Tuesday, September 22, 2009

LEVERAGE #207 "The Two Live Crew Job" Post-game

Yes, well, I needed sleep.

Oh, and heads up: Trigger warning. Skip the longish ranty bit down in the questions, you should be fine.

216 Comments and questions? Jesus Murphy, I've learned my lesson. Address each episode as quickly as possible before they spiral out on us.

Right, literally every human who comes in to pitch Leverage has pitched some variation of the "Other Crew" story. It was easily the oldest card on the Wall o' Ideas, from first season. You put together the Justice League, and some hard-wired bit of the amygdala demands the presence of the Injustice League. It's Campbellian.

As a result, this was one of the first episodes broken this year. Even before the rest of the writers came back, I was breaking "Beantown", Chris was working on "Order 23", and Berg jammed on "Two Live". She had an outline for the episode, much as it was finally scripted (with some exceptions in the first/second act clue paths) well before most of the other episodes were even pitched.

The problem: it was plainly a mid-season finale. That sort of scale, the stunt-casting ... of course.

But when you've got such a wee writing staff and no prep time thanks to the summer pickup, you need to write the episodes roughly in order of production. Not to mention that we learned of Gina's pregnancy the first week of shooting -- while we'd never worried too much about continuity in S1, in S2 we had to arc her character so we had a good reason for her to depart before she became unshootable.

To her immense credit, "unshootable" was our call, not Gina's. Gina wasn't hesitant to work as long as possible under any conditions. I mean, at one point she she was squeezing 7 months of pre-mommy down ... well that would be telling. But we're not a hospital show, we can't throw her in a surgical gown and have her stand behind gurneys. At some point, some shit is going to blow up, running will be involved, and a body double only goes so far.

Episode 7 made the most sense for her departure, and "Two Live Crew" gave us the best matching plot for that moment. So "Two Live Crew" was shelved -- a heartbreaker when you're already four weeks behind on the normal "John's Backup Plans A Through M Writing Schedule". Berg switched off to a corporate retreat story. That sonuvabitch proved unbreakable (great setting, interesting dynamics, but just didn't work. That's a tease, that sort of story) and so she switched over to "The Fairy Godparents Job".

For those of you who want to join the Sausage-Making Factory, that's a lesson worth learning. Every show has a couple unbreakable episodes cooking around. For all the thousands of pages shot during the life of a show, there's half that again in aborted outlines, broken drafts, and scripts that just couldn't be shot for the budget littering the three-ring binders of the script coordinator. But, as our great Sitcom Forefathers taught us, "We use all the parts of the Buffalo." Pieces of those broken scripts have wound up in the produced episodes of S2 -- hell, sometimes there's nothing but the "CUT TO"s left unplundered.

And so, just a few weeks before it was to be shot, we turned to back to "Two Live Crew." As Berg mentioned in her interview at IF Magazine, she was pretty whipped after coming home from Portland (on-site for #204) and so she was more than amenable for me to jump in and write with her. To tell the truth, I (selfishly) kind of insist on writing the big arc-y scenes for the characters, and with this as Sophie's departure, I was going to be up to my unwanted elbows in it anyway.

The ep as shot is very much as outlined, with two exceptions.

1.) the original 1st/2nd act were much more investigatory, with the team first unwittingly recovering a forgery for the clients (instead of finding Dogs Playing Poker) and then following the clue path through the forger to the Auction House.

2.) Wil Wheaton was a girl.

The problem with 1.) was that we knew it was the "Evil Leverage-verse" episode, all the fun STARTED when the audience knew it was the "Evil Leverage-verse" episode, and yet we didn't really meet them until Act 3. Berg and I got as far as rebreaking to an attempt on Sophie's life, and Downey was the one who actually came up with the funeral idea. Again, Spec-Monkeys, this is why you have a writing staff. Downey's writing attack is "place." Once he's got the setting in his head, he can parse every inch of story and character funny out of it. Much like I crave momentum, Berg craves character emo, Boylan craves big speeches and Rieder craves adorable tiger cubs, it's his first instinct.

Knowing we'd go to the "draw 'em out" funeral in Act Two, that gave us the inspiration for the Big Attempt on Sophie in Act One, and that, backing up, led to the parallel break-ins. So even though our team doesn't meet the "Evil Team of Evil Leverage "until Act 3, the audience has, and is now looking forward to the conflict. Forward momentum with intent.

Full credit to the change in 2.) belongs to Berg. We originally had each member of the Leverage team opposed by a member of the opposite sex. Parker/Apollo (we knew we'd be using Apollo from Day One), Eliot/Sister Kickass, Hardison/HaxorChix, Sophie/Stark. In theory, the Leverage team had the advantage because of Nate. We evolved past that in the outline but those pairing stayed.

While we were casting, it was Berg who suggested "you know, we've been saying over and over again we want a good role for Wil ..." We'd planned on making him a suited villain, but the geek cred he brought to a hacker role was just too good to pass up. We switched the character over, and Wil came on board.

Originally Noa Tishby's character was Asian, but when we opened up the casting choices we saw her tape, found out she'd served in the Israeli Army, and our first intinct was: "That looks like a women who can take a punch. And land one."

(Fun Fact: Noa was the one who saw the potential of the Israeli TV show which became HBO's In Treatment, acquired the rights and brought it to American producers.)

After that, the shoot was breeze. Or, at least, as breezy as it ever is when you shoot a feature film in seven days. I got drunk with Wil a few too many times ("So you're saying your first action post-Singularity ..." "More Land of the Lost episodes." "Not a cure for cancer --" "LAND. OF. THE. LOST!"), Apollo turned out to be a fine and expressive actor, and Sophie's goodbye scene made the PA's cry. (Gina chose the red coat she wore in that final scene btw.)

Let's open up the question box and see what's in there.

@Gwendolen: our Team was able to break into the Anti-Team's hideout to steal the forgeries, why didn't they just steal the first painting (and use the theft at the gallery merely as a distraction)?

"Let's make it five," Stark says, revealing the copies. We establish that only the copies of the second painting are in the warehouse, the first painting is at some undesignated location.

@DISAFAN: Will we be seeing Chaos again? In less than 10-20 I mean. Seems like a fun guy to bring back.

Considering fans are having Wil sign autographs as Chaos, yes, I think he'll be back. And just to answer the maybe 50 questions about this -- yes, you will see these characters again. Season 3 has a ... slightly different vibe.

@Michelle: So Hardison's little 'Yall's nasty" comment .. was that improv or scripted.

Improved, I believe. Although I think he had something else scripted.

@Bardic Lady: 1.)Are we meant to infer that Eliot and Noa Tisby's character have a fling immediately following the episode? 2.)I know I recognize Marlowe and Archer as names from something, but I can't place it right now, can you assist?3.) How on earth is Parker going to deal with Sophie coming back and not going by Sophie anymore? Playing dead was bad enough...

1.) Oh hell yeah. And during parts of it. 2.) Although most people got the Philip Marlowe reference, Sophie's name comes from PI Lew Archer (although Spade's murdered partner in The Maltese Falcon was also named Archer) 3.) It should be an interesting adjustment. For us, too.

@bluehex: I apologize if the question has been asked before, but is Eliot's name a nod to "Hellraiser"

Nope. It's just the most non-punchmeister name Downey and I could come up with.

@ita: The first time they hit the auction house, what was Eliot's job? Apart from fate getting him where he needed to be.

Hey ita!! Eliot's often on the ground during cons as both physical backup and to check on the the real-world conditions of things Hardison has found on his many blueprints.

@Becky: I did like how the wound on Christian's temple was worked into the fight. That was perfect. Was the fight scene filmed before or after he pulled his own stitches out?

After. Please, don't encourage him.

@elcucuyfeo: Now on to the question, I have noticed in flashbacks we always see "lil Parker" Will we see any Lil other team members?

We actually see L'il Nate Ford coming up in the back half of the season.

@Wil Wheaton: When Chaos gets a spin-off, how many robots will live with him in his apartment?

Five, but they're a rotating set of personalities. Different crime crew with Chaos every week!

@Anonymous: Given the lack of honor amongst thieves from Chaos, after getting caught wouldn't he rat everyone out for a reduced sentence?

Try catching them. Big head start, and Hardison covers their trail very, very thoroughly.

@ellinor: When we see Sophie's tombstone the first time, it says Katherine, and the second time, it says Sophie. Are we meant to understand that she had it changed?

Yes. She is burying the identity associated with the name "Sophie Devereaux."

@Gaby: But as Sophie is on the tombstone, will she still be called Sophie by the group? I'd assume so, it's all they've ever known, but it will be interesting. And I do wonder if this Katherine is her real name. We've been hinted at it before, but to choose Katherine twice has to mean something.

We're still up in the air what she'll be calling herself in Season 3. She chose Katherine Klive as her Boston acting alias, as Catherine Clive was one of the first women to perform Shakespeare.

@Woodrow Jarvis Hill: The "fighting in their heads" reminds me of Midnighter from THE AUTHORITY. I see you co-wrote, John (at least according to one site!), so -- deliberate homage, or just clever way to get out of the inevitable damage they'd cause fighting each other in that antiquities room? Either way, it was awesome to see, and unique for TV.

It's actually meant to be primarily a Shaw Brothers homage (hence the filmlook we laid on it), but yeah, you are officially the first person to guess that Eliot's true fictional role model is the Midnighter. But please, please, don't spend a thousand Comments figuring out who the Apollo on the team is ... the sequence is also a reference to the Miyamoto Musashi story called out by @VideoBeagle

@Alexandra: Questions about the imagined fight scenes, because the concept was cool but the execution was too amazing for words: Whose idea was it to do the scratched film effect on those? Did that come straight from Amy's script?

Although I'll take geek credit for the "shadow fight" (and try explaining that to people who've never seen those movies), it was actually our friends in post-production. led by VFX kingoin Mark Franco, who came up with the idea of the scratched filmstock.

@JackAttack: 1.) So if Marcus didn't send Sophie the bomb, why was he so sure at the funeral that it wasn't an accident? And if he was, wouldn't he have been trying to find out who killed her? 2.)who were all the attendees at the fake funeral? people paid by Nate to show up? or were they friends with Sophie as "Katherine" (assuming that's the identity that she used to purchase/rent her place that was blown up)

1.) Marcus is well aware that there are a lot, lot of people who want them dead. Every year you live in Crime World is a bonus year. 2.) Those were "Katherine's" friends from the theater community.

@carol: I would like to know what the old couple will do with the painting - technically it is still stolen so do you have a Word of God as to how they dealt with that?

Possession is nine-tenths of the law, and they'll be able to prove provenance, which the other owner was dodging with his influence and money. Basically, they would have won anyway if they could have gotten a fair hearing, so the evil millionaire just isn't going to press a court case. The whole legal field of recovered art is quite fascinating, actually ...

@Amber: Why did Parker have such a hard time adjusting to Sophie's faked death? Also, will we see more development in Parker and Hardison's relationship?

Parker's world is a very ... literal one. And the funeral made her deal with some issues she's kept buried for a long time. She was half-freaked out, half-teasing. As for she and Hardison -- slooooowly.

@improper Bostonian: I have to ask....what is the star trek connection? Directors and actors?

Just the network of working actors recommending each other. We got Frakes to direct, he recommended Spiner, we knew Wil from the Geekerati ... a lot of actors went through that system. It was actually TNT who first suggested Jeri Ryan (who turned out to be awesome), so that's more a coincidence than anything else.

@Elizabeth: First, if Sophie could lift the vase/bomb over her head after the pudding was added, what was preventing her from slowly putting it on the ground and walking away? Second, if Sophie had died in an explosion, there wouldn't have been an open casket! She would have been pink mist.

1.) Secret bomb physics. Shhhh. 2.) Very good embalmers in Boston.

@Bill Reed: Who put the bomb in Sophie's hands? Wouldn't she have had to come face-to-face with the Wil?

Left outside her door, she picked it up and carried it in, priming it. It woudl then explode when she put it back down.

@Robinyj: My question: Nate knew a little bit about this new team from chasing them. He's chased a lot of people. We know he caught Sophie before in the past, did he ever catch Hardison, Parker or Eliot or did he just chase them?

Caught Hardison, never caught Parker, technically worked parallel to Eliot several times, chased him a few.

@catchester: Also good to see him speaking another language. I get the feeling Eliot's a lot more clever than he ever lets on or is given credit for.

Ep #212.

@USRaider: My question is: Sophie seems to have been in a funk since the departure of the boyfriend as to who she is. Will this have an effect on her abilities as a grifter?

Grifting requires confidence. Losing her confidence, well, she'd best go get her head on straight. For eight episodes or so.

@Courtney: Does the Leverage team still do "outside" jobs?

Occasionally. Eliot and Hardison more than most.

@R.Song: Why wouldn't our team just move a table under Sophie's bomb? You can stack up some magazines to get it the right height, and, viola, walk away without moving the bomb.

They weren't 100% sure of Nate's Jenga reflexes. Also, instant pudding hack. Berg actually came up with that in her first draft of the act, but didn't use it. I literally stormed into her office and yelled at her. You come up with something that cool, you put it in the goddam script.

@TheMindFantastic: Its been said best episode ever, but the one *I* watched doesn't seem to be the one everyone else watched. You see... we are assuming Stark has a crew of FOUR, wherein he actually has a crew of SIX! He knew that Nates crew was in Boston and doing its work FOR GOOD PEOPLE! So he had two Deveraux types come in and 'HIRE' the Leverage Crew so that in the end Stark Wins the Klimpt, AND the Van Gogh (too bad it was the fake)! I mean seriously didn't everyone see that!?!?!? Chaos going all *bomb in the vase* was still his own crazy sort of plan, but Overall Stark had it all planned out and Seriously outsmarted the Leverage crew in a way that 'our' heroes think they win!

... wow. Just ... wow.

@briddle: My only question - is that Apollo's hat that Eliot's wearing at Sophie's funeral? It was awesome in a show full of awesome sauce.

No, that is his "hide my forehead gash" hat.

@kinesys: Also: Nate is in dire need of a swift kick in the head, spiritually. Any chance we'll see D.B. Sweeney again?

Nope. And things are not going to get better ...

@Anonymous: I love Leverage, and wanted to introduce the show to a hearing disabled friend. I was surprised and disappointed there's not captioning/English subtitles on the dvds. Is there a reason for this? Can we get them on the next season?

What? Seriously? I'll check on that.

@Susanne: I would also like to add my adoration over casting Noa Tisby as his counterpart, she was hot and looked competent. Please bring her back sometime (preferably to kick Sterling's ass). Really really loved this episode. Now, my question: What is Hardison's hacker alias?

Oh, Sterling gets his ass kicked, but not by ... although to be fair, he gets his licks in. Anyway, I'll ask Aldis what Hardison's hacker tag was.

@Anna: Can we get an episode where Hardison is locked up and the team finally respects the van? The Mile High Job seemed to have shades of this, but I'd love to see one where he is totally out of commission and they realize just how much harder their jobs would be without him being all "whiffy" in the van.

Oh, the van. That van becomes very important...

@Jp Corkey: However, coming after the Top Hat job, we have a second con where it looks like it's all gone pear shaped and then it turns out it was all according to plan after all. I realise this is a time honoured way of telling con job stories, but I'm beginning to miss the stories where a team plans a con, executes the plan and encounters genuine problems they hadn't planned for and still overcomes them.

Hmm. They never anticipated the speech going short in "Top Hat", or Hardison getting caught. I'm not sure that one falls in the pattern you're seeing. They ran a con on Stark in this one, but in "Iceman" they did not count on Hardison's over-acting selling the Russians, and only Nate figures out what's going on in "Lost Heir." Looking at "Godparents", "Tap Out" and "Hunter", all involve unexpected complications. Pretty much in the same places in the script (*ahem* template*cough*).

I think it's still a mix.

@thingswithwings: here was a lot I loved here. But was it completely necessary to open the episode with Nate and Sophie conning an innocent secretary through the threat of sexual violence? "Your boss is a mass-murderer-slash-rapist, you're his type, and he's coming back tomorrow"? Really? REALLY? Way to advance the culture of rape in America. Way to pander to the assholes who think jokes about rape are funny, or that making women into victims is funny. I hope lots of twelve year old boys learned their lesson, that threatening women with sexual violence will help them get their way! The really amazing part is that the little threat-of-rape-and-murder plot was completely unrelated to the main plot, and they could've distracted the secretary with ANYTHING - which I guess means yall think it's just a hilarious and funny joke when women are made to live in fear. I expected better from this show, which is why it hurts more to see this here than it does to see it everywhere else (which we do, every day). Do better. I love this show. Do better.

Okay, this spun off in the Comments, but 'll just address the first point here and let those interested go back and wade through the Comments if they want more.

I'm pretty careful about triggers, as Lovely Wife works in a crisis field, and I'm sympathetic to the issues you're raising here, but I'm going to do a short answer and a long answer.

Short answer is, we were pretty obviously parodying the culture of fear bullshit, particularly the modern American procedural, sold in American media. I'd think the addition of "wood chipper" to the run would have made that obvious. Wood. Chipper. Hellloooo Criminal Minds.

Second, no. Don't put that shit on us. I don't think it's funny that women are expected to live in fear. Which is why this show is not one of the dozen or so mainstream network shows that traffic in exploiting rape, sexual murder, and an irrational fear of violent super-predators. A field that I christened, a while ago in conversation, "Momcore."

My Mom, a super lovely lady, keeps recommending modern detective thrillers to me to read. Stuff she and her sixty-year-old friends read. So every now and then I'll pick one up -- and they are fucked up. In Jeffrey Deaver's The Bone Collector, turned into a movie with Denzel Washington and Angelina Jolie, a woman is tied to a sewer pipe and BOILED ALIVE.

W.

T.

F?

Cruise through the thick airport best-sellers and you find a parade of cunning rapists, insane serial killers and mocking pedophiles with a tendency toward baroque clue construction. The CSI shows are rape/murdertastic, and the original CSI in particular basically equates anything outside total heteronormativity with perversion deserving of a horrible death, after which sincere CSI squares cluck their tongues and solve your murder that, hey, you kinda brought on yourself anyway.

Now, those dudes are writing crime thrillers, those are the streets they walk. I'm a big fan of those shows (I actually prefer L&O: Criminal Intent, but you know), and accept that they are working withing those bounds. And although it wins Emmys, it was L&O: Rape Exploitation Unit that gave us the famous "sodomized with a violin bow." For God's sake, Harper's Island opened with a dude tied alive to a boat propeller, forced to watch as it turned on and chopped him up alive, and then for a second death they cut Harry Hamlin in half -- in fucking half on-screen-- during the pilot.

ON CBS.

Now, the nature of Harper's Island was also to a great degree parody, but I'm dubious that's how it came across to most of the CBS audience. And they were fine with it, because of a steady dose of Momcore.

Momcore. The casual mainstreaming of gory/sexual violence used to give a frisson of horror to mass culture. We don't do it, we were mocking it, and the whole show was conceived as a rejection of those boogiemen in a quest to go after some actual villains doing big-time damage to people's lives. As Downey said, back when we were developing the show: "I think everybody else on TV has got serial killers covered."

We exploit pain and misery too, parasites of culture that we are, but at least it's in going after villains everybody else seems to be ignoring.

(NOTE: There should be a Mark Millar slam in here too, but I can't work it in organically. Assume you read it.)

@Shelley: OK am I the only person here who watches classic Doctor Who? As soon as the Mona Lisa variant and five paintings showed up, I was rolling on the floor. Maybe this is because I recently watched City of Death ... the sticky note at the end was priceless.

Dr. Who ep written by Douglas Adams, btw. And he was drawing on the same obscure art theft factoid we were, I am sure.

@Mikkee: We're so fortunate to get direct feedback from you. However, since we don't get the opportunity to hear from the cast members, it would be interesting to know if they actually read what their fans have to say. Or is the prospect so time-consuming that they have someone on staff breeze through "fan mail" in order to determine whether each comment should be placed and tallied in the positive, negative or in-between category, for instance?

It depends on actor to actor, and I won't get more explicit than that. I think usually they might breeze through the first few responses, then go back to being Famous Good Looking People.

@lyndsy: Was Parker's idea about the secret Nazis a nod to her sudden interest in conspiracy theories after the Three Days of Hunter job?

No, Hardison's been lending her old Doc Savage books.

@Robert: Loved the episode. I actually thought the Top Hat Job was more of a 'squeeze' episode (where the team has to overcome obstacles that derail their initial plan) rather than a 'breeze' episode (where the reveals at the end show the team had it all going to plan the entire time). I prefer breeze episodes but I understand there needs to be both kinds. I guess that leads to a question. Do you start out knowing what type an episode is, or is it something that comes out as you write?

It tends to show up in the outlining, as that's when the obstacles to the team fall out of the planning process and on to the page.

@Nato: 2. Considering that the whole episode pivoted on Sophie's identity crisis, I thought (and really liked the notion) that Sophie was her OWN evil twin -- that the reformed, improved person she'd become was battling the "Sophie Devereaux" she used to be. I'll also second Tara's recommendation of "The Simple Art of Murder," which includes my all-time favorite Chandler story, "Pearls Are a Nuisance," in which the author turns all his staple elements upside-down, makes hilarious fun of his own style, and still turns out a terrific tale.

Well that's insightful as hell, Nato. We're a pulp show, but we do like when people catch that stuff.

And I cannot second/third/infinity recommend enough Chandler's Simple Art of Murder collection. The original essay, in particular, could be written about modern day TV procedurals without changing a word.

Hell, now you have no excuse:


@Annie: I don't try to think about it too much and just go with it. But I'm still not sure how or when the comms work. Do the others hear both sides when Nate and later Sophie talk to Stark? And related to that if they do how does that work when Stark isn't wearing one (at least not from Nate's team)? And do they hear everything that's said by any member of the team?

They are made, like Dr. Who's sonic screwdriver, from Plotconveniencetonium.

That said, they pick up what you're saying and to a limited degree what someone is saying within three feet of you. You can turn them off, but for a very private conversation most of the crew is in the habit of taking out the earbud. As in the season finale, when ... never mind.

@Lissie: wanted to ask.. will we be finding out about Sophie's persona's? Also, this question is about The Order 23 Job. I noticed how much focus Eliot lost on the job when he saw the little kid and i was wondering, did that happened to him as he was growing up? Is that why he ended up getting recruited or going into the forces or ops? I'd really love to know more of his back story. Him and Parker are the ones that really seem alike in that their pants are a complete mystery.

Left the spelling mistake in because I got a very good laugh from it. Thanks, I needed that.

Sophie killed her personas, but the new one she tries to create will make Season 3 very interesting. Eliot's past is not what you think it is, and as we stated back when the ep aired, the most obvious reason for his distress is probably not what you think it is.

24jg13: Question: How many episodes will Gina Bellman miss due to her pregnancy and when is she actually due?

Gina actually won't miss any episodes, she's just super-light in them. She's due before Season 3.

@IMForeman: Regarding Parker's Laser Escapade: I'm guessing the Lasers were a visual effect, and not a practical one... in the commentary for the First David Job one of you mentioned it's tricky to make them visible. Well, if they were a visual effect, then bravo to your effects team. They had the lasers reflecting in Parker's eyes. Going the extra mile.

Yep, and they surprised us with that. They are top-notch.

@IMForeman: If were asking for British actors, I understand David Tennant's availability is a bit better these days. ;)

I'm not sure who would explode from their crush more, Boylan or me, but I think it's best to leave that temptation alone.

@Anonymous: What was the Mussad chick saying during the reverse briefing on Nate? cause it was kinda awesome that Apollo knew who he was and i would love it if even she was a bit leery of him.

She was actually bitching about the fact Marcus Stark sent her against Eliot Spencer without warning. But yeah, Nate's famous in Crime World.

@Kevin: I'll take a second and remark on how Sophie's character arc is naturally leading her to leave the group for a while -- thus clearing the way for Gina's pregnancy. It isn't feeling forced, and that's a tribute to the writers. Not easy at all. - PCat

Thanks, Kevin. Considering we accelerated it from a 15 ep arc to seven over the course of, oh about a week, it didn't turn out half bad. As a matter of fact, I like this structure even more, because in the second half of the season we get to focus on how destructive and screwed up Nate Ford is.

@Jeff: Hardison's needs to tone it back a bit. My family has started a game of stating where he goes too far. Like when talking with the guards " your the red in my red cross" - too far. Priest in the vault of the bank "You're the twinkle in Twinkle little start" - Way to far. Otherwise I love the character.

As I hope you've seen in "The Iceman Job", that is an intentional character flaw that does and will bite him in the ass repeatedly.

@Anonymous: I must have been watching another show because the Leverage I watched was basically another silly episode put out by the writers that have taken this show so far from its roots it's terrible in comparison. The way I see it there are one of several situations in play here, a couple immediately come to mind...1) The writers are different and have taken the show off course 2) the producers have decided to try to expand the fan base by changing the show instead of giving the audience a chance to find it. Either way it's definitely a "dumbed-up" version of its original self. I hope it finds its way back because it was a fantastic show.

Hopefully, they will soon bring back John Rogers and Dean Devlin.

Just kidding. Nope, you can't like them all. And second season is the "experimental" season. Although I like all the episodes in the first half of the season, we'll see if the second half is a bit more your style.

@hearetspeed: Did the team actually Send Chaos the real painting? I saw that when they opened the box there was a sticky note that said "This is the real one!" But I guess I can't see them letting go a priceless work of art. Or have they really all evolved so much that they don't even think twice about it?

Vengeance > profit.

@Sean: As for the episode, how much does it cost(in general) to make an episode of LEVERAGE? I mean without the marketing push, just actors,writers, sets, and crew.

We are around the bog-standard cable $2 million per. Almost standard, that is.

@sadbhyl: Chaos tells Stark that everyone was always more afraid of Sophie than of him. Afraid? I can see respecting her more than him, but afraid? Was this a deliberate word choice, and if so, why?

How many people in Crime World do you think crossed Sophie Devereaux and got away with it? She holds a grudge.

@Jason: 1.) You once wrote that "rain is cheap night." Taking some guests from out of town on the WB studio tour, I mentioned this remark to them...and then we couldn't figure it out. I suppose night shoots must be more expensive because, I dunno, it's time and a half for the crew or something? But can rain really pass for night?

2.)And while I'm on the subject of questions about TV production in general and not about your show in particular, how many morgues are there? Is there just one morgue on someone's lot and everyone rents it to do their shoots there? Cuz come to think of it, they all look exactly the same, with the same rows of square stainless steel doors, always shot from the same angle, with that same door to the left.

1.) I meant "rain is good atmosphere." If you can't get moody night, get moody rain. And night is cripplingly expensive, not to mention the nastiness it does to your call times. 2.) Most TV morgues are set builds, and so are constrained to set architecture and camera conventions. There's probably natural similarities created by those two parameters.

Okay, two or three days down, then we'll pick up with #208 "The Iceman Job" one of my personal favorites in the run for this year. As always, thanks for your time and attention, and we're working very hard to cook up some bonus material to tide the fans over until Leverage 2.5 begins in January.

124 comments:

Yuzu said...

Re: your answer to thingswithwings.

Thank you. Thank your wife, please. Just thanks. Because not all of us (women and/or survivors) are looking for any reason whatsoever to vilify everything. All those kneejerk reactions dilute the actual problem in so many peoples' eyes....

Love the show and might just love you a little. ;)

Anonymous said...

1) I second Yuzu.

2)Lil Parker? Lil Nate?
Tell me I'm not the only one now jonesing for a "Lil Leverage" cartoon spinoff? Hell, maybe even talk to Hammer and Publick about a crossover with "The Venture Bros".

babysmoke said...

As usual, you're the best! I must say...Leverage is the only TV show that I feel compelled to buy the DVD. Thanks for taking the time and effort to read through and answer the comments you get!

Trying to fill the void left by Leverage with eps of Warehouse 13 and other shows. But it's not the same!!!

Again, THANK YOU!!

Sammie323 said...

Thanks for taking the time to answer all the questions.

But the teasing about the upcoming episodes is cruel :)

Unknown said...

Now, I don't want to invalidate thingswithwings response. it was honest, and I didn't find it overly extreme, just a mischracterization. But at the same time, I'm not going to censor my own response or intent.

Kate Nepveu said...

How many people in Crime World do you think crossed Sophie Devereaux and got away with it? She holds a grudge.

Ooooh.

Any chance that will come up as plot when she comes back?

alikitty619 said...

THanks for the snark-love. Always nice to read the post game. Still wondering about 1) If you are going to be part of #ConCon. 2) If there is going to be official #leverage gear. 3) Where can I send you your new damn shirt.....

@alikitty619

Unknown said...

Thank you so much for taking the time to respond. And I certainly hope that you and the crew can throw Con-con in Portland (the Leverage convention.)

Denita said...

Thank you for taking the time to read through our comments and questions and for giving us insite into the way y'all break down episodes. I must admit that I find these Q & A's (not to mention the twittering) as entertaining as Leverage itself.

RE:Eliot/Sister Kickass Oh hell yeah. And during parts of it.

THANK YOU. That kinda makes up for the video thing. :)

Sammie323 said...

we're working very hard to cook up some bonus material to tide the fans over until Leverage 2.5 begins in January.

After seeing Nate's suits in The Lost Heir Job, I'd love to know more about the show's costume designer!

Christina Lollobrigida said...

Wow! That was a lot to read, and thank you so much for actually writing it all! Thanks for the heads up on the 'trigger' topic too, though I did find it really interesting to see that you pick up on the L&O:RAPE like I often do.

Also I'd like to remark on this as well :

@Anonymous: I love Leverage, and wanted to introduce the show to a hearing disabled friend. I was surprised and disappointed there's not captioning/English subtitles on the dvds. Is there a reason for this? Can we get them on the next season?

What? Seriously? I'll check on that.


There are no subtitles, and no PLAY ALL feature, which I need so very severely. I don't want to have to go to the menu and select the episode each time. I want to just plow through the disc. I want to watch with commentary and use subtitles so I can at least read what you guys are talking about.

That's all. Thanks for all you do, and all you give us the fans.

Quentin said...

Well, if Eliot is the Midnighter, then it stands to reason that Apollo Robbins is Apollo, dun't it?

WWWeaves said...

Eliot's last name should be spelled Spenser, with an s. Like the Poet.

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Anyway, thanks for your reply. Be well! I can't wait for January.

Taellosse said...

This is more of a general Leverage comment than specifically on this episode. I just wanted to say you folks are making a great series with this show. I was originally very interested in it when you first announced the series on your blog, but, lacking cable, and having difficulties with the videos on the TNT website when they first started airing, I didn't get a chance to get into it until season 2 had already gotten well underway. Thanks to Netflix and my XBox, though, my wife and I plowed our way through all of season 1 and the first 9 eps of 2 in a couple of weeks. Now we are forced to wait for new episodes to air...*sigh*

So keep up the good work, and don't mind me as I sit in the corner, impatiently tapping my foot. ;-)

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"I just want to let you folks know, you folks who I know care about such things, that whatever you were going for with that scene did NOT work, at least for me, and hope that maybe you show-makers will acknowledge, at least to yourselves, that you messed it up and could've done better."

Why should they acknowledge or apologize and say they 'messed up' for something that only a small few have a problem with? I personally hope they don't apologize for it past 'sorry YOU found it offensive, wasn't meant that way' because I found the scene hilarious and that it worked well. I don't think they messed up in the least bit. I instantly understood what they were going for there and laughed like hell at the wood chipper.

Honestly, I love L&O and CSI as well, quite often they take their plots from actual headlines and the good guys always win in the end and the bad guys don't get away with it. Crimes and wrongs are punished. L&O has done a wonderful job in getting information out there about how sex crime isn't your fault, there are people willing to help and how certain feelings after the fact are normal and what you should/shouldn't do immediately after you were raped.I was raped when I was 19 and as horrible as it was, it didn't kill my ability to see fiction for fiction and at times find humor in sex.

You are welcome to your opinion obviously, however not agreeing with something does not mean everyone else is going to feel that way and that someone should apologize for it. A person gets offended often in life for a variety of reasons, you can't expect everyone to walk on egg shells so they don't step on your toes or apologize every time they have a different opinion on what is humorous or not. Honestly, it seems like you are the sort to get offended more than others.

You kinda come off as one of those extreme, insane, uber-feminists that see fault in everything. What did you think when Parker got sexy in the Iceman? Sophie's clothes always seem to hug her curves. What about Sister Kick ass? Nothing wrong with that either, I like to dress sexy myself. Parkers character isn't that sort so she doesn't dress that way, I doubt that some sort of statement, just the character.

Unknown said...

Okay, okay, enough of this, let's move on. Don't want things to be a target, even if I disagree with her. Not like she's a creationist, for Christ's sake.

SueN. said...

Rogers, thanks so much for doing this. For all the grief we give you (though, seriously, you had it coming with that video!), you treat us very, very well, and it's deeply appreciated.

Now, I don't know that this will ever be answered, but what are the odds we'll ever see a chess game between Nate and Eliot? And why do I feel like it would turn into a truly nasty psychological battle?

Onalee said...

Thank you for taking the time to answer all the questions and for the effort to put out such a wonderful show! Looking forward to January!

Gwendolen said...

Thank you for taking the time to answer all our questions! I'm not big into "fandom," but have not heard of any other production crews doing this sort of (non-convention) Q&A. Most especially not for EACH episode!

You're VERY AWESOME for going the extra mile. I, for one, REALLY appreciate it!

Thank you, for everything!

Unknown said...

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Evan said...

About the subtitle thing: It's true that there isn't a subtitle option on the DVD, and it would be nice if that were corrected in season 2... but, standard NTSC closed-captioning works fine. So the hearing-impaired friend should be fine as long as s/he has a TV less than 16 years old.

Unknown said...

Also, I'd like, nay I demand, more Apollo on the show and in the commentaries. He's 32 different flavors or awesome.

Scott Edwards said...

John Rogers wrote:
2.) Wil Wheaton was a girl.

My god, I've had suspicions for some time now.

But then again, all that flannel, and that pic of him fighting off Christian while holding off a cup of coffee ...

sjrSpike said...

2 things:

1-Too freakin' busy to be able to ask before this, but what was that whole 'Emily' convo between Nate and Sophie in the cemetary referring to? Seemed like the end of something started earlier, but I've re-watched several times and still can't figure it out.

2-Please, please release Season 2 more than 1 day before Season 3 starts. I managed to re-watch Season 1 and still get a small-ish nap in before Beantown Bailout this year, but no way was it fun! Better planning can fix this! Thanks.

gwangung said...

2-Please, please release Season 2 more than 1 day before Season 3 starts. I managed to re-watch Season 1 and still get a small-ish nap in before Beantown Bailout this year, but no way was it fun!

And more eps in Season 2, as well...

Maya said...
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Maya said...

Good to have it confirmed that Gina will be in all the remaining S2 eps. As long as she's in them all.

I originally thought it was more like Nate/Starke, and Sophie being the advantage, especially since Starke wanted Sophie on his team... and she was battling her own evil-self, as a poster said.

Sophie's goodbye scene made the PA's cry.

It was a very powerful scene... Actually, since Sophie is not leaving forever, Nate/Sophie fans call that scene "the almost-kiss scene". Gotta acknowledge the kiss almost happening!

I understand why she wouldn't want to call herself "Sophie" anymore but I really hope Nate and the others keep calling her that. I hope you find a way around it if possible. We got pretty attached to that name but it will be interesting to see what you come up with.

aww Can't wait for L'il Nate Ford and more of the character development for the mastermind!

And teasing season 3 already? I can't wait to see Sophie back on the team again where she belongs. I like Tara but I loooove Sophie!

Thank you for answering the questions! Oh, and I second what Kate Nepveu said. Sophie is such a fascinating character, loving every bit we learn about her and gotta say, you did a great job on the Sophie character development this season, loved all the attention you gave her. But still, hungry for more!

John Seavey said...

I'm still nowhere near caught up to the point of understanding all this (I'm enough of a Luddite to just wait for the DVD sets), but I wanted to join those who say, "Thanks for your amazing dedication and patience to sitting down and answering fan questions!" Seriously, this kind of engagement with the fan community is astonishing, and we really do appreciate it.

Matthew E said...

I've finished watching the Season 1 DVDs and am now patiently waiting for next summer (I presume) so I can start in on Season 2. (I'm in Canada.)

One thing I was pleased about was the design of the DVD case, the way the four discs are arranged so that you don't have to remove disc 1 in order to get at disc 2. It's quite user-friendly.

On this blog - and, possibly, on the DVD commentary - you've mentioned how Christian Kane's comedic abilities were a bit of a surprise to you all. Really? Did you not see the "evil hand" episode of Angel? "Charlie!"

Looking forward to Season 2.

SueN. said...

@Rogers, Please, don't encourage him.

Okay, I would love to know how that particular conversation went, when you discovered he'd removed his own stitches.

Just how badly does the Oklahoma Wild Child break your mind?

Cat Winchester said...

Thank you for taking the time to answer our questions.

Also, thank you for introducing the word "punchmeister" into my vocabulary. I likes this word very much.

And C/Katherine has my vote as Sophie's real name. It's derived from the greek name, Hekate, who was the goddess of the undeworld (well you did say people are afraid of Sophie).

Are they giving you poor, underappreciated writers a break or are you nose to the grindstone getting season 3 ready?

Tom said...

Sammie323 said: "After seeing Nate's suits in The Lost Heir Job, I'd love to know more about the show's costume designer!"

I thought those suits looked kinda familiar, from TH's days as Archie Goodwin . . . a nice character note for this particular con.

klamari said...

Thank you so much for answering everyone's questions and giving teasers!!! i love reading your (and everyone else working on the show) in between the lines perspective. and everything extra you add in your head that we don't always get to see on-screen.

Can't wait for the rest of season 2!!!

Coren said...

It's interesting that you had Stark pegged as opposite Sophie - when I saw the episode I had him pegged as opposite Nate. He felt more like a mastermind style character who has grifting abilities (much like Nate) - particularly when he formed a crew and plotted things out, including dueling another crew. Plus, his crew was doing just fine with the four they had - why bring in a fifth in a redundant role, yknow?

Also, I've taken to calling it Law and Order: Child Rape Cavalcade. I'm sure you know why.

Re: Morgues - I've seen a few on shows and some look very different. Compare, say, Homicide to NCIS (original flavor).

Emily Z. Chen said...

Thank you for your rant on Momcore. I kinda love you right now in that way that you love someone's brains.

But not in the "Braaaaains" way; 'cause see, you need 'em to keep writing this show that I love.

(oh, and that rant about LA was awesome too)

Also, is there any special place we should buy Leverage DVDs from to support you guys?

Emily Z. Chen said...

@SueN Now, I don't know that this will ever be answered, but what are the odds we'll ever see a chess game between Nate and Eliot? And why do I feel like it would turn into a truly nasty psychological battle?

I kinda fell out of my chair laughing because I'm imaging the chess match sorta like Eliot and Noa's mental fight set to Dramatic Music.

(of course when they look down, the pieces moved/disappeared because Parker passed by)

Unknown said...

Saw this mentioned on The Colbert Report last night and checked it out this morning. Wall Street is looking at running Glengarry Glendeath.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/09/06/business/06insurance.html

Truth is stranger than fiction, but sometimes fiction gets there first.

irene said...

Not sure someone's brought this up before, but have you read a new book that came out called "The Art of the Heist"? I noticed it in my local library and my Leverage fascination made me pick it up. It's a memoir by a real art thief (the guy who stole the Rembrant in Boston in broad daylight in the mid sventies). It was interesting...but also extremely creepy with insights into the personality.

I think I'll take my heists with a bit of joie de vivre and Robin Hood pulpy fun a la Leverage, but you may find it good research.

I think I'm already wearing out my Season One dvds awaiting the return of 2.5.

@Evan. Huh. I wasn't able to get the captioning working when playing my Leverage dvds (Season Two airing and on demand does it fine). It captions for other dvds though...:-/

Le Chan said...

Wow, once again, I know it's repetitious, but I love that you answer all our questions - it makes me love the show even more than you're explaining and debunking all these random thoughts and theories for us! I don't read a lot of blogs regularly but I find myself continuously checking into yours now!

That being said, I really really love how you make Leverage episodic but also with continuing storylines for character development. I started watching this show because I saw Christian Kane was in it and I like him in Angel, which started out as an episode-by-episode show, and I really enjoy everything about this series. I like how I can watch each watch each episode separately without feeling like I would be confused if I missed one (e.g. Lost, which I have given up on for now).

Will you ever do a musical episode? I know it's kind of something that's been done by a lot of different shows, but Christian Kane is a singer and I would love to see how Parker would fit into that scenario.

Also, really loved the scene where Hardison and Chaos face-off outside the vans with their wireless keyboards. Classic!

Nick Boers said...

You know, I thought Sophie took her name from dead people and Nate had figured that out and met her there at the 'real' Sophie's grave. Mind if I keep that in my own personal canon?

hodag said...

Noa and Apollo deserve their own show.

Incandescere said...

I know it seems incredibly shallow to say this, but I'm happy to hear the writers decided to go with Noa Tishby's Mikel Dayan instead of an Asian counterpart to Eliot's role on the team. IMO, it's less cliched, plus it's nice to see a woman with curves who can kick ass in an action film/tv.

I'm easily annoyed by the stick figures that constantly pop up in genre film/tv whom supposedly can take down a 200-lb. man without batting an eyelash. Not to say that those women don't exist, but the industry uses it as a crutch to showcase yet another rail-thin actress to keep the fanboys happy.

I appreciate the staff casting a woman of a different body type to play 'Sista Kickass', especially one who can believably hold her own against Eliot Spencer. I look forward to seeing Noa on the show again.

Mary Sue said...

No, Hardison's been lending her old Doc Savage books.

If there ever was a sentence more designed to cause a reformed* fanfic writer to return to her roots, I don't know what it would be.



*and by 'reformed', I mean 'out of college in the work force no time to work on my original novel let alone this, goddamnit'

woodburner said...

Interesting to learn that you originally intended on HaxorChix for Hardison to go up against - I have to say, I was thinking while I was watching that I wished the other hacker was a lady! Forget getting respect, us girl geeks are hardly even acknowledged as existing, so it would have been nice to have some representation there.

Don't get me wrong here - I'm not actually criticizing the decision to use Wil. I can see how you all, being geeks yourselves, would have been like, "!!! OMG GUYS, WE MUST USE HIM." However, I hope you'll save the HaxorChix for a future episode. (Maybe pwning Chaos's ass, that would be nice. :D)

Murasaki_1966 said...

For future reference, Glinda is the Good Witch of the South in The Wizard of Oz books. In the movie, she is the Good Witch of the North (see the Wikipedia entry). Obviously Hardison is an Oz fan.

bourgon said...

John, I _love_ listening to you geek out. Wold Newton... Eccleston... TARDIS... SHIELD... UNCLE... gesture macros... UWB...

The first time I read your blog you mentioned Doctor Who, Doc Savage, Shadowrun, and It Takes a Thief within a paragraph. Massive man-crush. Please keep being an awesome tv-writing nerd.

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Unknown said...

Berapa Harga untuk Obat Wasir Ambeien alami daun ungu AmbeclearAmbeien adalah gangguan atau penyakit yang terjadi pada saluran pencernaan manusia

Pengobatan Ambeien Wasir said...

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Unknown said...

Bukan hanya pengobatan medis saja tapi ada juga pengobatan rumah alami yang dapat digunakan untuk menyingkirkan penyakit kutil kelamin ini. Intinya, karena kutil ini muncul di daerah yang sensitif, maka anda harus mencari pengobatan yang terbaik pada kulit Anda dan jika diperlukan juga dibantu dengan tenaga medis yang professional. Sebab dokter akan menjadi sumber informasi yang baik untuk mengobati penyakit ini.

Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

ayo belajar berhitung 1

Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

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Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

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obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Unknown said...

Cara yang sering di lakukan untuk menghilangkan kutil kelamin adalah dengan cara pembedahah atau operasi, cara ini tentu memerlukan dana yang tidak sedikit. metode Pilihan pembedahan yang dapat Anda lakukan

Unknown said...

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Pengobatan Ambeien Wasir said...

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kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... *************************

Unknown said...

Kadang disertai
dengan sakit saat kencing, perih, organ intim terasa panas menyiksa,
gatal,..

Unknown said...

kenapa keputihan tidak normal dan mengeluarkan nanah obat kutil herbal di kemaluan cara menghilangkan kutil kemaluan secara alami tips menghindari kutil kelamin tips menghilangkan kencing nanah cara mengobati kelamin keluar nanah obat alam tradisional kencing bernanah obat kutil di kemaluan pria obat kemaluan keluar nanah Obat Ambeien Ampuh Tradisional Resep Obat Wasir obat alami untuk gejala wasir Mengobati Wasir Secara Alami Obat ampuh atasi wasir Obat herbal efektif menyembuhkan wasir Obat untuk kelamin laki laki keluar cairan nanah Obat kemaluan keluar nanah atau gonore Obat cairan nanah keluar dari alat kelamin Mengapa kencing sakit dan keluar cairan nanah Mengapa kencing perih dan keluar nanah Mengapa nanah keluar dari kelamin Obat untuk kutil di sekitar bibir vagina Obat kencing nanah manjur menghilangkan benjolan kutil di vagina wanita

Unknown said...

Sekitar Vagina Tumbuh Daging, Berbahayakah? Kutil Pada Kepala Penis mirip bunga kol atau jengger ayam, Merupakan Penyakit Yang diakibatkan Oleh Virus.Kutil kelamin, atau disebut juga condyloma acuminata, adalah kutil atau daging berwarna kulit atau keabuan yang tumbuh di sekitar alat kelamin dan

obar herbal manjur alami said...

Bismillahirrohmannirrokhim ..................

obar herbal manjur alami said...

Bismillahirrohmannirrokhim ........................

Unknown said...

Obat Ambeien Resep Dokter Ambeclear dari De Nature Ampuh Tuntaskan Ambeien Sampai Tuntas

Cara Mengobati Wasir Ambeien said...

Bismillahirrohmannirrokhim ........................

Unknown said...

Ambeien bisa mengeluarkan darah(seperti invander salim yang terkena ambeien dan mengeluarkan darah)

Unknown said...

Sebelum kita membahas tentang pengobatan ambeien, dalam kesempatan ini
saya ingin menjelaskan sekilas tentang ambeien, agar kita semua bisa
memahami benar apa itu penyakit ambeien

Unknown said...

obat wasir, Adalah  Obat alami berkhasiat dalam bentuk kapsul yang berasal dari tanaman herbal seperti daun ungu, mahkota dewa dan kunyit putih, diberikan pada penderita jika penyakit masih dalam tingkatan stadium ringan

kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

Bismillahirrohmannirrokhim ......................................

obar herbal manjur alami said...

Bismillahhirrohmaanirrokhim.... ************************************

obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Unknown said...

MANTAB???????????????????????????????

Reseller De Nature said...

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kLINIK oBAT mANJUR said...

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Obat Keputihan Herbal Alami said...

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Unknown said...

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obar herbal manjur alami said...

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Anonymous said...

Wasir atau dikenal juga dengan ambeien merupakan salah satu jenis penyakit

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Anonymous said...

yang sangat mengganggu. Ambeien atau wasir ini muncul..

Unknown said...

 Apabila menemukan ada daging atau seperti Kutil yang tumbuh di area kemaluan atau alat ...

Anonymous said...

Cara herbal mengatasi kutil kelamin secara ampuh hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249. pertumbuhan kutil kelamin lebih sering terjadi dalam kelompok dan dapat terakumulasi menjadi ukuran yang lebih besar pada jaringan genital. Kutil juga sering kembali muncul setelah pengobatan, hal-hal itu tergantung pada faktor-faktor, seperti ukuran dan lokasi tempat pertumbuhan kutil. Untuk menyembuhkan penyakit kutil ini dapat diberlakukan dalam beberapa cara.
Sedangkan penundaan berkepanjangan untuk mengobati penyakit ini dapat menyebabkan kutil semakin berakar dalam, anda juga perlu tahu bahwa setiap kutil itu sangat menular. Gejala yang dialami penderita mungkin terdiri dari beberapa letupan, dan jika penyakit ini tidak di obati untuk waktu yang lama maka ada kemungkinan kutil tersebut tidak merespon pengobatan oral atau topical, maka salah satunya jalan adalah melalui operasi. Maka mengetahui betapa rumitnya pengobatan penyakit ini seharusnya menerbitkan kesimpulan penting pada diri kita untuk mendapatkan perawatan infeksi genital secara dini, karena penyakit ini sangat menular dan mungkin anda dapat menyebarkan infeksi kepada orang lain.
Karena banyak penderita yang malu terlibat dalam pembicaraan tentang penyakit kutil kelamin HPV ini, maka mayoritas penderita kutil kelamin laki-laki dan perempuan biasanya tidak tahu apa jenis perawatan tepat yang dapat digunakan untuk kutil tersebut, khususnya pengobatan yang dapat digunakan secara privasi rumah mereka. Selain itu juga diketahui bahwa apapun jenis pengobatan yang dicoba oleh setiap penderita penyakit ini, belum ada yang benar-benar ampuh untuk menyembuhkan penderita sampai semua virus penyakitnya hilang.

Anonymous said...

Pengobatan herbal dengan menggunakan obat ampuh yang sudah terbukti khasiatnya de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit kutil kelamin yang terjadi selama masa kehamilan dapat menjadi sumber keprihatinan paling utama bagi ibu hamil. Ada kemungkinan juga bahwa kutil kelamin selama kehamilan dapat diteruskan kepada bayi. Dan pilihan Pengobatan kutil kelamin untuk wanita hamil berbeda daripada yang tersedia untuk perempuan lain.
Jika seorang wanita yang sedang hamil mengalami penyakit ini juga merasakan gejala yang lebih buruk. Hal ini utamanya dikarenakan sistem kekebalan tubuh penderita secara alami ditekan selama masa kehamilan ini, hingga membuat penderita lebih rentan terhadan virus dan infeksi. Akibatnya penderita mungkin menemukan bahwa kutilnya akan tumbuh lebih besar.
Yang menjadi penyebab utamanya adalah human papillomavirus (HPV). Tapi mayoritas wanita hamil dengan riwayat HPV memiliki kehamilan yang sehat dan pengalaman melahirkan. Tapi yang paling ditakutkan karena virus ini dapat ditularkan sehingga penderita beresiko mengidapn kutil kelamin, dan wanita hamil yang mengalami penyakit ini bisa juga mengalami gangguan pada proses kehamilanya.

Anonymous said...

sudah terbukti ampuh obat dari kami untuk merontokan kutil kelamin dengan cara memakai obat herbal dari de Nature Indonesia hubungi 28fe5a8b/081310563770/085846940249. Penyakit Kutil kelamin adalah salah satu dari dua penyakit menular seksual yang paling sering menular, dan disebabkan oleh virus. Penyakit satunya lagi adalah herpes genital. Penyakit ini disebabkan oleh virus papiloma manusia sering disingkat sebagai HPV.
Penyakit kutil seperti luka yang muncul ini juga disebut dengan nama kondiloma acuminate. Kutil tumbuh dengan ukuran kecil, tampak seperti daging berwarna di daerah genital dan anal. Dan penelitian menunjukkan bahwa 10-40% wanita yang aktif secara seksual terinfeksi HPV, meskipun kehadiran HPV ini pada penderita tidak selalu disertai dengan munculnya kutil kelamin.
Jalur Penyebaran Kutil Kelamin
Kutil kelamin menyebar melalui kontak langsung dengan orang yang terinfeksi, seperti melalui vagina, anal, atau oral seks. Sekitar enam puluh persen orang yang melakukan kontak seksual dengan penderita kutil kelamin akan mengalami gejala, dan biasanya itu terjadi dalam waktu tiga bulan semenjak
hubungan intim.
Virus papiloma masuk melalui lecet atau luka kecil di area kelamin yang terjadi selama aktivitas seksual. Setelah virus ini masuk, biasanya dibutuhkan sekitar tiga bulan untuk gejala pertama muncul, tetapi bisa juga memakan waktu lebih lama hingga bertahun-tahun.

Anonymous said...

Untuk menemukan jenis pengobatan kutil kelamin yang benar-benar ampuh, kita tentunya harus melakukan hal yang sama oleh banyak orang pada umumnya. Dimulai dengan mencari ke berbagai toko obat untuk menemukan berbagai jenis obat itu yang bisa dalam bentuk krim, salep, atau beberapa jenis cairan lain yang diterapkan pada kulit penderita yang terkena. Jika pilihan medis yang dipilih, maka penderita akan mendapatkan pengobatan topical medis. Tapi penderita juga terkadang tidak memahami betul tentang penyakit ini, hanya tahu bahwa penyakit ini sudah membuat mereka tidak nyaman dan ingin secepatnya hilang dari kulit mereka. Tapi jika berbagai usaha kita untuk menemukan pengobatan ini ternyata tidak memberikan hasil yang memuaskan maka keputusan selanjutnya yang dipilih sebelum terlambat adalah segera memeriksakan diri ke dokter supaya bisa langsung menerima pengobatan dengan resep yang terkontrol. Biasanya pada saat itulah pasien akhirnya tahu bahwa yang menjadi penyebab penyakitnya ini adalah virus Human Papilloma Virus (HPV) dan nama penyakit ini juga dikenal dengan penyakit kondiloma acuminatum. Virus tersebut masuk ke dalam tubuh penderita melalui hubungan seksual dan obat yang biasanya akan diberikan dokter adalah obat topical kulit.

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

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Unknown said...

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Unknown said...

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Anonymous said...

Jika Anda mengidap kutil kelamin, tentunya penghapusan kutil kelamin ini adalah apa yang ada di pikiran Anda sepanjang hari. Kutil juga tidak berbahaya bagi kesehatan Anda sehingga pengobatanya adalah pilihan anda sendiri, apakah ingin obat kutil kelamin atau tidak. Bahkan sebagian ahli medis yang melihat penyakit anda ini belum sebegitu parah hanya menyarankan supaya anda membiarkan penyakit ini akan hilang dengan sendirinya. Tapi jika kita perduli dengan kesehatan tentunya akan berpikir untuk segera mengetahui cara mengobati kutil kelamin menghilangkan penyakit ini jika sudah menginfeksi tubuh kita, ciri kutil kelamin yang berbahaya. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249

Anonymous said...

Mengalami penyakit kelamin tentunya adalah hal paling memalukan yang dialami seseorang, terutama penyakit herpes dan kutil kelamin. Alasan sederhana sehingga penyakit ini terjadi adalah karena melibatkan alat kelamin tentunya. Sejak zaman kuno, berbicara tentang alat kelamin seseorang sudah dianggap sebagai salah satu mata pelajaran yang paling terlarang untuk dibicarakan. Bahkan di masa sekarang, berbicara tentang genital herpes adalah sangat memalukan. Karena itu juga maka banyak penderita yang terinfeksi, tidak memiliki keberanian untuk memberitahu dokter atau orang lain mengenai penyakitnya ini. Sebagian besar fakta mengenai bagaimana cara untuk mengobati kutil kelamin dan herpes juga belum diketahui hingga sekarang. Dalam situasi ini, akhirnya sangat sulit bagi orang yang terinfeksi untuk mencari obat kutil kelamin yang tepat dalam rangka menyembuhkan kutil kelamin supaya tidak terus menyebar. cara mengobati kutil kelamin, Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249

Anonymous said...

Kutil kelamin adalah penyakit yang sangat umum, dan bisa mempengaruhi lebih dari 5 juta pria, wanita dan anak-anak, seperti setiap tahun yang terjadi di Amerika Serikat. Penyakit ini memang jarang terjadi pada wanita yang sedang hamil, karena banyak penderita wanita yang mengalami penyakit ini setelah melahirkan. Tapi yang sangat disayangkan jika penyakit ini terjadi pada saat wanita sedang hamil tapi dia tidak pernah menyadari hal itu, dengan begitu maka akan ada kemungkinan penyakit akan terus berkembang menjadi lebih parah, satu-satunya jalan terbaik adalah dengan melakukan check up secara rutin, dan mencari penyebab kutil kelamin tersebut. Jual obat herbal kutil kelamin de nature indonesia Izin Ikot DINKES RI No 4420060 V 2 hubungi 28fe5a8b 081310563770 085846940249
Yang menjadi penyebab penyakit ini adalah Virus papiloma manusia (HPV) yang bisa menyerang siapa saja tanpa pandang bulu, termasuk wanita hamil. Dan obat kutil kelamin mungkin sulit untuk di temukan di apotik di daerah anda. Dan sesungguhnya wanita hamil memiliki resiko yang lebih besar jika terkena penyakit ini karena dapat mempengaruhi pertumbuhan janin yang sedang dikandungnya. Segera cari tahu apa ciri kutil kelamin tersebut. Tapi jangan khawatir karena di jaman sekarang ini, pengobatan kutil kelamin sudah dikenal secara meluas, intinya anda harus segera menghubungi dokter terdekat jika sudah terkena penyakit ini.

Anonymous said...

Ada banyak metode pengobatan yang dapat anda coba cara mengobati kutil kelamin, secara umum metode pengobatan tersebut adalah meliputi tindakan medis atau juga dengan obat alternative yang lebih mendasari pengobatan dengan bahan-bahan herbal. Namun satu hal yang juga harus disadari dari ciri kutil kelaimin pengobatan penyakit ini adalah pada umumnya penyembuhan hanya untuk menghilangkan kutilnya saja, sedangkan virus yang menjadi penyebab kutil kelamin belum tentu hilang. Karena itu juga hingga akhirnya penyakit ini sering berulang atau kambuh kembali. Tapi anda jangan kuatir karena ahli kesehatan terus berupaya untuk menemukan obat herbal kutil kelamin pengobatan yang ampuh, pengobatan yang ada sekarang setidaknya juga dapat meredakan gejala yang dialami penderita. Hanya saja obat medis yang selama ini dikenal efektif untuk menyembuhkan penyakit ini memerlukan biaya yang mahal selain efek samping yang juga bisa terjadi jika pilihan pengobatan jatuh pada metode khusus untuk penyakit kutil kelamin yang sudah parah.

Anonymous said...

Salah satu cara yang dilakukan oleh praktisi medis untuk mendiagnosis kutil kelamin adalah dengan pemeriksaan visual langsung. Dan metode ini merupakan salah satu cara medis umum untuk menguji pasien wanita dengan penyebab kutil kelamin, infeksi HPV atau kemungkinan kanker serviks. Khusus untu pemeriksaan serviks dilakukan dengan menggunakan Pap smear test. Tes ini merupakan pemeriksaan menyeluruh dan mendetail dari sel serviks uterus yang dikorek. Jika praktisi medis mendeteksi adanya kelainan pada hasil tes, mereka mengirim pasien untuk pemeriksaan lebih lanjut untuk menentukan penyebab pasti dan sifat dari kelainan.

Pemeriksaan fisik untuk ciri kutil kelamin diagnosis kutil kelamin melibatkan pemeriksaan menyeluruh dari daerah pinggul dan paha. Kutil ini juga dapat berkembang di mulut atau tenggorokan, namun kasus seperti itu jarang. Dengan mata telanjang kita bisa melihat kutil tersebut muncul dan mengangkat berupa benjolan datar pada kulit. Ukuran kutil juga mungkin lebih besar atau kecil yang bertumbuh secara berkelompok atau individual. Terkadang bentuk dari obat kutil kelamin ini adalah menyerupai kembang kol, dan yang paling khas ada titik-titik kutil pada kulit organ kelamin.
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Anonymous said...

Jika penyakit kutil kelamin yang sedang anda derita sudah termasuk sangat parah, maka tindakan selanjutnya yang harus dilakukan adalah mencari obat kutil kelamin. Ada beberapa cara yang dapat dilakukan, diantaranya adalah dengan metode konvensional menggunakan krim oles atau salep kutil kelamin, atau dapat juga penderita beralih ke obat resep dokter ketika mereka menemukan bahwa hasil metode konvensional ini kurang efektif. Khusus untuk pengobatan medis, biasanya metode ekstrem yang digunakan jika penyakit yang dialami penderita sudah semakin parah. Diantara beberapa metode pengobatan ekstrem tersebut adalah menggunakan CO2 atau operasi laser, di mana dokter akan menggunakan laser untuk membakar penyebab kutil kelamin. Metode pengobatan ini juga bisa sangat mahal, memakan waktu, dan menyakitkan atau cukup menakutkan. Metode pengobatan lainya yang adalah cryotherapy. Metode pengobatan ini melibatkan nitrogen cair untuk kutil yang akan membekukan kutil dari kulit. Lalu ada metode pengobatan Loop Electrosurgical Prosedur eksisi (LEEP), yang memanfaatkan alat berbilah berupa pisau yang berbentuk lingkaran. Alat ini dilewatkan sekitar dan di bawah setiap kutil untuk diangkat dari kulit. Tidak berbeda dengan metode pengobatan laser, metode pengobatan ini juga tergolong mahal. Selain itu belum ada jaminan bahwa obat mahal medis ini memang dapat menyembuhkan kutil kelamin secara tuntas, perlu kita ketahui bahwa kutil kelamin adalah penyakit yang sukar disembuhkan karena virus HPV yang menjadi penyebabnya sukar juga dihilangkan. Banyak pengobatan yang ada di jaman sekarang hanya dapat menghilangkan kutil, tapi tidak dengan virus penyebabnya.

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