not, say, making it an institutionally approved policy to actively cover up for priests who rape little boys. But hey, that's why I don't have a bishopric. The League is considered fringy and right-wing by most Catholics.

But the same thing that keeps Donohue in the press prevents him from becoming truly respectable within the religious community, where his antics are a source of frequent consternation.

Mark Silk, director of the Center for the Study of Religion in Public Life at Trinity College said, "He's a thug. He reverts to bullying because he thinks that's what the job entails."

Rev. Mark Massa, a Jesuit priest and co-director of the Curran Center for American Catholic Studies at Fordham University, accused Donohue of being unable to differentiate between healthy debate and real religious bigotry. "Not everyone who criticizes the church is anti-Catholic," he said.

The editors at the Catholic weekly magazine America seem to agree. In 2000, they chastised Donohue for denouncing movies he hadn't even watched. "While being first may increase one's chances of attracting media attention, there is a danger that the Catholic League reinforces the stereotype that the Catholic Church is at best unreflective and at worst unfairly biased and paranoid," wrote Rev. James Martin. "In the long run, this may do more harm to the church's reputation than a short-lived movie or play."


Last time I checked, the Catholic League claimed membership of about 350,000. Or roughly, twice the monthly sales of the Justice League comic book. Granted, the Justice League has the advantage of Batman and the Red Tornado but it also costs about 3 bucks a month, while membership in the Catholic League is free. So all in all, I'd Fermi out that the constituencies were equal in weight. With 24% of Americans self-identifying as Catholics, spitballing us into 75 million or so American Catholics -- let's just say that if we're not going to listen to the Pope about birth control, Billy Donahue and his mighty 0.5% ain't gonna tell us who to vote for.

Donahue is a professional smear artist who alternates between screaming victimhood about anti-Catholic prejudice and spewing some really choice bigotry which , frankly reinforces stereotypes about Catholics. Not only that, it's not even pure religious fervor: his books are published by the Heritage Foundation. He lets conservative criticism of Catholics pass, he actively campaigned against Kerry, calling voting for Kerry "evil"" -- essentially, he's the Catholic Wing of the Wingnut Welfare Squadron. He's the whole package, kiddies. Let's just take a look at his file over at Media Matters:

We've already won. Who really cares what Hollywood thinks? All these hacks come out there. Hollywood is controlled by secular Jews who hate Christianity in general and Catholicism in particular. It's not a secret, okay? And I'm not afraid to say it. ... Hollywood likes anal sex. They like to see the public square without nativity scenes. I like families. I like children. They like abortions. I believe in traditional values and restraint. They believe in libertinism. We have nothing in common. But you know what? The culture war has been ongoing for a long time. Their side has lost. [MSNBC, Scarborough Country, 12/8/04]

And THIS is the guy who, when he says "bigot", the mainstream press scurries around to attend to his judgment. Well, he would know. (UPDATE: more choice quotes from Media Matters) I want to make this crystal clear: Bill Donahue is a racist publicity whore. I'm not saying Catholics are racist publicity whores. I'm not saying the Catholic League is made up of racist publicity whores. I am saying the individual Bill Donahue, in the eyes of fellow Catholics and by the evidence of his many public on-the-record statements, is an anti-Semitic gay-bashing publicity whore. With a tiny, tiny following and no real influence in his declared constituency. Why the hell should anyone, anywhere, care what he has to say?

But the mainstream press is just loving this. As noted, Time Magazine picked this up -- and their article is filled with amateurish, blatant inaccuracies. Hey, we're just filthy private citizens, who are we to expect accountability and accuracy from major news magazines? There is now, of course, a hailstorm of concerned, sagacious posting and reporting about these out of control bloggers on the left. The right? Nah, pussycats. None of them ever called for the murder of supreme court judges, or implied treason on the part of all American Muslims, or slagged 9/11 widows, or ...

Listen, there are two points here. First is specific to Edwards. Hey, John? If you can't nut up and fend off a piddly practice-run swiftboating like this, then your campaign is sunk. Say you're proud of your two workers. Like every other boss in the world you don't agree with all the positions of your employees, but that you're not going to fire them based on the arguments of a fringe scandal-mongerer. And say "fringe scandal-mongerer". 2008 is going to be a fucking knife fight, Johnny, and we cannot afford any more "Yes sir, may I have another" Democrats in elections. No one who listens to Bill Donahue is ever, ever going to vote for you, no matter what you do. And those of us Catholics who don't listen to Bill Donahue, the other 99.5% of American Catholics, are a little more concerned with health care and the Iraq War and will forget the name and literary proclivities of one of your many low level staffers before Friday. So you might as well do the right thing.

Second point -- when somebody starts harping on your language, or saying you're crazy, they are trying to marginalize you without engaging your arguments. This is, to be blunt, class warfare. I recently read a fascinating quote by right-wing pundit Dinesh D'Souza, fascinating in how it unintentionally, obliquely, revealing it was:

In response, D’Souza calls for the American right to build a traditional values coalition with what he calls “traditional Muslims,” who abhor both bin Laden and Britney Spears. “Admittedly,” he acknowledges, “some on the right may feel uncomfortable about teaming up with Muslims. Yes, I would rather go to a baseball game or have a drink with Michael Moore than with the grand mufti of Egypt. But when it comes to core beliefs, I’d have to confess that I’m closer to the dignified fellow in the long robe and prayer beads than to the slovenly fellow with the baseball cap.”


Slovenly. You can practically see D'Souza's pert little nose wrinkle up under his pince-nez at this fellow in -- how unfortunate, how very earthy -- a baseball cap. That's the problem, as always -- the peasants are revolting. Now that blogs have given them a publishing voice, why the national discourse is destroyed. When Judith Miller corrupted the New York Times in order to print lies about WMD's and lead us into war, there was nothing to get upset about there, because she didn't say fuck. Everyone's aflutter at the swear words and some clumsy jokes in two relatively unknown women's websites -- they're being called "mentally ill" by the right wing bloggers -- while Dick Cheney subverts the Constitution, billions of dollars go missing in Iraq, habeus corpus is gutted, illegal wiretaps slide into place -- oh, yes, you can disagree with thse things, but don't dare raise your voice. Why, it brings on the vapors.

Class war on many levels, some of it institutional, some of it pettily personal. You see, if just anybody can express an opinion, then the professionals aren't special anymore. And a lot of them spent their entire lives getting into the special club. They're taken seriously, now, mister, they're on TV and they wear ties and make speeches and just because you somehow managed to get an audience without any help doesn't mean you're going to strip them of their Heathers-like victory. No sir. Some have even managed to get semi-famous by sucking up to the pros, making "civility" their whole mission, covering that flank for them.

Fuck. That.

If we're uncivil, it's because we're angry. Because being polite, and reasonable, and taking it in the fucking neck for the last six years got us nowhere. People swear, my MOM swears, this is how real people talk -- it ain't quite as pretty as how the professionally trained pundits and journalists and politicians speak, but I'm still not quite sure how my saying "fuckwit" is worse than outing a CIA agent or cutting VA funds during a war or stop-lossing National Guardsmen.

Some professional bigot says that as a Hollywood writer, I love anal sex and abortions and hate families, he slams my many Jewish friends, he can say that on national TV ... and I'm supposed to cluck my tongue and pen a thoughtful rebuttal, citing the many academic studies documenting the number of sodomy-free hours on the Fox lot?

Spider Jerusalem cannot get here fast enough.

It's not like I'm standing on a pristine hill and saying it's time to piss down the immaculate green slopes. We're in a memetic fight with the bullies of greed, of social control, of bigotry, of fear, we've been in it for years. I personally am sick of some Administration official telling an outright lie on television, or some pundit spewing racism that you wouldn't accept at a barbecue, and the liberal on the split-screen coughs and moves on to his next bloodless talking point.

Fill your hands, you sons a bitches.

94 comments:

David said...

Thank you Rogers, for once more, pointing out just what is going on.

Let's hope they listen this time.

Becky C. said...

Its best he fire them. Then perhaps that will sink his shameless campaign.

There are good reasons for hiring these girls--but it he didn't do it for any of those reasons. It was just an attempt to ingratiate himself with all the liberal bloggers.

So he couldn't weather the storm of Michelle Malkin and the Catholic League (which I was surprised to find out was still around). Enuff said.

~Becky

Noah Brand said...

You're absolutely right that Roberts should grow a pair and not fire the bloggers, but there's a larger task to be done. The realization that civilized people in America need to come to about the right-wing noise machine is that nothing they say matters. We keep trying to engage with them as though they're raising substantive points, as though they're engaged in the give-and-take of discourse, and they just fucking aren't.

It's time, it's long past time, for us to just come out and acknowledge a few plain facts about Malkin, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity... that entire loony-assed crowd.

1. They'll say anything. Facts don't matter, precedent doesn't matter, nothing matters. They will make up any crazy shit they want.

2. They are not accountable. They've been wrong about absolutely everything since their little industry was invented. The people who are going to notice have noticed, the people who haven't noticed never will.

3. They will never like us. There is no compromise, there is no reasonable middle ground. They cannot be appeased, they cannot be satiated, they cannot be forced to admit error. Give them everything they want and they'll just make up crazy new bullshit. It's not about policies for them, it's really about people. As far as they're concerned, once you're one of the Bad People, everything you ever do will be evil.

4. They actually wield amazingly little influence over public opinion. The ones who take their crap seriously are the crazy ones, the 27%. We're not going to get that 27%. We don't WANT that 27%. The only flicker of credibility they have comes from mainstream media exposure and from the pretense on our part that they're engaged in discourse. Mark my words, the politician who first says publicly "I don't give a damn what Sean Hannity thinks, he knows nothing about government and he's wrong all the time" will see a ten-point jump in the polls.

Ross said...

Thing is, these people will all brand Edwards with the same label whether he fires them or not. So he can take the high road and then constantly repeat that their claims are unfounded--which won't stop anyone from saying anything. Or he can face it head on, call his critics out, say he's not going to bend to pressure, and see what happens when he tries to look presidential. Plus he'd be keeping a couple of people on his team to help lob some bombs of his own.

Great post, John. I am sad to admit that I had no idea how small Donahue's constituency was, now I'm pissed that I was ever forced to listen to what this piece of shit has to say.

JD Rhoades said...

Tell it, brother John!

The Minstrel Boy said...

harthank you for the best take on this that i have read. one thing i have always admired about your comic and writer style is the way you can lay out a "sane" position in the middle of a crazy situation. so often something sane in today's set ups comes off as hilarious.

mad props on this one.

Anonymous said...

Thank you! Yes, this exactly.

towniebastard said...

John, you might want to shave your head, get a spider tattoo, some cool shades and a bowel disrupter. Oh, and filthy assistants. You can never go wrong with filthy assistants.

That might not have been a Spider Jerusalem level rant, but it was close enough. Set bowel disrupter to Atomic Krakatoa and go get them.

Anonymous said...

Spot on, KFM. You, too noah brand. What happens with Edwards campaign is up to Edwards. For the rest of us dirty f'ing hippies, there's an excellent lesson here.

One regret - its gets worse before it gets better.

-GFO

Anonymous said...

Oh, this post ROCKS.

(Nothing to add beyond that -- just thought I'd add to the echo chamber.)

Anonymous said...

Very well written peice Mr KF Monkey
Your point about Spider Jerusalem is well made
Sometimes I am glad I live in blighty with its slightly less silly politics
I did say slightly!!

The Film Diva said...

Nice post, John. I don't comment here as often as I should but you are doing great work. Now how can we get this in the MSM and get those folks out?

Anonymous said...

It's not that Amanda uses "salty language."

She's virulently anti-religious, and she's an old-school pro-sex radical feminist.

If the Edwards campaign wanted that, then they should be fighting for her. If OTOH they didn't know what they were getting with Amanda, they were lazy or stupid or both.

Listen, I hate Christians, Muslims, and Jews and I don't care who knows it. I think women should be fucking everyone they want to without any negative consequences whatsoever. But I don't think any major presidential candidate wants to hire a guy like me...and I don't even have a blog.

Whoever the Democratic nominee is, she or he can count on my support no matter how spineless (s)he is regarding liberal bloggers. What, am I going to vote Republican?

Uh, no.

So the smart thing to do is for Edwards to cut her loose. She just makes him look "radical" or at least stupid for hiring a pretty radical blogger.

Anonymous said...

Half or less of the people vote.

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Justin Cognito said...

tweez:

She's also a woman who has sworn herself to show a level of professional courtesy on her blog. And as for "anti-religious"... yes, she's an atheist. Yes, she's critical of dogma. But she does not see believers as lesser people for their ideologies.

And as for cutting her loose... that would prove what, exactly? That there is a "reasonable" level of discourse? Fuck that. The line was drawn in the sand the minute Michelle Malkin threw the first brickbat. And this isn't just a spat between two bloggers. This is an organized body of conservatives who wish to dominate the national discourse by utterly shaming liberals the minute they speak up. It takes place in the halls of power, and it takes place on talk shows.

What is it I hear as a rejoinder from the far right whenever I bitch about Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Glenn Beck, and the rest of the Bigot Bunch having such a respected position in American discourse? "Hey, you have Michael Moore!" Yeah, I'm glad I have a guy whose public validity has been cut to a level comparable to Nader and who's never said anything on the level of Ann Coulter's masturbatory daydreams-- I mean, "jokes"-- about slipping rat poison into John Stevens's creme brulee and seeing liberals gassed.

I'm not saying we sink to their level, for that would be disgusting. I'm saying that whenever anyone on the left with bold enough opinions presents them loudly enough in public discourse, the Right Wing Media Wolves descend, and usually the person issues a public apology saying they're sorry they ever existed. I think Amanda is a strong, sensible woman, if a bit ardent. Maybe John Edwards shouldn't have hired her if he wanted to avoid utter controversry, but it's likely that if whoever he hired was to the left of Joe Klein, Malkin and her minions would have attacked. It's beyond that now, though. It's about determining whether the man who might be the next President of the United States has the balls to stand up to the Right Wing Noise Machine. And right now, it looks like he does.

As for you, John, bravo post. I'm tired of this idea of "civility" and "balance" in the national discourse ("Oh, hey, Deep Throat just outed himself! What do you have to say about that, G. Gordon Liddy?"). Do you have an opening for a filthy assistant?

Teddy said...

Dude, you can date my sister anytime.

nolo said...

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

Doc Nebula said...

Dude. Look. Whatever the fuck, however the fuck, whyever the fuck, I am now required to say this -- anyone who can compare Ann Coulter and Michelle Malkin to ElectroWoman and DynaGirl is, at least at that very moment, and for a few moments beyond that very moment, a goddam 92nd degree Guitar Hero, a Master Jedi of Master Jedis, a rightful weilder of an authentic Hattori Hanzo sword, the inheritor of the Marvin Nash Coolness Severed Ear of Courage Award, and an official Ayatollah of Rock And Rollah.

YOU, sir, are the Ruler of the Wasteland.

Rock me, rock me a little while.

Jambo said...

"The pilots drop napalm on women and children but their commanding officers won't let them write 'fuck' on the side of their planes because it's obscene."

Reel Fanatic said...

We get Mr. Donohue's missives every day at the newspaper where I am luckily enough to be employed, and if you take them as anything but comic relief you quickly realize the man is, nearly 100 percent of the time, simply full of shit .. and for the record, I am a Catholic who also uses way too much salty language on a daily basis

Unknown said...

Fuck Yeah! John Rogers for Presidential speech writer!

Unknown said...

"Essentially, she's been DynaGirl to Ann Coulter's ElectroWoman for years, and is just now starting to make her bones."

I can't decide if I should applaud the readhback, or be angry you've ruined a perfectly good teenaged fantasy.

Leave the Bugaloos alone.

JDC

Anonymous said...

Thank you for the excellent post.

Xactiphyn said...

What an Electra-Terrific analogy!

Anonymous said...

amazing. followed your from a random hit at balloon juice. loved your post; i'm going through your archives.

might be an impertinent question to ask, and i know it's short-hand for a slew of cultural characteristitcs...

but what the fuck is irish-catholic?

i see that thrown around a whole bunch, and it just confuses the fuck out of me.

i was raised heavy, guilt-ridden obsessed repressive, many family-members alcoholic catholic.

in MEXICO.

should i call myself mexican-catholic? where do my loyalties lie? we both catholic first, immigrant second? are you guys hyphenated americans, like we're called?

should i view donahue as catholic, irish, white, white-catholic, conservative?

hope this starts a conversation we can all learn from...

A said...

[it's DonOhue, i believe]

the spider j reference instantly earned you a slot in my daily blog reading, however :)

Anonymous said...

As a fellow Catholic who is constantly disgusted by the garbage that thug Donohue sprews, I say THANK YOU.

I had gotten only halfway through your post when I was ready to yell "Hellyeah!" at the computer screen, not just because you captured the meaning so well but because you put it perfectly.

But, when you finished off with the Rooster Cogburn quote? Dude, you are truly an artist.

Deep Thought said...

Do you people even *read* Pandagon?! She routinely refers to Christians as 'godbags', 'deluded', 'insane', 'fascists', 'evil', etc. - but that isn't offensive to *individual* Catholics??!! She claims that abortion opponents are racist, that advocates of large families are genocidal, and calls stay-at-home moms "house negroes" - but she isn't offensive to "individuals", eh?

Anonymous said...

I hope you dont mind the serious crush I have on your brain.

Otto Man said...

Well played.

And add me to the list of Catholics who can't stand Donohue. If you polled most members of the church, I bet it'd be a landslide to tie him and Papa Gibson in a sack and toss it off a bridge.

Anonymous said...

"Essentially, she's been DynaGirl to Ann Coulter's ElectroWoman for years, and is just now starting to make her bones."

Well there it is in a nutshell.

Forget Catholics.

It's those goddam Mormons! Sid & Marty Krofft!

Seriously, I nearly blew out my sinuses when I read that, Rogers.

Bravo.

Unknown said...

but what the fuck is irish-catholic?

i see that thrown around a whole bunch, and it just confuses the fuck out of me.

i was raised heavy, guilt-ridden obsessed repressive, many family-members alcoholic catholic.

in MEXICO.

should i call myself mexican-catholic? where do my loyalties lie? we both catholic first, immigrant second? are you guys hyphenated americans, like we're called?


You know, I have no idea. Maybe it was because you might have two types of immigrant Irish in Boston, Catholics and Protestants, so the relevant modifier is actually "catholic" rather then "irish." Also, the Catholic Church in the Northeast was dominated by the Irish, so those two social and political forces always fell together in discussions of the pernicious local influence of the dreaded RC's.

I'm sure somebody who's actually studied this, rather than just had it imprinted on his DNA, can answer.

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Joe Scordato said...

A truly awesome post.

Ahh, I'll say it - a fucking awesome post.

Steve said...

Well John my problem with Marcotte isn't her language either...like you I've dropped the occasional "fuck", "shit", etc. into conversation...and to hear me in traffic...why your ears might start to bleed.

My beef is her reprehensible views on the Duke Lacrosse case. As Jeff Taylor at Hit & Run put it, Marcotte doesn't just spin the facts she fucks them in the ass. I also think this is emblematic of a more serious issue with her view of rape allegations. I'd be willing to bet good money she thinks anybody accused of rape is automatically guilty (my evidence are her odious statements on the aforementioned Duke case).

So she richly deserves, IMO, whatever crap she gets due to her idiocy.

McEwan on the other hand appears to have been unfairly lumped in with Marcotte and thrown under the bus by Edwards...if you are okay with that, I am a bit disappointed.

Scott said...

I did a ranty post on Bill Donahue yesterday as well but, as always, yours is wiser and funnier.

Damn you, Rogers, for being so awesome!

General Szod said...

John, you rock.

Anonymous said...

Just saw this, that Amanda just resigned from the Edwards campaign.

Steve B

Alsafi said...

Though I think you're right that these days, Irish Catholic is a distinction from Irish Protestant, originally Irish-Catholics were so called because the Irish church and the Roman church were quite distinct and separate for many years after Christianity came to Ireland. Early Irish Christianity had a slightly different monastic tradition than the Mediterranean, and borrowed heavily from its pagan roots (not that the church didn't do that elsewhere--but Ireland was one of the earlier parts of Northern Europe to convert). Rome brought them to heel around the 8th century, so these days most Irish Catholics are actually Irish Roman-Catholics.

That said, let me chime in to the chorus with a little love for this post.

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Wasir atau ambeien adalah penyakit yang terjadi pada bagian anus, jenis wasir atau ambeien sendiri ada dua yaitu wasir atau ambeien dalam dan wasir atau ambeien luar. Dalam penangananya sendiri wasir atau ambeien dapat disembuhkan dengan dua jalan yaitu pengobatan medis dan pengobatan non medis atau pengobatan alternatif. Pengobatan alternatif disini salah satu pilihanya adalah dengan menggunakan tanaman herbal atau dengan ramuan tradisional. Ambeclear dan Salep Salwa adalah hasil pengolahan tanaman herbal daun ungu, kunyit putih, dan mahkota dewa yang telah terbukti ampuh mengatasi wasir atau ambeien baik wasir stadium satu, stadium dua, stadium tiga maupun stadium akhir atau stadium empat. Wasir berdarah, wasir yang telah kronis, semua dapat diatasi dengan menggunakan obat ini selain ampuh obat ini juga aman dan tidak menimbulkan efek samping apapun bagi penggunanya sehingga obat ambeclear ini aman dikonsumsi oleh penderita wasir yang sedang hamil maupun menyusui.

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Anonymous said...

Penyakit ini umumnya muncul karena penderita mengejan terlalu keras pada saat buang air besar. Dengan mengejan terlalu keras, maka pembuluh darah di sekitar anus dapat melebar dan pecah menimbulkan infeksi dan pembengkakan yang berakhir pada masalah wasir atau ambeien tersebut.

Unknown said...

Penderita Penyakit kondiloma atau Kutil Kelamin yang telah terinveksi disarankan untuk segera melakukan pengobatan secepat mungkin sebelum Virus HPV penyebab kutil kelamin makin banyak berkembang biak di dalam sel darah makin lama dibiarkan akan memperparah kondisi organ vital karena kutil kelamin akan terus membesar sehingga terlihat seperti jengger ayam untuk penderita yang baru tertular kurang dari satu bulan biasanya akan lebih cepat ditanggulangi obat kutil kelamin Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatkutildikemaluan.blogdetik.com/ untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil pada kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" AlamiAdalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.

Unknown said...

pengobatan wasir ambeien secara alami dengan menggunakan obat herbal ambeclear dari klinik de natureKebanyakan obat ambeien yang di jual di pasaran hanya mengurangi rasa sakit saja tidak menyembuhkan sama sekali obat wasir alami yang paling manjur adalah ambeclear dari klinik de nature indonesia segera kontak kami secepatnya untuk mendapatkan pengobatan wasir ambeien tanpa operasi call 0852 808 77 999.

Anonymous said...

cara yang alami menyembuhkan penyakit wasir ambeien secara alami dengan menggunakan daun ungu serta mahkotadewa aman untuk ibu hamil tanpa operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat wasir herbal ambeclear terbuat

Anonymous said...

wasir ambeien bisa sembuh tanpa harus di operasi maupun injeksi cukup dengan obat wasir ambeien herbal ambeclear herbal de nature dari daun ungu serta mahkotadewa aman untuk ibu hamil

Unknown said...

Penyakit kencing nanah bisa disebabkan oleh beberapa faktor seperti seks bebas, penularan, virus hpv, lingkungan, gaya hidup dan lainnya, Maka dari itu kita harus waspada dengan penyakit kencing nanah ini, karena penyakit kencing nanah sangatlah berbahaya, Namun untuk anda yang menderita penyakit kencing nanah, maka anda tidak perlu khawatir,

Unknown said...

Obat sipilis di apotik adalah antibiotik. Fungsi dari obat ini adalah untuk menahan pertumbuhan bakteri penyebab sipilis. Namun sayangnya adalah obat ini tidak seampuh yang dikira.

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Unknown said...

Kenali penyebab penyakit kencing bernanah sehingga cara mengobati
penyakit kencing nanah dan infeksi saluran kencing nanah dapat dilakukan
dengan benar.

Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

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Unknown said...

Kadang disertai
dengan sakit saat kencing, perih, organ intim terasa panas menyiksa,
gatal,..

Unknown said...

Sekitar Vagina Tumbuh Daging, Berbahayakah? Kutil Pada Kepala Penis mirip bunga kol atau jengger ayam, Merupakan Penyakit Yang diakibatkan Oleh Virus.Kutil kelamin, atau disebut juga condyloma acuminata, adalah kutil atau daging berwarna kulit atau keabuan yang tumbuh di sekitar alat kelamin dan

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Unknown said...

penyakit yang ditularkan melalui hubungan seks : vaginal, oral dan anal. Juga dapat menular melalui persentuhan kulit dengan daerah yang terinfeksi.

Unknown said...

Obat Ambeien Resep Dokter Ambeclear dari De Nature Ampuh Tuntaskan Ambeien Sampai Tuntas

Unknown said...

Ambeien bisa mengeluarkan darah(seperti invander salim yang terkena ambeien dan mengeluarkan darah)

Unknown said...

Sebelum kita membahas tentang pengobatan ambeien, dalam kesempatan ini
saya ingin menjelaskan sekilas tentang ambeien, agar kita semua bisa
memahami benar apa itu penyakit ambeien

Unknown said...

obat wasir, Adalah  Obat alami berkhasiat dalam bentuk kapsul yang berasal dari tanaman herbal seperti daun ungu, mahkota dewa dan kunyit putih, diberikan pada penderita jika penyakit masih dalam tingkatan stadium ringan

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jual obat de Nature Indonesia ampuh dan herbal Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 442 0060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249.Dari namanya saja kita sudah tahu bahwa pengertian dari penyakit ini adalah pertumbuhan kutil yang terjadi pada organ vital atau alat kelamin manusia dengan mengidap penyakit yang seperti ini tentunya juga akan membuat penderitanya merasa sangat malu hingga bisa juga
berujung dengan frustasi maka dari hal itu bisa disimpulkan bahwa konsekuensi dari penyakit ini bukan hanya dapat berdampak pada fisik tetapi juga emosi penderitanya Menyangkut masalah emosi ini maka paling utama yang dipertaruhkan adalah hubungan seksual penderita dengan pasanganya Jika
sudah begitu maka apa lagi hal paling utama yang harus dilakukan selain dengan pengobatan yang ampuh Penjelasan di atas sedikit banyak juga sudah menyiratkan arti bahwa penyakit ini disebabkan oleh hubungan seksual atau seks oral yang pernah dilakukan penderita terhadap
orang yang terinfeksi dan secara lebih khusus lagi dikatakan bahwa penyebab utama penyakit ini adalah virus HPV atau human papillomavirus yang sangat menular Ada banyak jenis HPV yang diduga menjadi penyebab terjadinya penyakit ini dan sekali lagi kami katakana bahwa
pengobatan secara dini adalah hal yang harus anda lakukan jika sedang terkena penyakit ini Khususnya jika penderita penyakit ini adalah wanita maka biasanya daerah pertumbuhan kutil terjadi di bagian vagina vulva atau perineum anus dan leher rahim Gejala yang terlihat
pada penderita bukan hanya dari penampilan kutilnya saja yang seperti kembang kol tapi pertumbuhan kulit yang terjadi di sekitar anus dan daerah vagina ini juga akan dirasakan gatal atau sensasi terbakar oleh penderita gejala paling parah mungkin penderita akan
mengalami perdarahan selama atau setelah hubungan seksual Perlu juga diketahui bahwa virus HPV ini tidak akan menimbulkan masalah kesuburan tetapi jika penderita mengidap penyakit kutil ini selama kehamilan maka akan sangat tidak nyaman dan berisiko Penderita yang sedang hamil juga
tidak dianjurkan untuk mengkonsumsi obat atau menjalani prosedur medis kutil kelamin seperti penderita umumnya

Anonymous said...

Pengobatan herbal dengan menggunakan obat ampuh yang sudah terbukti khasiatnya de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit kutil kelamin yang terjadi selama masa kehamilan dapat menjadi sumber keprihatinan paling utama bagi ibu hamil. Ada kemungkinan juga bahwa kutil kelamin selama kehamilan dapat diteruskan kepada bayi. Dan pilihan Pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk wanita hamil berbeda daripada yang tersedia untuk perempuan lain.
Jika seorang wanita yang sedang hamil mengalami penyakit ini juga merasakan gejala yang lebih buruk. Hal ini utamanya dikarenakan sistem kekebalan tubuh penderita secara alami ditekan selama masa kehamilan ini, hingga membuat penderita lebih rentan terhadan virus dan infeksi. Akibatnya penderita mungkin menemukan bahwa kutilnya akan tumbuh lebih besar.
Yang menjadi penyebab utamanya adalah human papillomavirus (HPV). Tapi mayoritas wanita hamil dengan riwayat HPV memiliki kehamilan yang sehat dan pengalaman melahirkan. Tapi yang paling ditakutkan karena virus ini dapat ditularkan sehingga penderita beresiko mengidapn kutil kelamin, dan wanita hamil yang mengalami penyakit ini bisa juga mengalami gangguan pada proses kehamilanya.

Anonymous said...

sudah terbukti ampuh obat dari kami untuk merontokan kutil kelamin dengan cara memakai obat herbal dari de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit Kutil kelamin adalah salah satu dari dua penyakit menular seksual yang paling sering menular, dan disebabkan oleh virus. Penyakit satunya lagi adalah herpes genital. Penyakit ini disebabkan oleh virus papiloma manusia sering disingkat sebagai HPV.
Penyakit kutil seperti luka yang muncul ini juga disebut dengan nama kondiloma acuminate. Kutil tumbuh dengan ukuran kecil, tampak seperti daging berwarna di daerah genital dan anal. Dan penelitian menunjukkan bahwa 10-40% wanita yang aktif secara seksual terinfeksi HPV, meskipun kehadiran HPV ini pada penderita tidak selalu disertai dengan munculnya kutil kelamin.
Jalur Penyebaran Kutil Kelamin
Kutil kelamin menyebar melalui kontak langsung dengan orang yang terinfeksi, seperti melalui vagina, anal, atau oral seks. Sekitar enam puluh persen orang yang melakukan kontak seksual dengan penderita kutil kelamin akan mengalami gejala, dan biasanya itu terjadi dalam waktu tiga bulan semenjak
hubungan intim.
Virus papiloma masuk melalui lecet atau luka kecil di area kelamin yang terjadi selama aktivitas seksual. Setelah virus ini masuk, biasanya dibutuhkan sekitar tiga bulan untuk gejala pertama muncul, tetapi bisa juga memakan waktu lebih lama hingga bertahun-tahun.

Anonymous said...

Bukltikan khasiatnya obat herbal kutil kelamin de Nature Indonesia untuk pemesanan hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Kutil kelamin laki-laki tentunya penyakit menular seksual yang sangat umum terjadi di kalangan laki-laki saja, khususnya yang aktif secara seksual atau memiliki pasangan seksual yang lebih dari satu. Hal-hal seperti ini yang bisa menjadi resiko peningkatan kesempatan untuk menderita penyakit ini. Kutil kelamin di sebabkan oleh virus yang dikenal sebagai virus papiloma manusia (HPV). Bahkan, HPV bertanggung jawab untuk semua jenis kutil. Penelitian juga membuktikan bahwa HPV terdiri dari lebih 40 jenis. Beberapa sumber bahkan melaporkan lebih dari itu. Anda juga harus tahu virus dapat ditularkan melalui kontak langsung atau tidak langsung. Jadi Anda mungkin Anda mungkin saja tidak tahu darimana penyakit ini berasal sehingga menghinggapi tubuh anda.
Jika penyakit ini terjadi pada laki-laki, biasanya kondisi yang terjadi tidak seperti kondisi lainnya, penderita juga akan mengalami perubahan dalam kehidupan seksnya secara drastis. Kondisi ini kemudian menyebabkan penderita dihadapkan dengan banyak keputusan sulit, dan harus semakin berhati-hati jika mendapatkan mitra seksual baru. Artinya, jika Anda memiliki kontak seksual dengan pasangan yang terinfeksi, kemungkinan besar akan mengembangkan penyakit ini, dan biasanya itu terjadi dalam waktu tiga bulan. Karena itulah maka hal seperti ini yang harus sudah anda pikirkan dari sekarang, karena bisa saja anda mungkin tidak tahu sedang mengidap penyakit ini. Hal ini yang kemudian menyebabkan penyakit ini menyebar luas.

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Anonymous said...


Jika Anda mengidap kutil kelamin, tentunya penghapusan kutil kelamin ini adalah apa yang ada di pikiran Anda sepanjang hari. Kutil juga tidak berbahaya bagi kesehatan Anda sehingga pengobatanya adalah pilihan anda sendiri, apakah ingin obat kutil kelamin atau tidak. Bahkan sebagian ahli medis yang melihat penyakit anda ini belum sebegitu parah hanya menyarankan supaya anda membiarkan penyakit ini akan hilang dengan sendirinya. Tapi jika kita perduli dengan kesehatan tentunya akan berpikir untuk segera mengetahui cara mengobati kutil kelamin menghilangkan penyakit ini jika sudah menginfeksi tubuh kita, ciri kutil kelamin yang berbahaya. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249

Anonymous said...

Kutil kelamin adalah penyakit yang sangat umum, dan bisa mempengaruhi lebih dari 5 juta pria, wanita dan anak-anak, seperti setiap tahun yang terjadi di Amerika Serikat. Penyakit ini memang jarang terjadi pada wanita yang sedang hamil, karena banyak penderita wanita yang mengalami penyakit ini setelah melahirkan. Tapi yang sangat disayangkan jika penyakit ini terjadi pada saat wanita sedang hamil tapi dia tidak pernah menyadari hal itu, dengan begitu maka akan ada kemungkinan penyakit akan terus berkembang menjadi lebih parah, satu-satunya jalan terbaik adalah dengan melakukan check up secara rutin, dan mencari penyebab kutil kelamin tersebut. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249
Yang menjadi penyebab penyakit ini adalah Virus papiloma manusia (HPV) yang bisa menyerang siapa saja tanpa pandang bulu, termasuk wanita hamil. Dan obat kutil kelamin mungkin sulit untuk di temukan di apotik di daerah anda. Dan sesungguhnya wanita hamil memiliki resiko yang lebih besar jika terkena penyakit ini karena dapat mempengaruhi pertumbuhan janin yang sedang dikandungnya. Segera cari tahu apa ciri kutil kelamin tersebut. Tapi jangan khawatir karena di jaman sekarang ini, pengobatan kutil kelamin sudah dikenal secara meluas, intinya anda harus segera menghubungi dokter terdekat jika sudah terkena penyakit ini.

Anonymous said...

Ada banyak metode pengobatan yang dapat anda coba cara mengobati kutil kelamin, secara umum metode pengobatan tersebut adalah meliputi tindakan medis atau juga dengan obat alternative yang lebih mendasari pengobatan dengan bahan-bahan herbal. Namun satu hal yang juga harus disadari dari ciri kutil kelaimin pengobatan penyakit ini adalah pada umumnya penyembuhan hanya untuk menghilangkan kutilnya saja, sedangkan virus yang menjadi penyebab kutil kelamin belum tentu hilang. Karena itu juga hingga akhirnya penyakit ini sering berulang atau kambuh kembali. Tapi anda jangan kuatir karena ahli kesehatan terus berupaya untuk menemukan obat herbal kutil kelamin pengobatan yang ampuh, pengobatan yang ada sekarang setidaknya juga dapat meredakan gejala yang dialami penderita. Hanya saja obat medis yang selama ini dikenal efektif untuk menyembuhkan penyakit ini memerlukan biaya yang mahal selain efek samping yang juga bisa terjadi jika pilihan pengobatan jatuh pada metode khusus untuk penyakit kutil kelamin yang sudah parah.

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