John: I do believe George W. Bush wll be considered by historians as the worst American President.
Tyrone: That's hardly a controversial idea.
John: I am including Jefferson Davis in that list.
Tyrone: ...
Tyrone: ... as intriguing as this sounds, I'm not going to help you with this one.
John: Cool.
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I'm sorry I missed that lunch. I think he's one of the six greatest Presidents in U.S. history. The other five in chronological order... Washington, Lincoln, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman and Reagan.
Ok, I'll bite. What was it that Reagan did to rate above Theodore Roosevelt or Jefferson?
Because he singlehandedly won the Cold War silly! (Okay, Oliver North and Rambo helped a little)
If it wasn't for the sheer force of Ronald Reagan's will, we'd all be speaking Communist today.
Communist with a SPANISH ACCENT, no less, mister.
No, silly, we wouldn't.
Even if that coward Jimmah Carter had got reelected and the Cubans and the Sovyets had invaded after we boycotted the Moscow Olympics, Jed Eckert and the Wolverines would've bet 'em off.
"If Reagan dyed his hair -- and I'm not saying he did -- he did it only to show his strength to the Communists!"
WOOOOLVERIIIINNEEESSSS!!
Powers Boothe rocks old school.
And NKS s plainly joking. He's not only saying Reagan was greater than Teddy or Jefferson, he's asserting BUSH is greater than Teddy or Jefferson. Even Laura Bush doesn't think that.
Jeeze, nks, you've got Kool-Aid on your breath.
(Hey, is it possible that he was actually including Jefferson Davis in the 'six greatest' list? Man, that would be creepy.)
* * *
Don't let the conservatives rewrite history:
Lech Welesa, sloppy technicians at Chernobyl, and smuggled VCRs contributed more to the rust-through of the Iron Curtain than Reagan.
Stefan
Too funny, Rogers.
Is there really a Tyrone or is that your shadow self?
Tyrone insists he's not real. He doesn't want to go to Gitmo with me.
But John since you aren't really a Canadian you won't be sent to Gitmo.
Unless you converted and are now muslim?
Good American born boys don't get sent there without a turban, unless there is something even I don't know?
I have a Candian citizenship - which makes my patriotism highly suspect. Like Pinocchio, I;m a REAL BOY!
"I have a Candian citizenship - which makes my patriotism highly suspect."
It is this question of divided loyalties that makes it likely that Mr. Rogers can never get a security clearance. I suspect that he's strangely comfortable with that.
Any particular Canadian citizenship, or just one you found lying around?
Today's verification: yoioeah! Somebody sounds excited.
I've been saying for a year or so now that I'm not worried that George W. Bush will go down as the worst President in American history--I'm worried that he will go down as the LAST President in American history.
Everyone always laughs when I say that. I'm not really sure why.
You haven't been posting enough lately. Does Tyrone have a blog?
NBarnes said...
Ok, I'll bite. What was it that Reagan did to rate above Theodore Roosevelt or Jefferson?
***I would list Theodore Roosevelt as a "near great" President while most of Jefferson's greatest accomplishments came before he was elected President.
Rory said...
Because he singlehandedly won the Cold War silly! (Okay, Oliver North and Rambo helped a little)
*** Singlehandedly? No. And the help came from people like Walesa, Pope John Paul II and even Thatcher. Reagan was the first major leader to recognize that communism would collapse under its own weight and added defense spending did speed up the process.
Rogers said...
And NKS s plainly joking.
*** No, I'm not.
Anonymous said...
Jeeze, nks, you've got Kool-Aid on your breath.
*** I personally know people who lost family at Jonestown. While I'm not offended by the reference and I even use it myself, my skepticism is alive and well. No Kool-Aid here.
Anonymous said...
Lech Welesa, sloppy technicians at Chernobyl, and smuggled VCRs contributed more to the rust-through of the Iron Curtain than Reagan.
*** I don't necessarily disagree with this.
John, a bit OT, but do you know Jason Apuzzo(everybody in Hollywood knows each other, right?)?
I've decided to write the great American right-wing movie and need to see if I can get funding from him and all the other fine patriots at Libertas (I've even got a product placement for Libertas already in place). The working title is "THE PASSION OF THE ANN[TI]-CHRIST".
I'd be interested to know what you French-Canadian traitor types think of the effort.
At the risk of taking nks and any Bush supporter seriously:
40+ years of US policy that more or less stayed unchanged from Truman through Bush I won the Cold War. Reagan/Bush just happened to be in office when the inevitable happened.
*** Singlehandedly? No. And the help came from people like Walesa, Pope John Paul II and even Thatcher. Reagan was the first major leader to recognize that communism would collapse under its own weight and added defense spending did speed up the process.
There's actually something oddly interesting here. While I'm a little curious as to how NKS reconciles his belief that Reagan allowed Communism to collapse under its own weight with his Administration's fierce intervention agasint Communism in South and Central America, primarily throgh supporting whoever wanted to throw together a spiffy death squad ...
... there is an interesting point to be made in that Reagan genuinely wanted peace, and when he saw the shot through Gorbachev he went for it. Remember, he had a cadre of people in his Administration who claimed that glaznost was a trick (I am not shitting you) and insisted that this was the time to make some bold moves militarily to hem the Russians in. maybe even invade some spots. The most vocal proponent of this policy, of course, was our very own Dick Cheney. IF Dick had had his way, we never would have trusted Gorbachev or supported him.
Reagan's personal adroitness in this single matter, a fairly major one, coupled with his willingness to raise taxes when it turned out tax cuts weren't working, and his sanity in pulling out of Lebanon so we could miss the extra 13 years of unpleasantness (thanks Cap Weinberger), allows me to see how a sane person could throw Reagan at least in the Top Ten. I wouldn't AGREE, but I can see it.
One has to throw out his willingness to turn a blind eye to AIDS, his vicious lies about poverty, essentially starting the Culture Wars, and his chumminess with anti-Communist dictators who we've had to deal with today. But I can see it.
President Bush, you'll note, has none of those qualities. He is, in point of fact, the Anti-Reagan. Fiscally, socially, domestically, militarily, and just in his own plain pig-headedness in refusing to either plan appropriately or change a policy when it is plainly not working he is a very, very poor President. While I cede that there is a universe where you can put Reagan in the top ten, if you put George Bush in the top ten, our realities COMPLETELY DIVERGE. Not only has he not accomplished anything worthwhile, his policies have led to domestic ruin, American cities underwater and on fire, a divisivness that is ADMITTEDLY a political tool weilded by his team, a gutting of the original intent of the Constitution, and the destruction of America's moral high ground in international affairs (not to mention running our Army so think it'll be years to get the personnel numbers back up to snuff). By bailing on Afghanistan and going to Iraq, we blew our one great chance of showing that we can help an emergent nation move into a functioning (key word there) democracy. Elections are nice, but if 85 people at a time are being kidnapped from work and execuited, that ain't functioning.
President Bush may, for some reason, really make some people feel, er, good. But as far as his policies are concerned, you cannot point to, say five thing the President planned on accompolishing that went well -- hell, or even according to plan. Other than 1) get elected and 2.) get re-elected. Ther eis no way, no RATIONAL WAY, on any rsystem based on actual accomplishments one can drag Bush out of the bottom third.
Dubya didn't even manage to get elected right. He lost in 2000, but the votes in Florida weren't correctly counted, and got put into office by the supreme court. And he lost again in 2004, except that hundreds of thousands of votes in Ohio (and probably other states) were either disallowed or just went missing.
Dubya has gained money and power for himself and his cronies, at the *expense* of the United States. He belongs in the bottom third of the bottom third, and is certainly the worst president in MY lifetime.
"I'm ashamed that I ever questioned Reagan's mental prowess now that I know what it's like to have a genuine moron in the White House."
-- Patrick Farley
And you know, in retrospect, I want to take exception to that "Lech Walesa HELPED overthrow communism" meme. That's American exceptionalism at its finest. Lech Walsea didn't help anybody, we were lucky enough to be able to help Lech Walesa. He was assured of noting but a death sentence when he jumped that shipyard wall, and we should be so lucky as to have a President in my lifetime with the sontes of Lech Walesa.
LOL.
Tell the truth. You and Tyrone share a body. Like Rosie and Ray.
'fess up.
(spelling issues)
So... the COMMENTS section is where the REAL action is. I completely concur with Rogers in that I too did not find Reagan to be a great president, but in head to head competition with George the Lesser, he definitely comes out way ahead. Hell, my pet hamster could govern better than Bush the Bunglebutt. So far nks has not backed up his opinion of the Mangler's greatness with any reasoning behind the claim.
Saying how history will judge Dubbya is really saying how you think the future will turn out. If you think the future will be built upn democracy, fairness, intelligence, peace, and freedom, my guess is G-dub won't fare too well. If you think society will be an Orweillian nightmare co-authored by James Dobson, I think he will easily crack the top 5 of all time.
Now, one thing you can't argue is that guy is a stone cold ignoramus. You know it, I know it, the entire freaking English speaking world knows it. Every time he opens his mouth with that smirk of his and the way he talks you can tell he is reaching waaaay beyond himself and that at least part of his motivation is proove that he 'is too not a dummy!'
So I say let history tell us what kind of a president he ~is.~ The greats of the past, Roosevelt (both of them), Lincoln, Washington, Kennedy, even Reagan (bless his cold conservative heart), their words come to us through the ages and inspire us to achieve and strive to make our world better. I mean, if you've never been to the FDR memorial in DC you are missing one heck of a treat simply because that guy could turn a phrase. He could inspire the KKK to give up seat to Rosa Parks. Bush...do I even need to say it? See the Bushisms at slate.com and tell me how that's going to hold up?
Rogers said...
And you know, in retrospect, I want to take exception to that "Lech Walesa HELPED overthrow communism" meme. That's American exceptionalism at its finest. Lech Walsea didn't help anybody, we were lucky enough to be able to help Lech Walesa. He was assured of noting but a death sentence when he jumped that shipyard wall, and we should be so lucky as to have a President in my lifetime with the sontes of Lech Walesa.
*** I believe American exceptionalism is a good thing. When de Tocqueville coined the term, he spoke America's special status coming out of its character and origins.
As for the status America has today through its wealth and power, a lot of luck was involved, but America mostly earned it. Jingoistic chest beating is never appropriate, but the rules that apply to other countries simply cannot rationally apply to the U.S. With that power comes responsibility and no nation has ever attained as much power and used it for such noble endeavors -- and that includes the GWOT and Iraq. I know you don't agree, so we'll just have to disagree on that.
As for Walesa, I agree wholeheartedly. We didn't help Walesa unless you count cheering for him on the sidelines. He is truly heroic in every sense of the word.
NKS sez: "I know you don't agree, so we'll just have to disagree on that."
Sort of like my saying that the Earth is flat, the moon is made of cheese, and it's turtles the whole way down, and finishing with "I know you don't agree, so we'll just have to disagree on that."
Shoot, you're right. You go on with your delusions. In opinion-land, you can believe any damn fool thing you want. But in the Real World, you're still 120% wrong.
NKS Says...
With that power comes responsibility and no nation has ever attained as much power and used it for such noble endeavors -- and that includes the GWOT and Iraq. I know you don't agree, so we'll just have to disagree on that.
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Iraq is a noble endeavor?
By what standard do you measure such things?
I could maybe accept that such things are noble ambitions (the freeing of people from a brutal dictator is a great thing to want to do; the execution of this thing has become an unqualified and inexcusable clusterfuck). However, taking it as read you disagree, what do you base your opinion on? How do you justify the idea that what America is right, that Geoge W. Bush is among the greatest presidents ever? Support your argument.
Fan facts! Jefferson Davis was the Secretary of War in the cabinet of U.S. President Franklin Pierce. Franklin Pierce is the great-great granduncle of George W. Bush.
From not one of us: "U.S. President Franklin Pierce, etc."
And Franklin Pierce wasn't exactly a paragon of outstanding leadership and statecraft, either.
Apples acting under gravity and separating from tree branches . . . .
Rob
wupnwnrogers said, "...a divisivness that is ADMITTEDLY a political tool weilded by his team, a gutting of the original intent of the Constitution..."
That, right there, disqualifies GWB as not only forver out the running as a "great" president, but shows how plainly steeped in treason his actions are. The man has no integrity or decency.
nks STILL has not shown his math to explain how his equations put Dumbya in the TOP SIX category...
NKS:
And that's why American exceptionalism is dangerous -- as soon as it is assumed to be a quality of America as opposed to a result of American behaviour, it goes to hell.
You are deeply, deeply wrong in assuming that I don't believe that the US should be using its power in an active manner. I am, at the end of the day, a Barnett interventionalist -- the US should be doing everything it can to bring order to a disoredered world, as disorder and failed states are the breeding ground of conflict. You've made an unwrranted assumption that also allows you to put your position in a morally superior light, as a call or a vocation rather than a choice.
That's why, btw, I was very much in favoir of the Kosovo intervention -- done right, as it was -- and now shake my head at Somalia, where the disorder allowed militant fundamentalists to take over a nation while we pin our entire Army down beating up a tired old secularist and putting an Islamist government in his place.
In this regard, I don't believe you've fully thought out your position. If you believe American exceptionalism is important, then the Bush Administrations's flaunting of international law, Abu Ghraib, Gitmo, renditions etc. have damaged the moral high-ground we needed to effiicently wage the GWOT, and it's dipomatic bullishness in practical terms damaged the relationships we needed.
Even more so, the Iraq War brutally damaged our efforts in this regard. Abandoning Afghanistan showed we were not serious in closing the deal when it came to interventions. Going into Iraq hurt us internationally and in practical military-effectiveness terms. At the end of this war, the US will have a tattered Army, be in brutal debt, have alienated many of the Muslim countries we need to deal with to stop terror (oh, and as part of this policiy we abandoned the pro-American factions in the Iraq government, all so Bush could have a cool "axis of evil" slogan) and have accomplished absolutely nothing in terms of stopping terror in a real sense. Instead, we have created a breeding/training ground for new terrorists.
Again, I'm not a blanket Bush hater. If that invasion run-up had gone "You know what, we need to take this guy out, and we're going to be there for ten years, AND we need to triple our troops on the ground ,because that's what EVERY EXPERT ON THE PLANET says we'll need to maintain peace," I probably would've gone for it. Instead we got bullshit WMD claims and -- what should piss you off even more -- non-existent post-war planning.
The sad irony is, the more you believe that the GWOT is the great cause of the 21st Century, the angrier you should be about the Bush Administrations actual actions and their lack of results. PIle onto that his disastrous domestic fiscal policies and his total failure to address Homeland Security issues in an adult manner, and I can't see how you can put George Bush anywhere in the top half of the Presidents, never mind in the top six. Rhetoric is not results, and as my favorite military writer put it: "Hope is not a plan."
rogers said...
You are deeply, deeply wrong in assuming...
You've made an unwrranted assumption...
In this regard, I don't believe you've fully thought out your position...
Let me start by saying that I didn't mean to cause so much trouble. If I came across as making unwarranted assumptions, it was inadvertent. I don't write as well as you do. I read something in your blog and I made a quick drive-by quip of a comment and then find out I pissed off a bunch of people who don't share my world view. I'm sorry. But hey, I'm used to it. I'm a conservative Republican and I live in Ann Arbor.
However, I think you made an inaccurate assumption yourself. Just because I don't have your talent, your wit, your ability to express yourself in this blog, and yes, even your inteligence, doesn't mean I haven't thought out my viewpoint. I am informed and my opinions do come to me after some thought and analysis. It's possible to have a well thought out opinion and have it completely differ from yours.
John, I respect you and I respect your opinion and if caused you to think otherwise, I'm very sorry. I remember you as being a very decent person. I remember days at McGill and actually wanting to eat that swill we were served at BMH because I knew you were going to say something so incredibly funny. So what if coffee was coming out of my nose!
Oh, check your email...
Ahh, Neil, of course.
As far as being deeply wrong about my positions, that much is true -- but I hammer it just because it's a common misconception.l Because I often write liberal things, people assume I'm way, way farther left than I actually am.
Also, this is a bit of a tradition here -- rather than flame war we argue out our positions in detail, in the Ben Franklin tradition. AN unargued or unsupported point doesn't fly here at KFM, but as a newbie you could hardly know.
But this is my point. The way you stated your argument was a) Iraq and GWOT are noble endeavours (not the same thing, by the way. Not DIFFERENT things, but not the same, either) and b.) The Presiden tis executing them well. I'm simply pointing out that if you really believe that the GWOT is THE critical issue for America, the President's execution of these issues has been, factually, deficient. Many readers of this site are, indeed, Republicans who have come to feel this way. Sure, you're a Republican, but that doesn't mean you should (or probably do) accept whatever the President does or says uncritically.
If you have the position that the President's doing excellent things for America internationally or in the long run, do jump in and support the idea. You don't need wit or talent to be an informed citizen, and if you've though these positions out, then the argument should come easily.
I should have a little warning sign up, but ... Bush in the top six without supporting argument? That's raw meat to the bastards in here.
I'll e-mail you. Hope all is well.
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