Tuesday, January 10, 2006

Writing: Characters and Race

Alex at Complications Ensue started it, Craig over at The Artful Writer picked it up, and now John August has weighed in (all guys I read and like a lot, by the way) , each with how they treat "racial diversity" in their script. Alex does a pass to correct what he feels is a "Whitey McWhite" vibe to his first draft, Craig thinks that's racist and John argues that diversity in names makes for a better read -- and it's worth spending the extra ten minutes in casting finding that person when the shoot day arrives.

I like all these guys, and I disagree with all of them, mostly with Craig. He kind of circles in on the point that making a character a specific ethnicity -- or NOT -- in order to promote positive or negate negative stereotypes is in itself racist. He makes a point that each character serves the story, so each detail about the person should serve the character. Anything else is axe-grinding -- and unless the point of your movie is axe-grinding, you're being hypocritical.

But in the same discussion, he mentions how he makes racial choices within a certain script for very specific purposes. Also, he discusses how many people ignore the variations whithin "white."

I don't know. Race as a tool for political correctness or for sheer storytelling both seem to strike me as two sides of the same coin.

I fall near August -- the read will be quick so you remember unique/ethnic names better -- theory, but not dead on it, with a pinch of Alex and Craig. If (see Craig) we are trying to be honest in our storytelling, then it does behoove us to (see Alex) poke around and vary things up in the script because (see me) the world I live in is multicultural. So an honest representation of it is multicutural.

I live in LA, I used to live in New York. I have lived in Boston, Ottawa and Montreal. Even in my limited circle of humans, I know a Phillipino state trooper, his Lebanese-Christian wife, a French-Candian physicist, two black science fiction writers, a Chinese-American Army reservist just back from Afghanistan, a Mormon real estate agent, a Korean comic-book shop owner, a Portugese lawyer, three Russian hairdressers, a lesbian film executive (well, more than a few of those...), a Samoan comic-book artist. and a couple Hispanic guys who run an import company for foreign video. And I'm a frikkin' writer shut-in.

I rarely make characters a certain race for any particular political point, but at the same time I very rarely make a character a certain race for a story point either. I have varied ethnic backgrounds for my characters when it makes sense that we'd be in situations where there would be a normal mix of varied ethnic backgrounds. Like, at least from my point of view, most of the world today.

Craig points out that the first person who wrote "Black female judge" was doing something interesting, while the fiftieth person was a racist hack. Or, in my case, I might make it a "black female judge" because there are decent odds that in the world we live in, call me nuts, there's no reason for it not to be a black female judge. Because there are a few. Or he might be Asian. Or Hispanic. Or white/Jewish/Catholic/Mormon whatever. Whatever strikes me at the moment, frankly.

In the first draft of The Core, DJ Qualls' character was an Indian kid, because at the time the hacker community was all abuzz with the new influx of Indian hackers with insane skills, and I thought that was pretty cool. DJ came in and nailed it, and so it became a skinny white kid. Delroy Lindo's character's race was never determined in the script (I just described a man of imposing physical presence) and Delroy got it. Alfre Woodard's character was based on this sort of ruthless Southern belle executive. But when somebody like Alfre Woodard comes along, pretty spiffy, you change it. At the same time, I made a point of one of Aaron's grad student's being foreign because, well, you go find me a physics postdoc program that's all Caucasian these days. I didn't make a point of her being a specific ethnicity (I think the actress was from Mumbai, actually) to make a statement, but to hew to reality, to make my movie world ring a little truer.

I think that Craig's putting too much weight on the race of a character. The race (or sex) doesn't matter in the story unless I say it matters. Mostly because, for many aspects of people's ordinary interaction, it isn't the end-all-and-be all. My Asian detective's an Asian detective because today's police forces are pretty multicutural, odds are one of the detectives is Asian, and that's not PC, it's more real.

Now, to be brutally honest, I rarely mention a character's race in a description. Not for any racial/PC reason, but due to a completely separate issue: I don't like character descriptions. If the reader can't figure out what this character is like from the dialogue and action, then you as the writer have failed. I actually make it a bit of a game with myself to only ever describe a character with one quick sentence, and never mention physicality. The reader will fill it in with whatever actor/persona makes the story work for them. (Allow me a sad moment of pride, but my favorite example, from Queen & Country: "MILLER enters the office. He does not make his living running about in hostile foreign countries." That's it. Everything else is the actor's job.)

All this, of course, layered atop the very practical fact that Alex is dead right in one sense -- execs assume "white" when they read any role. There's a different post in this, and the assumptions many execs make that a "black" show can only be about "being black" or whatever and "liberal Hollywood" be damned, but we'll get back to that some other time. Let's just be honest in that when you're casting -- and the writer only gets to cast in television -- if you want your show to look anything vaguely like the real world, you have to dig in pretty deep.

When I exec produce, I have to be ruthlessly serious about "all ethnicities" when I say to the casting director "all ethnicities". The voice I had in my head for Jenni's character when I wrote the script in Global Frequency was a black actress, Rachel Crawford, who played the geeky new FBI agent in my USA pilot. Her being black wasn't my PC point -- she gives great geek-girl. Come to think of it, the role in the pilot was for a Midwesterner, based on a naive assistant I once had (who herself was a Jew from Montana. Chew on that). In that same USA pilot, Kadeem Hardison came in and stole the role of the Irish New York gunslinger cop. Kadeem's "Irish gunslinger" was my take on a New York hard-ass, but the story is served just as well by a black New York hard-ass. The character and his story-telling freight -- his bastard-y and violence -- stayed intact.

One of the execs bitched that we'd wound up with the "stereotypical" white cop/black cop partnership -- so what, I'm supposed to not use the best actor because it'll be "perceived" as PC? Fuck and Off.

(Horrible-and-not-uncommon Hollywood story: when we cast Kadeem as "Riley" and Rachel as "Nicole Ferguson", one of the execs pitched that we should change the names, to something, well, "you know ..." I cannot do justice to the withering sarcasm with which Kadeem and Rachel forced him back into his hole.)

At the same time, I specifically wrote a role for a Hawaiian cop in there, because I wanted to explore some of the native rights/separatism issues in that state. A cool little storyline about issues that most Americans have no idea exist.

And this is not to say I don't have some agenda -- not to bring racial equality to the screen for it's own sake, but at least a little frikkin' reality. Let's face it -- if television showed real life, then 25% of Christian characters would be what we typically class as evangelicals, 15% would be atheists, one out of ten characters would be black, one out of ten would be Hispanic, and the same number would be completely foreign born. Only one out of four would have graduated from college with a bachelor's degree. Or to make a point which I hope won't piss off too many of my screenwriting/executive friends, if television even vaguely resembled reality there would be ten times as many visible minority characters as there are Jewish characters on television.

Yeah, tell that to every NBC Thursday night comedy lineup for the last ten years.

And what does TV give us instead? Smart white folk in cities, or redneck white folk in the country. Or, occasionally, twee smart white folk in rural settings. (This may be one of the reasons I like My Name is Earl so much -- the make-up of that town is the closest I've seen to what, from my travels as a stand-up showed me, would be the actual make-up if that town.) I'm not carrying a banner for color-blind casting or writing for politic's sake; I'd like to see more of it because what we have now is just shitty writing.

So where do we land? Every screenwriter has a cardinal rule for their work: be true, have a moral, etc. etc. Not that I ever put an enormous amount of thought into it, but my North Star is be interesting. You can have the most wonderful, sincere story in the world, but if nobody's turning pages, you haven't done your job. Conflicts should be interesting, people should do interesting things, and the world should be interesting -- which sometimes means making sure it's specifically reflective of the real world in cultural make-up, and sometimes even means making an odd choice, not for PC reasons but because it helps the script-world stay vibrant -- stay real. Because the most interesting choice is the real world.

The one thing I love about this world is that it is weird, it is wonderful, and the unexpected happens every day, enacted by a cast you never could have consciously dreamed up. We should be so lucky as screenwriters to barely touch the divine manic diversity of the playground around us. To pander to it is wrong, but so is to deny it. Just try to listen to it, and live in it, and bring that to the page. You can't go wrong with honesty.

67 comments:

Anonymous said...

Totally Off Topic

But I noticed that there is a John Rogers credited with the 3rd rewrite of the Script for "Shibumi" being developed by Weed Road.
http://www.hollywood.com/movies/fulldetail/id/375360

I was curious if you are one of the same (presumably).

Also, were you aware that Rod Whitaker (Trevanian) died December 14th?

As a long-time Trevanian buff I was wondering if you are at liberty to discuss your involvment with this project.

Regards,

Dennis

Unknown said...

Well, had no idea that was out there.

Yeah, I did the latest draft -- although I didn't read that plot listed, I didn't read any of the previous drafts -- on adaptations, I always go all the way back to the source material. Bastard's been in development for twenty years, you know.

I just heard Trevanian died. Pity, as I dug all his stuff back in the day, and we made a hell of an effort to both keep the great stuff about the book and update the rest for the movie. Some of the political stuff won't work anymore, while quite a bit of it was terrifyingly relevant. And some of the sex was very turgid 70's stuff. But there's Nicolai, there's Hannah, there's the Basque, caving, and the Mother Company. And Keanu was a MASSIVE fan of the book, which is how I got involved. So the fans will be happy.

Anonymous said...

Thanks for the info. I appreciate the detail.

If you hit the "More on this Movie" link in the right hand upper quadrant your name pops up:

Writer Credit
Cyrus Nowrasteh - Screenplay (2nd rewrite)
Bud Trevanian - Source Material (based on novel: "Shibumi")
John Rogers - Screenplay (3rd rewrite)
Robert Resnikoff - Screenplay (rewrite)
Nicholas Meyer - Screenplay (Adaptation)


Did you get to consult with Trevanian / Whitaker via Email or correspondence about the script.

I found the reference to a "Bud" Trevanian providing source material to be somewhat cryptic and intrigueing.

I am a huge fan of the book myself.

I have been wondering off and on if this movie would ever appear.

I did do some research at the library of congress some time ago (online) and Rod Whitaker / Trevanian optioned the film rights to Steven Seagal (Yuck)circa 1992. Seagal assigned the option to Warner Brothers and then the option was exercised and has kicked around ever since.

I am glad that Seagal appears not to be involved (anymore).

I must say that the brief description of the plot on Hollywood.com disturbed me (as a Trevanian purist). I found the thought of

"Assassin Nicholai has tried to find peace away from violence, but the killing of his good friend, Asa, by Nicholai's old rival brings him out of retirement to join Asa's niece in seeking revenge."

to be somewhat disturbing myself, part of the charm for me of the original was the stereotyped character "Hannah Stern". I do hope that the other Hana is left in the story.

I have been running a Google Group site about Trevanian if you are curious.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=trevanian&hl=en

Any idea if this thing will actually get filmed?

Regards,

Dennis

Anonymous said...

Interesting article. One of my scripts has race as a central theme, with most of the conflict being driven by it. Cowboys, Indians, Mexicans, even the occasional Chinese and African(-American) person, all yelling at each other and killing each other. Not that I'm writing it with the intent to sell it, but I'm guessing that would make it a hard sell. Am I right?

Unknown said...

best you can ever hope for reasonably is a good sample. if it;s a good script it will serve you.

Betty said...

I realize it's not a script, but Neil Gaiman's latest novel Anansi Boys is written from the perspective of a black man. The nice thing about it - and the only reason I'm commenting here - is that he never mentions it. You can sus it out during the book, but he doesn't make a big deal out of it. And I think it works quite nice.

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Hey, I don't come to this site for the insightful screenwriting talk. I demand more political screeds!

Patrick J. Rodio said...

I'm along the lines of NOT describing the characters.

Sometimes I will, like if I'm writing a high school script and "the TEACHER, a round man in his 40s enters...." something like that just to get a quick visual.

But normally I don't say if they're black, white, asian, whatever. I feel it leaves it open to any producer or whomever that may be reading the script to cast/think of someone they may have access to or have a deal with or whatever.

Anonymous said...

We should be so lucky as screenwriters to barely touch the divine manic diversity of the playground around us.

exactly. this is my major problem with craig's opinion on this. his idea betrays an intellectualized elitism. we have to admit as writer's that we're just one person - we have no possibility of truly writing a story that reflects the diversity and richness of the real world. we can only hope to come as close as possible. a diversity pass is one tool in the quiver that can help make up for our hopelessy idiosyncratic perspective.

Anonymous said...

Some random, hopefully related thoughts...

If it is not interesting, it is a tree falling in an empty forest, and it doesn't matter if it is a red pine, a white pine, a birch or dogwood.

Many stories do require certain races or particular character decisions as to gender, age, sexual orientation. Othello isn't the same if Othello isn't black, even though the main crux of the story isn't race but trust, envy, etc. It is a shame when a story becomes a Burger King Kid's Club advertisement where there is a white, black, girl, boy, jock, geek and kid in the wheel chair just because it needs to be sold.

Science fiction and great comedy, I believe, are by their nature often very diverse. I can't imagine Star Trek without black and white, red and green, human and android. Cosby had a rich cast presented as his family but added say a Gilbert Gotreid or Madeline Kahn, not to round out the color wheel, but because they are funny.

And if movies, TV and literature goes too far, there will just be new opportunities to play off of our expectations. Brother from Another Planet and Blazing Saddles come to mind.

If I did a diversity pass through my life, there are times my story is very monochromatic, other times my story contains a more diverse population- I am convinced there have been interesting chapters in each stage. Not that I'm looking for movie of my life, but I am a comic book alien zombie working for a law enforcement agency.

Grants Specialist said...

Excellent post.

I never got the whole PC charge. I never understood what the problem was, exactly, with having a reasonable amount of sensitivity toward others.

The problems of race that arise in filmed theater are ones of excessive ignorance and rarely excessive sensitivity.

Making everyone white in a script is a cop-out, an avoidance of reality. The places in the world where everyone really is white are just as alien to american sensibilities as a Hausa town in Mali.

MaryAn Batchellor said...

Good point. It doesn't matter unless you, the writer, says it matters. That goes for everything from age, sex, and race to phobias, physical disabilities, allergies, idiosyncracies, affinity for small dogs and preference for domestic beer.

taZ said...

Great thoughts!

Funny you start the post with "...and I disagree with all of them...", because in the post I wrote about that matter I wrote exactly the opposite. But I guess you're right too.

Geoff Thorne said...

Here is what you owe as a writer writing characters outside your own ethnicity:

respect. authenticity of voice.

Too many times audiences of color groan and cringe at minority depictions that are, shall we say, created by folks with some serious wishful-thinking issues, good and bad.

If you don't know the millieu, either refrain from including it or, better, immerse yourself.

Find truth of the character, whatever their gender or ethnicity. Find that true voice, make me give a shit about your people, and I don't care if you're Spike Lee or Spike Jones.

But do not expect universal acceptance of characters and situations that are just strawmen for some internal issues that have nothing to do with reality.

Members of Out groups have pretty good radars when it comes to telling the difference between being laughed at vs laughed with.

Sort of a survival skill.

Do your work. You get paid a shitload of cash to do it, so fucking do it.

Not a lot to ask, really, and I'm pleased to see more and more writers following this rule.

Let's hope for 100% by the turn of the decade.

Okay. By 2020. I can be patient.

(Oh. And Happy New Year, John)

Kidsis said...

Preach on, Rev. Rogers. Love it.

And I am reminded again of another reason why I adore the new Battlestar Galactica.

Anonymous said...

Your post hits most of the nails on the head on this issue, especially how casting was able to completely change the genetic make-up of the character as written in the script. And not lose a beat. That's a good story.

The Film Diva said...

TELL YOUR FRIENDS. ALL OF THEM. The antidote to racism is life experience. All this crap about "diversity passes" is an excuse to justify living a cloistured, segregated life, so I'm glad that you put it out there. Call all of those fools out. I live a diverse life. I write. I produce. I've dealt with many ignorant shut-ins saying things like "Arabs scare me" after 9/11 and calling for rewrites on scripts to make the characters "sound Black" without regard to class, educational background or situation. The only way things in Hollywood will change (and America for that matter) is for white men to call out other white men on their isht. Hell, I'd buy you a beer if I drank! And, I would like to encourage you to mentor a writer of color. Most writers can't get access, but writers of color can say that times 100. Film is experiential and if artists don't get a chance to meet other artists they can't learn. So, yeah, diversify the scripts, hire the best actors but don't forget to mentor underrepresented talent. That's how it changes.

I can personally recommend several young black writers you could mentor who have set up projects at studios and then burnt out, got shut out by politics, agented out of it, managed under it, or just plain gave up because they couldn't get the cultural nuances of these segragated upper middle class, my daddy got me my apartment and my baby beemer execs. If you don't have time, I get it. Just keep it in the back of your mind and the next time you find yourself with a little extra time, ask your agent if he has any baby writers of color you can read, and pick one. Meet with him or her. Send an encouraging email with some compliment or insight. Send up a dange flare. It will be as appreciated by the lucky recipient as I appreciated this post. I'm linking this to all the directors and writers I work with who get my blood pressure up. :-)

Anonymous said...

Here's a fun little game, guess what race I am:

Race is a tricky thing for white people. Some say it doesn't matter, but it does matter. Other people think you should inject it into your script, which means you probably only know white people and want to cover your tracks through a "diversity pass."

If someone really has to go through all that nonesense then keep all your characters white, but next time around understand that you're trapped inside your own white skin.

Erik M. said...

Great post, John! I thank you from the bottom of my little "brown" heart.

Deep Trunk said...

Not sure if Greys Anatomy has been discussed but it is (I believe) the only show run by an black woman and it is surprisingly multi-cultural. 3 main character who are black surgeons, a korean american, most couples are multi-ethnic and what is best is it is never mentioned.

Anonymous said...

I hate "me too" posts, but I just want to second everything redjack said. Couldn't have put it better, and so important. That's the real issue that underlies all the wonky debates about "appropriation of voice."

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Penderita Penyakit kondiloma atau Kutil Kelamin yang telah terinveksi disarankan untuk segera melakukan pengobatan secepat mungkin sebelum Virus HPV penyebab kutil kelamin makin banyak berkembang biak di dalam sel darah makin lama dibiarkan akan memperparah kondisi organ vital karena kutil kelamin akan terus membesar sehingga terlihat seperti jengger ayam untuk penderita yang baru tertular kurang dari satu bulan biasanya akan lebih cepat ditanggulangi obat kutil kelamin Paling ampuh dari De Nature dan terbaik ada hanya di http://obatkutildikemaluan.blogdetik.com/ untuk mendapatkan informasi yang lebih jelas mengenai pengobatan kutil pada kelamin silahkan kontak langsung di nomer 0852 808 77 999 atau 0859 7373 5656 Bagaimana mengobati Ambeien itu sendiri. pengobatan yang terbaik untuk Ambeien adalah dari luar dan dalam sehingga Ambeien benar benar tuntas dan tidak akan kambuh lagi. obat Ambeien terbaik "Ambeclear dari De Nature" AlamiAdalah obat Ambeien herbal yang memang terbaik untuk mengobati Ambeien, dan sudah terdaftar di badan obat dan makanan (BPOM) dengan nomer registrasi POM TR: 133 374 041. terbuat dari bahan alami antara lain terdiri Daung Ungu, Mahkota Dewa dan Kunyit Putih.

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cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil

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Apabila anda sedang mencari pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk pria maupun wanita segera kunjungi kami http://obatkutilkelaminwanita.blogdetik.com cara mengobati kutil kelamin pada wanita tanpa harus menggunakan operasi cukup dengan menggunakan obat khusus kutil kelamin paling manjur dari klinik de nature manjurserta sangat aman untuk ibu hamil

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Berhati-hatilah anda yang suka berganti-ganti pasangan seks, karena sangat besar sekali kemungkinannya untuk terkena penyakit kencing nanah atau gonore maupun yang lainnya.



Unknown said...

Bagi anda yang sedang mencari obat herbal buat kencing nanah atau gonore, kami sarankan untuk memilih obat herba dari De Nature dengan nama Gang jie dan Gho Siah sebagai pengobatan alternatif tradisional alami untuk kencing nanah atau gonore.

Unknown said...

Berapa Harga untuk Obat Wasir Ambeien alami daun ungu AmbeclearAmbeien adalah gangguan atau penyakit yang terjadi pada saluran pencernaan manusia

Unknown said...

Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kutil kelamin ini. Intinya, karena kutil ini muncul di daerah yang sensitif, maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada kulit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional. Sebab dokter akan menjadi sumber informasi yang baik untuk mengobati penyakit ini.

Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

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obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Unknown said...

Cara yang sering di lakukan untuk menghilangkan kutil kelamin adalah dengan cara pembedahah atau operasi, cara ini tentu memerlukan dana yang tidak sedikit. metode Pilihan pembedahan yang dapat Anda lakukan

Unknown said...

Kenali penyebab penyakit kencing bernanah sehingga cara mengobati
penyakit kencing nanah dan infeksi saluran kencing nanah dapat dilakukan
dengan benar.

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillaahirrohmaanirrokhiim ???????????????????????????????????

Unknown said...

Kadang disertai
dengan sakit saat kencing, perih, organ intim terasa panas menyiksa,
gatal,..

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... *********************************

Unknown said...

Ambeien bisa mengeluarkan darah(seperti invander salim yang terkena ambeien dan mengeluarkan darah)

Unknown said...

Sebelum kita membahas tentang pengobatan ambeien, dalam kesempatan ini
saya ingin menjelaskan sekilas tentang ambeien, agar kita semua bisa
memahami benar apa itu penyakit ambeien

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... ************************************

Reseller De Nature said...

Obat kencing nanah doxycycline
Obat kencing nanah di samarinda
Nama obat kencing nanah di apotik
Nama obat kencing nanah di apotek
Obat kencing nanah kimia farma
Obat farmasi kencing nanah
Obat kencing nanah gonore
Obat kencing nanah generik
Obat kencing nanah go
Obat gonorrhea kencing nanah
Obat gejala kencing nanah
Nama obat kencing nanah yang di jual di apotik
Tempat jual obat kencing nanah
Apotik jual obat kencing nanah
Apotik yg jual obat kencing nanah
Jual obat kencing nanah di jakarta
Jual obat kencing nanah di surabaya
Jual obat kencing nanah bandung
Obat kencing nanah kaskus
Obat kencing keluar nanah
Obat kencing keluar nanah di apotik
Obat kutil kelamin tradisional
Obat kutil kelamin
Obat kutil kelamin wanita
Obat kutil kelamin di apotik
Obat kutil kelamin denature
Obat kutil kelamin resep dokter
Obat kutil kelamin malaysia
Obat kutil kelamin apotik
Obat kutil kelamin di anus

Reseller De Nature said...

Obat kencing nanah doxycycline
Obat kencing nanah di samarinda
Nama obat kencing nanah di apotik
Nama obat kencing nanah di apotek
Obat kencing nanah kimia farma
Obat farmasi kencing nanah
Obat kencing nanah gonore
Obat kencing nanah generik
Obat kencing nanah go
Obat gonorrhea kencing nanah
Obat gejala kencing nanah
Nama obat kencing nanah yang di jual di apotik
Tempat jual obat kencing nanah
Apotik jual obat kencing nanah
Apotik yg jual obat kencing nanah
Jual obat kencing nanah di jakarta
Jual obat kencing nanah di surabaya
Jual obat kencing nanah bandung
Obat kencing nanah kaskus
Obat kencing keluar nanah
Obat kencing keluar nanah di apotik
Obat kutil kelamin tradisional
Obat kutil kelamin
Obat kutil kelamin wanita
Obat kutil kelamin di apotik
Obat kutil kelamin denature
Obat kutil kelamin resep dokter
Obat kutil kelamin malaysia
Obat kutil kelamin apotik
Obat kutil kelamin di anus

obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Unknown said...

MANTAB???????????????????????????????

obar herbal manjur alami said...

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kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

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Anonymous said...

Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit

Anonymous said...

Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..