Majiksthe tagged me with one of the web chain letters. I tend to blow these off, but this one's film-related so I'll give it a whirl:
"The challenge is:
Explain America to someone from somewhere else by giving them 10 movies to watch.
The idea is not to give them a history lesson, so you don't have to start with The New World and end with Jarhead.
What you're trying to do is give them a sense of who we are -- your take on our dreams, our attitudes, our idioms, what we think we are, what we are afraid we are, what we really might be."
I'm not sure my choices are exactly in that style; I'm more the "here's the spirit of things, draw your own conclusions" guy. Also, there seesm to be a tendency in the lists to favor "proper" films over "disposable" films -- while I think "disposable" films are often a truer, less considered showcase of our real culture. That is, THEM! probably gives you a better sense of what the '50's were like -- and the people of the '50's were like -- than Far from Heaven. Also, I'd vary up small and big films, trading some slice o' life with the big thematic bastards. Indeed, one ofthe factors that should be taken into account is that you're not only giving this hypothetical human a window into America with the films' subject matters, but the production dates of the movies illustrate how America's perception of itself has changed, which is also valuable cultural information.
So, in almost completely random order:
1.) The Searchers (1956): Although Rio Bravo (1959) is my pick for the platonic ideal of the Western (ignoring, for a moment, its odd lack of ... vista), The Searchers has bonus points for so explicitly exploring race, family, and America's odd quirk of idolizing the Outsider. Those landscapes clinch the deal. When America dreams its dreams of the West, John Ford's slinging the lens.
2.) Mad Hot Ballroom (2005): I've seen very few movies which so perfectly caught the sense of chaotic joy I felt while living in New York City. And too few films show what it's like to just live in a Great American City without the character of that City being somehow the point of the movie.
3.) Boyz n the Hood (1991): There are other, grittier entries in this genre, but this is a good starting point. Film classicists might instead go for Imitation of Life (1959) or Guess Who's Coming to Dinner (1967).
4.) Sands of Iwo Jima (1949): as has been noted before, the perfect propoganda film. More importantly, this is the image of righteous conflict that most people carry in their head as they discss the Greatest Generation vs. current warfare. You can't undestand why America acts the way it does now without understanding that this is what we think of ourselves as still. I'm fairly sure Chris Matthews and his ilk masturbate to this film. This movie, however, is on a mandatory (and I'm not kidding, they are bound at the hip) double feature with --
5.) Apocalypse Now (1979): Much like Sands is the bright shining dream version of World War II, Apocalypse is the opiate nightmare version of Vietnam. Neither is really what the war was like, yet both are somehow ... right. If you struck Sands off the list for any reason, I'd default this spot to a dogfight between the overly-clinical Full Metal Jacket (1987) and the overly-wrought Platoon (1986)
6.) Longtime Companion (1990): Again, I'm not the guy to pick the perfect representation of America's relationship with one of its minorities. But this movie makes me cry my guts out every time.
7.) The Thin Man (1934): Pre-World War II, the shiny drunken fun-desperate days of the '30's, not to mention the trendsetter for every idealized male-female film partnership (and therefore cultural model) for the rest of the century. Some people would argue that title belongs to It Happened One Night (1934). Those people would be high.
8.) The Graduate (1967): Oooo, how I'd love to give this to The Apartment (1960) or Sweet Smell of Success (1957) -- and the fact that those are the three films battling for this slot probably says more about me than I like. This is primarily a guilt pick; a film I never really cared for, but one that both discusses the breakdown/acknowledgment of the "classless" class system and does so in such a particularly "60's" style. Seeing as I'm short-changing that element of American culture pretty hard, I probably have to stick to this one.
9.) Risky Business (1983): Fuck Wall Street (1987) and its sappy ending. This is the '80's. Tangerine Dream, people. An interesting one-two with The Graduate.
10.) Norma Rae (1979): You need this or Matewan (1987) on the list. I personally prefer Matewan, but I'm pretty light on representations of women in American cinema, so Norma edges out.
Special Bonus Pick:
11.) The Forty Year Old Virgin (2005): Wow. Okay, I know: what the fuck is this doing here in Nashville's spot? Well, first off, I wanted another comedy -- what a culture laughs at is as revealing about it, more revealing about it than almost anything else. Second, unlike Annie Hall, this movie doesn't require a specific combination of cultural types, intellectual attitudes and geography to work. Annie Hall not in New York isn't Annie Hall; the mall in Virgin exists in every mid-size and up city in America. Virgin hits on male friendship in a way that's almost never been done; our peculiarly American obsession with/fear of sex; the bizarre political/cultural combo of the last generation that's allowed for an extended adolescence; but at the same time doesn't laud the moral superiority of "growing up". The ways Virgin deals with families is also fascinating -- every type of fractured American family is on screen, not to mention that Andy's friends essentially become the brothers he never had. Friends as replacement/support for the oddly reconfiguring, geographically splintered American nuclear family is something worth understanding.
Call 40 Year Old Virgin my wildcard, screw-you pick. But I bet you ten years from now, it'll still be on a lot of Top Ten Comedies list.
Adding the twist of self-critique in the latest variant of the chain-letter, what's missing from my list?:
-- wish there weren't two John Wayne movies in here. I'd trade a John Wayne for his urban archetype opposite number, Humphrey Bogart.
-- pretty testosterone-driven list. There aren't a lot of great women's issues/politics films on even my long, first draft elimination list. My failing as a viewer, a thinker, or indiciative of the film world?
-- there should be a sci-fi film in there. America perfected sci-fi, and that alternating dread of/utopian vision of the future is an integral part of American culture. On the other hand, most of the truly great sci-fi films are laden with cynicism. I can't think of one that nails what I'm looking for in one slot.
-- there should be a children's movie, or a Spielberg floating in there.
-- religion belongs in there. Inherit the Wind (1960) should probably nab Ballroom's spot, but it's so damn mannered. Maybe Duvall's The Apostle? No, no, there's got to be a more positive portrayal of faith in America kicking about, but none comes to mind right away.
I'm not tagging anyone. If this really is a meme, it will self-propogate. Which is something I've really been meaning to write about ...
Saturday, January 21, 2006
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Bladerunner.
It's quentisentially American, paranoid, but optomistic; cynical but sensative. Plus, it covers sci-fi and noir all at once.
Brother from another planet
Out of the past
American beauty
Invasion of the body snatchers (50s)
The women
Philadelphia story
Pulp fiction
Sullivan's travels
Ruben and Ed
Hammett
To understand America you only need to see one movie.
TOP GUN
Religion belongs in there. Inherit the Wind (1960) should probably nab Ballroom's spot, but it's so damn mannered. Maybe Duvall's The Apostle? No, no, there's got to be a more positive portrayal of faith in America kicking about, but none comes to mind right away.
Night of the Hunter -- no?
Also, since you wanted Bogey, maybe The Big Sleep over Red Hot Ballroom? and it also captures something (metaphorically) about what it's like to live in LA.
Night of the Hunter, not bad, althought The Big Sleep is too much of a mess,plotwise ... I think it would be the default Bogey, though.
It's not sci-fi, but I'd strongly argue for Apollo 13's inclusion. There's the whole "Failure is not an option" can-do spirit riff, the aftereffects of the related "We will go to the Moon" effort, the exploration of new frontiers, and, while frequently understated in popular history, the key reason the 20th century was the American century was our progress in science and engineering.
> wish there weren't two John Wayne movies in here. I'd trade a John Wayne for his urban archetype opposite number, Humphrey Bogart.
What about Clint Eastwood and his mid-70's Urban Cowboy flics as Dirty Harry - or is that to cynical and reactionary?
The greatest movie about what it is to be an American is simply “Mr. Roberts”. Game. Set. Match. Everyone else is simply trying to catch up.
Good choices, all of them.
FYI: my word verification word is "peobdwhz".. sounds a lot like p'o'd but had to whiz.
Re: John Wayne...THE COWBOYS.
Never fails to make this mad pulp bastard tear up. Never.
10 films to explain America
The Godfather - our contry is an epic tale of generations, power, family and violence.
The Philadelphia Story - the tabloid/press participation in our lives, class struggle, romanticism, C.K. Dexter Haven
Philadelphia - Lawyers, AIDs, the personal struggle made public
Casablanca - The reluctant Rick
A Christmas Story - We all want our BB guns, and yes, we will shoot our eyes out
The Dirty Dozen - I'm not sure what it says, but it is us
3 Days of the Condor - Someday someone will pull along side us and ask us to get into the car, our friend the government
Fast Times at Ridgemont High - the spirit of our youth
Beneath the Planet of the Apes - here's my inclusion of religion
Field of Dreams - losing the farm, road trips when appears lost, shoeless joe, catch with Dad, and speaches by James Earl Jones, oh, yeah, and baseball
What's missing from my list before someone else points it out is race, an urban voice, consumerism, native americans, the state of the environment: films that could tie up loose ends include Blazzing Saddles, Do the Right Thing, Clerks, After Hours, Grand Canyon and and and, I don't know any film that really speaks about the environment in America.
You're dead on with 40 Year Old virgin, very nice. Don't youy think Dr. Strangelove shoudl eb in there somewhere?
i admit i'm not a serious movie buff, so i may not have as many movies to draw from, but my choice for the best movie about american religion is "leap of faith" with steve martin and debra winger. it neatly describes the very deep undercurrent of real religious faith in america, but also shows how a huge wave religion-for-show overwhelms it.
Here's my ten on my blog.
(edited for typo and resubmitted)
This meme really seems to be making the rounds – I Googled the phrase and got several dozen responses, but it seems to have started with one of the top 5 in the list below:
Lance Mannion
The Sheila Variations
Daily Kos
Cinemarati
My Left Wing
Life On the Wicked Stage
Sisyphus Shrugged
lawnorder
Sheila and LAnce seem to point to each other as the inspiration for the other.
Oh, and my own disordered selection...
i give a great big dead on target to your choice of "apocolypse now." platoon is a beautiful allorgory, full metal jacket was scary/funny/sad and great cinema. what gets me with coppola's film is that it is the one that makes me feel like i felt over there. all of it. there are many moments like when the chopper blades morph into a ceiling fan to the whew!shit!only a dream moment that were part of my personal experience before they were shown to me on the screen. don't apologise for the 2 john waynes. (it's a sign of weakness)
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That's my version. A little less on ideals of self-represenation and more in the direction of commentary on said representation.
Now for the real billion dollar question: Could you make a list like that representing Canada?
I'd agree with American Beauty, but in order to fully appreciate the point you'd have to include the take-home pay on the movie for Sam Mendes, Kevin Spacey and whoever the producers were.
For the Woody Allen movie, I'd include The Front.
For the western, Culpepper Cattle Company (so forgotten now, apparently, that it isn't on Netflix).
Maybe Brazil?
I guess TV series aren't allowed, but could you put in just the first episode of Band of Brothers?
I haven't actually seen The 40-Year Old Virgin yet. I'm saving myself.
I haven't worked out a top 10 yet, but I'm pretty sure Casablanca and Back to the Future would be on there. Probably a Disney flick, too, though I've no idea what.
May I humbly suggest, "The Big Parade" ('25) and "I am a Fugitive From a Chain Gang"('32).
And to a lesser extent, "Our Dancing Daughters"('28).
WTF?
Not one Frank Capra movie?
Are you all mad?
Here's mine: http://chained.blogsome.com/
The Searchers is one of my favorite movies ever.
Just thought you'd like to know.
I would have said that CADDYSHACK was a better comedy about class than THE GRADUATE. Plus, for the age of the DVD, it has two bonus features.
1) Maybe the most consistent "guy quote" movie, ever. And it's not geography specific. (Like the way the BLUES BROTHERS is mostly quoted by guys in Chicago.) I am not sure I have ever met any guy, ever, who has not quoted the line "It's in the hole", at least once, often in inappropriate circumstances.
2) Unlike THE GRADUATE, it's still pretty funny.
For a religious movie: Elmer Gantry. Not a perfect film, but mining the most accurate text on american religion that I've yet read.
As for Apollo 13: it doesn't resonate with the astronauts that I know.
Westacular, I was wondering the same thing about movies summing up Canada. Are there ten such movies?? I am so not a film buff, so I have no idea.
(Though I'm having hilarious visions of getting a few films from the National Film Board...)
Network.....A Face In The Crowd....as much about America now as they were when they were released
One that I haven't seen mentioned yet that should be there is "Chinatown" covers the whole control of natural resources angle of the development of the west.
another thought, as much as I love "The Searchers" if picking just one western "The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance" might be the pick.
I think you really need two westerns though, "The Searchers" for cowboys and indians and if not "Man...", "High Noon" or "Shane" for the gunfighter mythology.
I'll definitely do this on my blog... If I can find the time.
What about teen culture over the decades?
American Graffitti
Dazed & Confused
Fast Times at Ridgemont High.
etc...
Caddyshack
Rocky or Rudy
As a Canadian I may be profoundly unqualified... but what about "It's A Wonderful Life"? Family, community, faith (and an uncomplicated Hollywood faith at that) and the happiest of imaginable endings. It strikes me as the world that America sometimes wishes it was... and it still makes me misty every time.
I'd trade a John Wayne for his urban archetype opposite number, Humphrey Bogart.
maltese falcon - magical thinking corroding into greed, hysteria, and monomania. plus, you've got a decent guy just trying to do his job and stay above it all, with mixed success. gets bogart on the list, eliminates the need for wall street or just about anything by oliver stone.
maltese falcon was mine, sorry about the anonymous. dj's right about mr. roberts, although i think a lot of people overlook it because it's clearly a play transported to the screen (they never leave the boat!) so a lot of film buffs may not regard it as proper 'cinema.'
Westacular,
Some movies to sum up Canada (less than 10):
1. Hard Core Logo (2004) How we relate to fame.
2. Last Night (1998) Canadian armaggedon pic.
3. Black Robe (1991) Jesuit/Native relations in the 17th Century as both history and an allegory of modern tensions.
4. Jésus de Montréal (1989) Reconstructs the Passion an explores modern isolation and classism.
5. Dance Me Outside (1995) Great story that still explores Native issues in Canada.
6. Perfectly Normal (1990) Indescribable sort of comedic buddy pic, but very Canadian.
7. H2O (2004, TV) sums up our discomfiture regarding both our own politicians and our big, often-scary neighbor to the south.
PS. Re:"Top Gun":
"Team America: World Police." hits all the same notes, skewers them, and takes on the entertainment juggernaut besides. Plus, it's funny.
I almost hate to say this, but if you really want to explain America shouldn't you include Jackass? It's not flattering but it explains so much.
Yeah, but Team America made no money, wheras Top Gun was insanely popular at the time. The fact that it was so popular is very revealing about what makes this country tick. I guess you can look at this list in one of two ways -- which movies as works of art say something about America, or which films reveal the nature of America via their cultural impact.
Oh, and the only Canadian movie worth mentioning is Strange Brew.
isn't the only movie that explains Canadians really "Men with Brooms"?
*g,d&rvf*
Nashville is a comedy. The first two scenes feature Laugh-In stars, for chrissakes. Well, part-comedy, anyway.
I'd look at Hitchcock. Shadow of a Doubt seems like the obvious choice, but Lifeboat does a good job of putting America in a global/ideological context. (Plus, those guys never leave the boat either, and there's tons of proper cinema.)
Has Citizen Kane already been listed to death? It hits both American history and being an evocatively American artifact in itself.
Lifeboat, Strangelove, yes, yes, yes...
Now the real challenge is to decide on the One True List and then convines the bunnies to act out the most telling scenes in say 5 min. or perhaps their first full feature film.
"convines" is a modern adapted spelling form of the word "convince." I don't want anyone thinking I was trying to con, trick or otherwise force the 30 second bunnies into a cinematic explanation of America.
Considered "Leap of Faith" for a good one about religion in America?
My list:
The Day the Earth Stood Still - Our hopes and our fears
Easy Rider - Our WTF? attitude
Die Hard - Our xenophobia and cowboy attitude in a glossy package
Destry Rides Again - Our self-doubt conquered by the sense of community
Silent Running - Our politics in a nutshell
At Close Range - The dark side of our Big Daddy worship
The World According to Garp - Middle class life and love
The Grapes of Wrath - A timeless story of migrant workers, even more poignant today
Vertigo - The lengths we'll go to for a busty blonde beauty
Disney's The Kid - What every baby boomer tries to recapture
Codename: Silencer
Abducted II: The Reunion
Deadly Embrace
Xtro II: The Second Encounter
Vigilante Force
Haunting Fear
Midnight Witness (aka Maximum Force 2)
Animal Instincts
Beyond the Call of Duty
Escape to Grizzly Mountain
Because Jan-Michael Vincent is America.
Special bonus pick: It's Pat (The Movie)
Hard to decide what's American when Americans seem divided into two houses right now, and think that only two colors will do. Blue and red. But ANYway.
I just can't believe that this one hasn't been mentioned yet:
Star Wars (of course I mean IV!)
The American Dream in a nutshell... 'Everyman' grows up on a dirt farm, whines at his parents, escapes home, and gets caught up in a crazy adventure they didn't really ask for, then wins it all in a big shooting match through a stroke of "Divine" fortune. And before Lucas decided that Leia was the sister, Luke apparently got the girl, too.
It's what Americans all believe *should* happen to us... deep inside, even if we're too cynical to admit it.
And we all want lightsabers, magic powers, sassy robot buddies, and spaceships too.
If Futurama was only a movie, it might be an even BETTER mirror of America, albeit a bit more indirect than the Simpsons...
Has anybody mentioned "How the West Was Won"? I'd put that in for the same reason Rogers likes "Sands of Iwo Jima": It's who we think we are and who we want to be.
Plus, the sad music in one of the Jimmy Stewart segments shows we have good taste.
Hoosiers is the first movie i thought of and an eloquent explanation of the American Dream.
For Canada,
1. Les Invasions Barbares
2. Strange Brew
3. Atanarjuat
...plus the other seven from anonymous at 10:46am
BTW, Top Gun not funny? Are you kidding?
Hoop Dreams
Chinatown
Saving Private Ryan
Krush Groove
Roger and Me
The Iron Giant
Why We Fight
Do the Right Thing
Rocky
Thelma and Louise
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