Friday, November 06, 2009

Your Entertainment Setup

Ran into an interesting design problem the other day. The house we moved into (it was a flip, old house/new wiring) has one of those iPod docks in the front room. Pop in the iPod, play though speakers built in through the whole house. The CD player and AV receiver running the system are tucked away in a nook, on a shelf just above the stacked washer/dryer units. The wires for the system run from a hole in the wall behind them, into the back of the receiver.

Now of course, you don't need to do a hard-wire hookup anymore -- just connect your A/V receiver up to an Airport Express and stream your music. Which is what I was intending on doing last weekend ...

... until I discovered that the power outlet running the AV receiver was behind the washer dryer stack. No way I'm pulling down a half-ton of machinery to plug in an Airport Express that probably won't fit back there anyway when you replace the washer/dryer. By hiding the power outlets behind the appliances, the designer made the wiring cleaner, simpler -- and utterly un-upgradable. Of course, why would you upgrade? You can hook up your speakers to your iPod! When will we ever invent anything cooler than that?

I theory, I can't even unplug and replace the AV receiver without pulling out those appliances. Remember, when installing anything in your house:

a.) Assume it will break, or you will need to remove it at some point.
b.) Remember you will be pissed off and impatient when doing so. Design backwards, to minimize your own frustration. The longer it takes to make it pretty, the longer it'll take to tear it out it when you need to. When, not if. When.

Actually, let's make this more than a grouse. Your entertainment setup, in the Comments.
Mine is very simple:

-- Sharp Aquos 42'
-- Tivo Series 3 HD (with those accursed Time Warner cable cards that reset themselves every three months). When I moved back to LA, went with Time Warner Cable after years of satellite for the Tivo interface. I have experienced a DVR without the Tivo interface. We will never speak of it.
-- Xbox 360
-- Apple 1Tb Time Capsule/Router
-- Rivet
-- Handbrake

Both the Tivo and Xbox have access to Netflix Streaming, the Tivo also gives access to Amazon VOD and now Blockbuster streaming. The Xbox also plays my ripped media stored on my Time Machine (it's connected by an ethernet cable) through Rivet. Apparently Orb, the stream-everywhere program is now available on Mac, so I'll download it just to give it a try and report back.

Considering getting an OPPO region-free DVD player, but to tell the truth I usually just rip my (personal, legally purchased) foreign DVD's with Mac the Ripper and then convert them to mp4 with Handbrake . *

You can use just Handbrake now, apparently, but I got into the habit of the two step process and some irrational part of me likes breaking the task down into specialized programs for each step. If you have any settings you like for Handbrake, toss 'em in. Tuning Handbrake is a sub-hobby all its own.

No, no Blu-ray. Regular old HD is just fine, thanks. I don't upgrade often, or go for the biggest/most expensive. My fetish for one-bag travelling extends all the way down through my life.

80 comments:

LarryFleming said...

I feel you pain on inheriting someone else's wiring mess. I had my current house pre-wired and even had them put a piece of pvc from the basement to the attic, for more wires. I have every room wired for TV, phone, intercom, computer. I do have two separate wireless routers and wireless phones...I'm a techno geek...

alikitty619 said...

I think it's the girl in me, but I only understood about 1/3 of that. Hope your wiring issues are solved soon.

@alikitty619

Anonymous said...

I used to have a TViX HD Media player, but it was a bit clunky and I found I was spending more time coming up with workarounds than actually using it as intended. Setup is now:

1.85 GHz Mac Mini running EyeTV (for watching and recording Digital Freeview), iTunes (for music libary and rented video), Spotify (streaming music) and Plex (for ripped DVD collection / iPlayer and similar). I still have to use Front Row for some things, but in the main I use Plex exclusively now. Of course, I can also use the optical drive in the Mini to watch a DVD or play a CD on the occasion I fancy being quaint.

Rowmote Pro app for iPod Touch acts as a Universal Remote / Mouse / Keyboard for Mac Mini. Also, EyeTV app and Apple Remote app.

500Gb Time Capsule / 2x500GB drives for backups

DVDs are ripped using a combination of RipIt and Handbrake for the same no-particular-reason-except-habit that Rogers describes above.

Carver said...

You should see the wires behind my tv.
-42 inch Vizio Plasma
-Mac Mini with Boxee and a 1 tb external hard drive, also used to store music collection and various ripped videos
-Xbox 360
-PS3
-My cable box
-Wii

The mini with boxee is used for most of my streaming, even from videos from the main computer. Streaming to the 360 never seemed to work smoothly enough, except on the Netflix. PS3 was later addition, but similar issues with streaming as the 360, so I hooked up the mini almost as a media server.

This is all controlled by am older LG Harmony remote, which I LOVE that it works with damn near everything.

At least in my apartment I only really have one room to worry about wiring.

Unknown said...

Can I come live in your basement?

I had regular broadcast tv until 2 years ago. My daughter had NO Video game system growing up (Turn off the tv and read a book!!!)

I have a 19" tv in my room and a 32" non-HD flat screen in the living room.

Again I ask - can I come live in your basement?

mbuckbee said...

I have a 48" Vizio Flatpanel to which I have hooked up the Wii, XBox 360, Verizon FIOS DVR, some relatively cheapo upscaling DVD player and a Dell Mini 9 that I've hackintoshed into a XBMC + Boxee + iTunes system.

It's no Kung Fu Monkey, but if you find this system stuff interesting we're writing about this sort of thing at http://www.killthecable.com

As Leverage is on TNT and everything, I feel like I should probably throw in that the site isn't about getting rid of cable stations, but about watching shows when and how you want (for instance being able to watch Leverage without have to pay for 5 HD Golf channels).

Becky said...

Our apartment has two cable jacks, one in the bedroom and one in the living room. Neither work.

The building complex is filled with satellite dishes, but after my own traumatizing experience with them, there's now way I'm going down that road again. We brought in Time Warner and had them loop a cable from our living room, through the hallway, out the front door, and across the entirety of the apartment complex (hidden in the rain gutters) to the opposite end of the building in order to be hardwired. The boy won't abide fragile internet connections, so it was a priority.

SETUP:
-- Sony Bravia HD (42inch?) (a very generous gift)
-- TiVo Series 3 HD w/ Time Warner cable card
-- XBOX 360
-- PS2
-- Wii
-- Wii Fit Board (lives under the coffee table, I'd consider that part of the setup)
-- Wireless router
-- Wireless keyboard (see below)

I occasionally use TiVo Desktop from my laptop to stream my iTunes library on the TV (it's the best speaker system we have in the house), but the actual control system for that program is pretty shoddy, in my opinion, and navigating between albums on the TV itself is cumbersome to the extreme, what with the lack of a A-Z keypad.

The boy frequently hooks up his Dell Mini to the TV when we're working on shared documents via the wireless keyboard, or when he's playing OG Arcanum and wants a widescreen effect.

Like you, we get Netflix through both the 360 and the TiVo, bless them.

Mark B. Wise said...

Sympathies. I swore a mighty oath long ago to never own an "entertainment center" that wasn't wheeled or similarly easy-access.

Hiding the unsightly wires behind 300 lb. of furniture looks really pretty until something breaks...or you upgrade a component...or The Furry House Rat unplugs a cable.

Blaine said...

- 46" Sharp Aquos
- TiVo (Srs2, but only 'cause I'm in Canada)
- Denon tuner to organize all the ins and outs
- PS3, Xbox 360, Wii - for work
- 1GB Time Capsule

I've been using Nullriver's MediaLink to stream content from the Macs to the PS3. Didn't know about Orb or Rivet; will have to check those out.

No Netflix north of the 49th, either, but Xbox Live is trying to make up for that in its way. Expect PlayStation Network to build out, too.

Most TV watching is on the PS3 streaming from the desktop Mac. But I don't ever torrent those great cable show from the U.S. that have no Canadian distribution. Never.

Unknown said...

Hmmm, it looks like Griffin stopped making the AirBase, which is a shame. Divorces the APX from the wall outlet, I've got one and it's pretty cool. Barring that the APX will take the same extension cord that comes with current Mac laptops, if you've got one of those laying around. The prongs on the APX slide out just like any other Mac power cube object.

LarryFleming said...

I didn't go into the hardware, frankly cause I can't remember it all. I don't personally have a Mac, my older son does. We all do have iPhones. I think there are 6 TV's , all flat screens - mine is a 50 inch plasma. I do have Blu-Ray players, since they play standard DVD formats too. We do use Netflix, they are great.
I love my DirectTV HD. I use my video editing software to rip and reburn, all to a Sony Blu-Ray burner. We have 3 xBoxes, a Wii and 5 PC's, plus everyone has a laptop. I have so much hardware, because its part of my job, I have to test it all, so its all a write off...
BTW, in resp, my basement is full. We host a number of foreign exchange students.

Cindy said...

The setup sounds familiar, except the hidden wiring and speakers throughout the house.

-42" Vizio LCD
-xBox 360
-old Kenwood receiver
-Cable box with a dvr and external drive hooked up to add storage space.
-new Mac Mini hooked up as a HTPC (plex is my new friend)
-old Mac Mini (PPC) in the other room as a server with an external drive for music and video streaming.
-Thinking of investing in NullRiver's Connect360 since it can work on PPC/Tiger systems for streaming as well.

The back of the entertainment center is a nightmare but mercifully it doesn't have to be dealt with that often and it's nothing like having a washing machine blocking the outlet.

Anonymous said...

Several-year-old NAD multichannel receiver. Inputs:
1: DVD
2: 2nd DVD (multiregion)
3: Cable network TV/DVR
4: PS2
5: Wii
6: Airport Express (stream from itunes)

I read that Netflix is likely to launch streaming through Wii soon which I'm looking forward to.

Output:
video 69" flatpanel
audio Martin Logan Aerius speakers (R&L, rear R&L), ML Cinema (center), ML Grotto (sub)

Forest of cables behind the stand, of course. Surge suppressors on all the power jacks.

TV & AV equipment on a Boltz stand, Boltz racks for the DVDs and CDs around the walls. I like Boltz stands and racks: sturdy, stable, very space efficient, and lots of open space in the stand for accessing the back of the AV components for cables.

Sean Fagan said...

Amateurs. :)

In the back bedroom, I have:

-- 54" JVC HD-ILA
-- XBox 360
-- Dreamcast
-- Playstation 2

In the front bedroom, I have

-- 37" vizio LCD TV
-- Apple TV
-- PlayStation 3

In the living room, I have

-- 55" Samsung LED-lit LCD
-- Onkyo A/V receiver
-- DirecTV HD DVR HR-21
-- TiVo Series 2 with DirecTV (aka DirecTiVo)
-- Series 3 TiVo
-- TiVo HD
-- PlayStation 3 Slim

That's not counting the networking or server equipment.

(Now, in all honesty -- the JVC was replaced by the Samsung, and I'm trying to sell it. The Vizio got moved to the front bedroom because I had to put the JVC somewhere.)

xcelsior said...

Sucks about the wiring. Ran into the same thing with the outdoor speaker system in our house. Nice idea at the time, but quickly became more trouble than it's worth.

Entertainment Center
42" Aquos
Tivo Series 2 (waiting for an Xmas deal before upgrading the Tivo)
Mac Mini running Plex
Wii
Sony Surround system

Use an iPhone app called Air Mouse to interact with the mini when a keyboard is required. It's *almost* simple enough for the wife to use without me around, but not quite there yet. I think a Harmony remote will be that final step.

Cindy said...

Love the harmony remotes. They make life so much easier when company comes over, etc. You don't have to hover or create a cheat-sheet of processes for guests, it's so nice.

Jason Pollock said...

We got a 1920's house that had several rooms with only a single power outlet and only one phone jack in the entire house.

So, I've put power onto each wall, dual RJ45 jacks wherever I would want a phone jack and coax connections (how retro) into the living room. Since I also hate power bars, I have also put large numbers of power points wherever I would want a bar. The study has a grand total of 18 power points, the living room - 14.

I've got:

5TB NAS holding my DVDs as .iso images, all special features and menus are intact, but the annoying FBI warnings are skippable. I can't rip BluRay as .iso, seems no one plays them.

3Ghz Core2Duo media playback machine, running Linux/Boxee, with a VPN connection to the US for Pandora and Hulu (cheaper than a torrent!)

HDHomerun network attached dual DVB-T tuners. Watch TV on any PC!

Panasonic 50" full HD plasma.

Generic Samsung HTIB.

Courtney said...

I'm glad our setup isn't as complicated as yours sounds!

In the living room built-ins:
42 inch flat panel Vizio HD tv
dvd player
Time Warner cable box

On the shelves next to the tv cabinet:
stereo and cd player with one jacked up speaker that works when it feels like it

In our bedroom:
27 inch HD tv
dvr
wireless router for our internet service

I swear, if I ever build a house, I'm getting my dad to the plans. He builds houses for a living and knows how to do things with an eye toward future updating.

syl said...

My entertainment setup is a 15-inch PowerBook.

(I also own a record turntable, which I'll get out of storage and back into use sometime soon.)

kkisser said...

All of our power outlets are behind bookcases because we have a lot of bookcases. we solved the problem with our airport express by simply adding a 3 ft extension cord. The express now sits on top of a book case in our living room, and is connected to the stereo auxiliary port for streaming our music in the living room.

We've canceled cable TV and just have Netflix streaming (running through Roku), Wii and a DVD player. This handles pretty much all of our needs, though the geek in me would like to go disc-less and digitize all our owned movies currently on disc, the same way we did with all of our music. The cool part about having our music on iTunes and the stereo hooked up to the airport express is, I can use the remote app on my iPod touch to DJ when we have dinner parties.

We've been debating about how to set this up. I'm leaning towards the new apple mini server to handle the hardware needs. This would essentially turn our TV into a computer that happens to also have Roku and Wii hooked up. I'm not seeing a downside to this, other than the cost of the hardware ($800 for the mini server, another $600-800 for a new TV as our old one is going).

Also, we're pretty much skipping blue ray and going strait to an all streaming, disc less media set up, other than the occasional Netflix disc (and our as-yet undigitized DVD collection).

Anonymous said...

Is the back of your AV receiver accessible? Most of the ones I know of have an AC outlet on the back (normally switched).

Stefan Jones said...

I have a undersized HDTV in the living room, with a DVD/VCR combo, a stereo / amp / radio, and a "TiFaux" (MythTV running on a PC).

If I get some kind of financial windfall I might get a 42" LCD set, and put the 32"er in my office. I feel stupid getting such a "small" set.

Shows like Venture Brothers, Leverage, and Mad Men keep me subscribing to standard cable. If Comcast starts scrambling the standard lineup I'll go to the Basic lineup and use the money I save to subscribe to NetFlix.

Cunningham said...

My entertainment center is my laptop and a wifi connection. I don't have a broadcast ready TV in my home. Much of my TV viewing is a small window in the corner of my computer screen as I work.

Like Syl - it's my computer, TV and record player all in one. I do have an old Ipod shuffle that I use for podcasts when I'm on the subway.

My work system is an Apple G5 with a studio display and a couple of Bose speakers. My partner has his studio display setup so that he gets back-to-back episodes of FRAZIER from a feed. (I like Frazier too, but it's a bit much). I have FLASH FORWARD running now as I type this though I just recently ran 4 episodes of THE BORDER and a lot of other international television.

I also have a little kids Superman TV/DVD player that I use for DVD screeners every once in awhile.

impwork said...

My sound system isn't exciting so I'll turn this into mention a few glitches in bigger buildings from a how not to design building systems course.

1) A ventilation system on a unit that was put in so the controls were against a wall.

2) Control panel for all a buildings heating, vetillation and automatic systems placed 3 floors up the inside of an atrium on a sheer marble faced wall.

3) A lift which went from basement to top floor of a tower but had no call button in the basement and where the security guards frequently locked the door at the bottom of the basement stairs.

Neither 1 or 2 had included any accesible alternate control or remote control systems.

Lindsay Stewart said...

I'm a wannabe luddite but I just can't seem to get there. 40" Samsung with Samsung 5 disc changer/surround sound receiver and an Xnox 360. The above lot almost never get turned on, though I've been doing a little bit of work using the TV as an external monitor for my MSI Wind (because I needed a Windoze machine for this external database stuff). I watch the majority of my DVDs on a 20" iMac where I do my writing, surfing and gooding off. Then there's the work box, a Mac Pro quad core running Final Cut Studio 2 and After Effects CS4. That's running to a pair of 24" Samsung HD flat panels. No DVRs, no cable, no Netflix and the Xbox isn't even on the wireless network.

And in my bedroom I have a lamp and too many books. Some day I may get around to ripping the DVD mountains but that sounds like it involves effort.

Matt said...

In close proximity in my living room are the DSL modem/router, the AT&T IPTV DVR, and the PS3, the latter two hooked up to the suitably large Samsung HDTV. (I had a TWC DVR when I lived in LA, and tried to avoid it as much as possible; the AT&T box sucks a little less.) Internets also feed from the DSL box to the Mac Pro in the adjoining bedroom. TV happens almost exclusively via the DVR. Every so often I download or stream something, and then watch it at my desk; if I have something downloaded that I want to watch with company, I do the necessary chicken-waving to stream from the Mac to the PS3. Music is all via the Mac and directly-connected speakers, since my apartment is small enough that I can fill the place with sound from one room.

Karl Ruben said...

My entertainment setup:

- 39" CRT 4:3 Panasonic TV
- crappy Harman Kardon DVD player
- cheapo LG DVD/VCR combo (mostly for piping the TV signal through)
- Sony multichannel receiver
- B&W stereo speakers
- Gamecube
- PS2

Obviously, I'm writing this comment from 2003. If it wasn't for the tiny black broadband TV box from my ISP, there wouldn't be any futuretastic elements to this setup at all.

Sean Hansen said...

26 inch digital TV, cheap DVD player, VHS(I do some movie screeners for low paying reviews), PS2lite, and AV switch. A reciever in the back of the room so I can listen to Little Stevie's Underground garage and tape NPR shows without taking up bandwidth.

My PC set up is a twinned desktop with a netbook which have the same music on em and an iPod. Extras are guitar and bass stuff plus cheap recording stuff.

Eugene said...

Holy smokes. Thanks for the tip about Rivet. I've been manually copying files onto a USB drive to play on the XBox.

Anonymous said...

27 inch AOC flatscreen. (Works just fine, thank you very much.)
PS3, Now with Netflix Streaming.
My iMacBook Pro which gives me Olbermann and Maddow through iTunes and Hulu for everything else.
Considering my income bracket. Not too shabby.

Anonymous said...

My setup is a little complicated, but I have a logitech Harmony remote which keeps everything sane. Anyone who has 5 remotes on the table needs to get one.

* sony rear-projector LCD TV with CableCard for live TV
* Outlaw Audio receiver / 5.1 audio
* LG bluray player with netflix
* MythTV machine for recorded SD cable, Hulu, "acquired" video files, music, etc.

The mythtv has probably been more expensive than a Tivo over the long haul, but I like having a hobby-machine to work on.

I used to record HD onto mythtv using a cablebox and firewire, but the cable companies started encrypting all their channels after the DTV switchover. There's a new way of recording HDTV from the component outputs (yay analog hole!), but I'd need to start renting a cable box again and I'm not sure it's worth it.

fliegr said...

I'm sort of a Luddite in that my audio and video are separate, but music is much more important to me so:

Krell KSA-300S driving
Thiel CS2.3s thru Cardas Quadlink
Hafler IRIS preamp
Rega Planet CD
Ariston Icon turntable
Nakamichi cassette deck just in case

Video:
Toshiba Regza 42" LCD
cheap Technics receiver handling audio through Klipsch wall mounts
off brand DVD player

Brad said...

John, there's a book about the design problem you're talking about, and similar ones: How Buildings Learn, by Stewart Brand. Worth reading.

Rich said...

Wow sounds complex but really simple.

Iain said...

From memory:

- 58cm Sony standard def tv

- Sony DVD player (that plays multiregion, thank god.)

(both wedding presents so won't be upgraded until they stop working)

- Topfield SD PVR attached to an Icebox2 wireless router for the electronic program guide

- Apple TV running Boxee and XBMC (since I finally got XBMC working I only use Boxee for online videos) which talks to a 2TB DNS-323 NAS in my study

- PS2 (plugged into the Icebox2 wireless router)

- Wii

and two VCRs that haven't been plugged in for some time.

All the networked stuff is connected via wireless (though it can take ages to get stuff off the Topfield as I have to FTP into it.)

Otherwise I can just connect up my laptop and copy the files using Altair.

Mike Cane said...

Good freakin god. Born into rabbit-ear B&W TV, I have NO frikkin idea what any of these setups do, can do, or why I'd want to have one. It's all some strange mystery to me.

It seems like a hell of a lot of effort to just watch TV and movies. Maybe someone needs to do tutorials and jam them on YouTube for people like me.

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kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... ************************************

obar herbal manjur alami said...

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kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Unknown said...

MANTAB???????????????????????????????

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

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obar herbal manjur alami said...

111111111111111111111111111111

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

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Unknown said...

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obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Anonymous said...

Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

obat ambeien wasir paling manjur mengobati penyakit wasir ambeien tanpa efek samping terbuat dari bahan alami herbal seperti daun ungu mahkota dewa kunyit putih

Anonymous said...

Assalamualaikum wr.wb, Salam Sehat semuanya. numpang komen ya gan.

Unknown said...

 Apabila menemukan ada daging atau seperti Kutil yang tumbuh di area kemaluan atau alat ...

Unknown said...

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