Still in page-count hell. Rather than slamming the media, as everyone else is doing quite rightfully and admirably, I do have a quick real question, and hoepfully one of our law-enforcement readers can help me out.
Why fly Karr to the US if a DNA sample is all it took? Why not just hold him in custody in Thailand? Do they not have advanced cheek-swab technology in Thailand?
I mean, the fine folks of Boulder paid for that perv's first-class ticket, right? Is somebody going to ask this question of that DA? I ask seriously, and please correct me if I'm not understanding -- was this justified as SOP in this kind of case?
Oh, and one quick mention to the media before I go back to work: I understand pretty dead girls are good ratings. So here are some. Maybe you could drag your asses over to take a look at this story, please? I know it's hard, and scary, because you might actually have to ask questions of Important People Who We Should Trust. But I have faith in you.
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"The meaning of 'Daxis' was not immediately clear."
How 'bout now?
The best part of that AP story is the four paragraphs of graphic description of a pedophilic act which, the article exists to point out, he did not commit. Can you say 'pander'?
(snip)But Scott Robinson, a Denver attorney who has followed the case from the beginning, said Karr may be charged with lying about his role.
"Seems to me there should be some criminal consequences," he said. "He has cost the taxpayers an enormous amount of money."
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Okay, so he apparently lied about his involvement.
Whose fault is it that these idiots believed him? And then spent so much money to... accomplish nothing of merit?
I mean, he is clearly a sick fuck (though, all things considered, I am thinking that needs to be taken with a grain of salt), but how stupid are these prosecutors? And since when is being a sick fuck, in and of itself, a crime?
Business class, man. HUGE difference.
Why fly Karr to the US if a DNA sample is all it took? Why not just hold him in custody in Thailand? Do they not have advanced cheek-swab technology in Thailand?
shipping a dna sample all the way from thailand probably makes the chain of evidence too long for it to stand up against appeal. if they did the test in thailand and sent the results, the defense would probably insist on getting the lab techs over to testify and a costly audit of the lab in question, and then they would suggest to the jury that the lab makes counterfeit viagra on weekends anyway.
i'll say this for karr - son of a bitch got himself out of thailand. american prisons suck, but i'd rather take my chances there than in thailand.
Well, apparently, actual pedophile on the side, so yeah, crime. But I too am thinking it was a "Get Out of Thai Jail Free" card.
On your other point -- dead American girl heroes -- I wonder if the Army will allow women into combat units now?
Phil Carter over at intel Dump -- currently Over There -- did an essay while back on the relative meaninglessness of "combat unit" in current warfare, and that effect vis a vis women in combat. Worth hunting up. Actually, all Phil's stuf is worth reading. His posts, and the Global Guerillas website.
"Why fly Karr to the US if a DNA sample is all it took? Why not just hold him in custody in Thailand? Do they not have advanced cheek-swab technology in Thailand?"
What can happen with someone who is being extradited from Thailand is probably governed by treaty. Within the United States, extradition is mostly governed by a compact between the states. I don't believe the compact provides a mechanism for such testing.
I wonder if the Army will allow women into combat units now?
I'd have a hard time explaining how someone who earned a Silver Star for "valor in combat" doesn't deserve to be in a "combat unit" if that was what she wanted.
And rogers? You are awesome for posting that Kos link.
Per the motion to quash, which was on CNN the other day, Karr refused to submit to a DNA swab while in Thailand, and the stuff the Thai autoritys were able to pick up wasn't good enough for the testing they needed to do.
I can't say I'm surprised; for the first moments when the family was saying "No, he was here with us" I was pretty sure this was a false confession. The guy's clearly disturbed, but the pieces didn't add up.
Now, if you can track down who provided him with the "unreleased" crime scene information, then you might have a lead.
ah, thanks for the clarification. So it was basically "get my ass out of Thailand" blackmail.
I may be mistaken, but it's my understanding that Thailand deported him, so those taxpayers may have picked up the tab.
Regardless, the Denver DA had no jurisdiction over Karr while he was still in Thailand, so they had no means to require him to submit to a DNA test. While it's true as a practical reality that the Thai authorities could have conducted their own DNA test, they may have had no legal justification for doing so. Also, dan mcenroe is correct that having the DNA sample collected in Thailand (especially by Thai authorities) would have created too many potential defects in the chain of custody. As bad as the outrage is now, can you imagine how much worse it would have been if the DNA sample had been collected in Thailand, it came back positive, and Karr walked because his defense lawyer was able to punch a bunch of holes in the chain of custody? I can't really blame the Denver DA for wanting to play conservative on that particular issue.
That said, it was pretty apparent from the get-go that this guy was a confession junkie. It would have been much better for the Colorado taxpayers (although not much cheaper) to send an experienced investigator with detailed knowledge about the case to interrogate Karr while he was still stuck in Thai prison. I suspect that the Thai authorities would have held onto him long enough for that, if not for the media blitz. Once that blew up, I think Thailand wanted this guy off their hands immediately, if not sooner. Of course, I could be completely misreading the situation. It's possible the Thais were going to ship him out anyway, and the Colorado DA had to make a tough call.
Of course, if there is a shiny silver lining about this babyraper's face being plastered all over the news, it's that he's now posted himself at the very top of an exclusive, international "Megan's List." Personally, I look forward to the day when he runs into someone--whether inside prison walls or no--who decides to show him the error of his ways, preferably with a length of barbed wire and a burlap sack full of rusty nails. Better persons than I may say that such thoughts are both horribly vindictive and deeply unchristian, and I suppose they are. But deep in my heart of hearts, I have a sneaking suspicion that even the most forgiving of saviors would want to punch guys like this repeatedly in the crotch. If that turns out not to be the case, I'm willing to take the constructive criticism on my Final Performance Review.
Watching this unfold has made me realize that its been a long time since I bothered to defend my colleagues in the press.
I mean, I get it, there's resonance when a cute little girl is brutally murdered. The creepy parents and doll-her-up-like-a-whore beauty show crap has page 1 appeal.
But when contrasted to this item buried in a dusty back section:
Associated Press
UNITED NATIONS - More than 250,000 children are fighting in wars around the world, while tens of thousands of girls are sexually exploited by combatants, a senior U.N. official said.
there's no question that we've lost our fucking way.
It is a sign of the deepening gloom that one death -- and I'm not marginalizing the little girl -- takes precedence over 250,000 six-year-olds running around with loaded AKs.
Say it again -- 250,000. And again. Imagine Yankee Stadium filled up five times.
This is not a new phenomenon by any stretch, but what an explicit picture it gives of human nature.
Jon Benet trumps in our hearts a quarter million babies slamming 7.62mm slugs into magazines.
One death is a tragedy; a million is a statistic. - Joseph Stalin
On the day the Karr story broke, a man here in NYC forced a young black girl into a car in front of onlookers who got his license number. It was on the news for two minutes. I never heard what happened, whether they were found, anything but KarrKarrKarr the rest of the week. Draw your own conclusions.
BTW, why was someone from Homeland Security (according to his jacket) part of the extradition party? Shouldn't they be securing all those terrorist targets in Indiana?
Does this mean that the media outlets that last week were smugly waiting for one another to apologize for repeatedly fingering the parents ten years ago can now go back to smugly fingering the parents?
BTW, why was someone from Homeland Security (according to his jacket) part of the extradition party?
In case Karr tried to hijack the plane.
Actually, there's a funny bit in there somewhere.
Karr was wanted on other US charges from which he had fled in the first place. That may have fed into a decision to get him back here.
Other than that, it was clear from the start that his confession was bullshit.
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